Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Yeah, well my planned trip got put on hold due to weather delays.

I don't think I'll need a delay at all at this point, but if we are turning out 1+ turn per 24h even with the longer time can we just leave it like that?

I guess when I get the call I'm going to have to go, and while at this point it shouldn't be an overnight job I just don't know.

Anyway, thanks for accommodating me, even if it turns out I didn't need it :)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Hey, I'd like to say guys of the games I'm playing, this has been my favorite because of the quick turn arounds - so thank you.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

yep, the fast turn speed makes it so much more enjoyable

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Hrm.

I have encounted what I'm fairly sure is a very significant bug, which materially affects playability.

I have forwarded a copy to illwinter, and will discuss what to do with the game admin as well.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Bummer, hope it gets worked out for you.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Sigh, as expected I got bit by the bug.
Expect an update from Starshine.

But what I expect to happen is to rollback the turn, make as minimal changes as possible, and see if it self resolves.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

It is now 8 hours until hosting, and I haven't heard from Star.

Which means I am at risk of staling.

I will stick around for a little bit, in hopes this gets resolved, as was promised. If not best wishes!

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

i'm happy to restart this one ;)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Well I haven't seen Star - and I 've had no action. He had said he would reset the turn.

But I haven't seen hide nor hair of him. Since I don't think the turn will count - I'm gifting all my gems and money to one player. And I hope he shows up soon.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I sincerely apologize for not showing up last night, but I was a bit busy. The current turn has been rolled back as of this moment. Quickhost has also been turned off in case we encounter any other problems.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

What was the bug, anyway?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

So we're on turn 10 now. Is everything back to normal, safe to submit turns?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Should *not* submit turns.

According to llamabeast, if you don't submit turns, the same .2h file that was originally submitted will be used - which is what we were going for.

Once the turn 10 processes, everyone should submit for 11 normally

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Ok, I will 'resubmit' turn 11.

Unfortunately I did gain some minor knowledge from looking at turn 12, but I'll resubmit as close as I can to the same anyway.

I did get minorly screwed on the rollback, but meh, not a big deal to me :)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Due to recent increase of Armageddon usage in many games, at least the ones I'm playing, I was wondering could we have a vote on this? Allowed or not?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I don't see why Armageddon would be banned before the other world altering spells such as utterdark, astral corruption or burden of time...
It's as "end-game" as you get, it's very unlikely to disrupt normal play any more than the above globals.

But what I really wanted to say with this post is:
The turn-file I'm getting for turn 13 is corrupt.
A resend didn't fix it.
Perhaps the turn should be rehosted?
Does anyone else have issues opening their file?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Try deleting all the files in your game folder (for this game...) and then putting in the .trn file and see if that clears it up.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Didn't help, sadly.
Tried a variety of other recourses such as deleting the temporary Internet files folder but nothing has worked yet.

I'll post here, of course, if I find a solution on my own though have tried everything I could immediately think of.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

The treacherous demons of Lanka have stabbed us in the back after signing a NAP. So be it we will cleanse the world of your filth. Let this be a warning to other nations not to trust Lanka in any way.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Hey red,

First, what turn is corrupt,

Is it your outgoing turn 12, your incoming turn - when do you get the error (more specifically).

Did you delete your .2h's as advised in the email on the rollback. This is the biggest cause. Even if *everything* was exactly identical, it is possible for another nation to get the same unit id as you.. hence ... corruption.

If thats not it, the second most common cure, is to delete dominions and reinstall it completely.

If niether of those worked....then we either drop back a turn and punt or send it to illwinter.

pls advise.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Well, being a human race, I am likely to be hosed by armageddon.

However, that being said, I am opposed to changing conditions on people after the start of the game. Perhaps someone was planning on dealing with blood nations by casting armageddon. (And we havea couple of them in our game)..


