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Suhiir January 4th, 2010 03:01 PM
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Thought designed to be supposedly air dropable not helo transportable weight something like 17 tons
They were intended to be air dropable.
I know they've done tests dumping them out of aircraft but to the best of my knowledge it's never been done outside of the tests.
I do believe there are a FEW civilian heavy lift helos (used for construction) that could pick one up, but nothing in the military inventory can.
You're right, air droppable, not helo liftable. But FYI, the CH-53E Super Stallion can lift 17.8 tons:

http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/ch53.htm
I suppose they could fuel and load ammo in them after they're lifted someplace :D

Imp January 4th, 2010 07:01 PM
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I do believe there are a FEW civilian heavy lift helos (used for construction) that could pick one up, but nothing in the military inventory can
Off topic but always wondered how they get the crane out once they have built the building round it, is this the solution?

Suhiir January 4th, 2010 11:30 PM
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I do believe there are a FEW civilian heavy lift helos (used for construction) that could pick one up, but nothing in the military inventory can
Off topic but always wondered how they get the crane out once they have built the building round it, is this the solution?
Nope, the cranes are modular, they just disassemble them.

Wdll January 5th, 2010 09:32 AM
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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...r-lifting-tank

But, as I have now been informed, I didn't see any tanks being lifted (although I know the Sheridan was designed specifically for this purpose)

Thanks for setting me straight!
The "tank" in the photo looks like a light armoured scout vehicle similar to the Daimler Armoured Car or something of equal size. Not a MBT or tank in general.

EJ January 5th, 2010 03:35 PM
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Wdll,
I clicked on that link showing the vehicle being helo lifted. The link must be broken because it won't show the picture....

Wdll January 5th, 2010 05:26 PM
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It shows fine to me, but uses flash to show.

Here, I will upload it here to have a look.

Marcello January 10th, 2010 04:00 AM
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I do believe there are a FEW civilian heavy lift helos (used for construction) that could pick one up, but nothing in the military inventory can.
The Mi-26 can carry 20 tons, even a bit more in a pinch.

Suhiir January 11th, 2010 12:31 PM
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I do believe there are a FEW civilian heavy lift helos (used for construction) that could pick one up, but nothing in the military inventory can.
The Mi-26 can carry 20 tons, even a bit more in a pinch.
While 20 tons would allow it to move most APC/IFV's I can't think of a single "real" tank that weighs in at less then about 40-45 tons. And since the discussion was about helo lifting tanks...

Marcello January 12th, 2010 11:55 AM
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While 20 tons would allow it to move most APC/IFV's I can't think of a single "real" tank that weighs in at less then about 40-45 tons. And since the discussion was about helo lifting tanks...
I was referring to Sheridan which at 17-18 tons is within the Mi-26 carry capacity.
A full blown MBT is of course out of the question. A Mi-12 (the record holder at 40 tons) might have managed to lift a early T-64 (38 tons give or take) but it would not have got very far in all likelyhood and it was not mass produced.

Kartoffel January 12th, 2010 07:53 PM
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Here it is next to a Mig-29 for comparison:

-Link-

That thing looks like a commerial airliner with helicopter blades!

thatguy96 January 12th, 2010 09:08 PM
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The "tank" in the photo looks like a light armoured scout vehicle similar to the Daimler Armoured Car or something of equal size. Not a MBT or tank in general.
I've seen this picture in a book I have. No one seems to know the story behind it. Its an M56 Scorpion chassis with an M40 106mm recoilless rifle.

Suhiir January 13th, 2010 12:17 PM
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Sorta looked like an M50 Ontos to me.

Imp January 13th, 2010 12:19 PM
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Sorta looked like an M50 Ontos to me.
My thoughts to but a bit short on RCLs

Suhiir January 13th, 2010 12:44 PM
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Two of the six were made to be easily detached, and any of the others could be removed in minutes with a wrench.

And I know M50's were regularly moved by CH-53's and CH-46's during Vietnam.

I suppose the vehicle in the photo might be one someone had gotten and was using for some helo transport tests.
What's the make/model of the helo in the photo? Seems to be an HR2S-1 Mojave, those were used during the 1959-1966 period, an the M50 Ontos was used between 1956-1969...so maybe...

Only a civilian would mistake an Ontos for a tank tho *laughs*

thatguy96 January 13th, 2010 08:05 PM
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The larger version I have pretty much rules out the Ontos. There's no superstructure like the Ontos has. The M40 is also held in place with a barrel clamp, which looks more likely to have been held over from the gun on the M56.

Suhiir January 13th, 2010 08:26 PM
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The larger version I have pretty much rules out the Ontos. There's no superstructure like the Ontos has. The M40 is also held in place with a barrel clamp, which looks more likely to have been held over from the gun on the M56.
Looking at it more closely (with the aid of magnification) I'm pretty sure that is, in fact, an M56.
You can see part of the gunshield.


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