I don't think we should even vote on it. Asking someone to vote against it is like saying.. yes I plan on casting armageddon. Sorta paints a bulls eye on ya.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Quote:
It's as "end-game" as you get, it's very unlikely to disrupt normal play any more than the above globals.
Don't take this the wrong way but until you've been in a game where 10 armageddons have been cast you can't really claim that.
10 armageddons kill about 95% of the population, EVERYWHERE. While utherdark or something alike only affect the game for as long as they are present.
I'm fine with it, I've made a "in case of Armageddon strategy" but that will pretty much kill the game, trust me.
That comes from someone who is in a game where multiple Armageddons have been cast, along with AN, Illwinter and AC soon.
Now imagine is someone casts Armageddon and after that someone else casts AC. No more income=no troops, AC= gem usage down to a minimum.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

The turnfile for turn 13, which was just sent out from Llamaserver.

The 2h I had in my folder when opening the rolled back turn 11 was for turn 12, unless something is bugged you can't open a 2h. from a different turn with your turn :shock:

My Dominion discs are in another locale, so I couldn't try reinstalling until next weekend...

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I am moving to another city on tuesday, so I might have to stall one or two turns. If I stall more that, maybe I have a problem getting an internet connection quickly and should be replaced (I hope it won't come to that though :))

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

We can delay the turn for you as long as you need. How long do you expect not to be able to submit?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

In fact it has been "preponed" to tomorrow, monday, and I should have internet the same day if all goes well, so don't mind me, I should at most stall one turn, thank for proposing though :)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I've got nothing against a longer turn time so that you don't have to stale.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I have already sent back the turn 14 and I'm moving in a few hours (GMT +8) so it should be ok. Thanks though :)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Um guys, I think we have a bigger problem that dark kitty...
Redeyes, you needed to delete the .2h file per the rollback instructions.

At this point, I would delte the game folder (solar) recreate it, and download the turn into it.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

A three turn NAP. I didn't mean to attack you before it was up, but I guess I got confused by this turn rollback stuff.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Unless worded specifically otherwise a 3 turn NAP typically means that you have to give 3 turns notice before attacking an enemy, as opposed to being able to attack 3 turns after signing the treaty. It can be confusing at first, but it is the normal convention in MP games

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Fomoria has staled for 3 consecutive turns, I recommend sub/AI as soon as possible

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

:doh: I feel stupid. Sorry about that Arco. Too late to turn back now though.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Yes perhaps i should have made the wording more clear, as i assumed a conventional NAP but forgot i was playing with other inexperienced players...Oh well, now we fight to the death, all in good fun. Good Luck! (but not too good)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Yes, we should pause to figure this out, early game stales like that are just too big an advantage for the neighbors.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

This was what I've been saying.... perhaps I should have said STOP!!! LOL

He has been complaining about corrupted turn file since 13, and asked for a pause and or rollback.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I reinstalled and can now enter the game again.

Seems I have lost 4 provinces and that I am under siege in two places.
I'll set myself to AI, that way less free stuff is handed out.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

nice to see the vultures descend so rapidly when someone has comptuer troubles... which nations attacked redeyes?

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

The ones I was at war with, really, and the provinces I lost I stole earlier ;)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

ah ok, fair enough then. Sorry you had to leave the game, hope the enxt one works out better!

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I border Formoria and specifically did *not* attack him, due to the computer bugs.

I have been trying to get the game paused to fix the problem of him having corrupted files. I would be willing to roll it back. I personally hate it when a player is knocked out for computer reasons.

Red eyes did post that he could not open the game immediately after he had the problem.

I'll leave it up to starshine, but having been the recipient of the game being fixed my vote would be to extend the same courtesy.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

ow many turns is it, 4 or 5? :( that's a difficult rollback. Agree though that it sucks for redeyes. DOn't know what is best, up to starshine really

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I would be willing to do a rollback, as it sucks to have computer troubles.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

It seems this game has just been riddled with troubles from day one. I will roll back as many turns as people need to keep the game rolling as smoothly as I can.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I'm actually amazed that no one has spoken against it, and redeyes would like to continue in the game, that we just roll it back.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

You seem to underestimate the general niceness of this community, or at the very least this group of players.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

so what does this mean exactly.. if we roll back are we honour bound to act as before? what happens to treaties made in the turns since then? I'm not trying to be obtuse, just have never come across a rollback of so many turns

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I am moderately against a roll back of that magnitude, but will not balk if it happens.

It doesn't really have anything to do with my position or events (or lack thereof), just that 4 turns is alot of knowledge to use differently.

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

I also very much hate a rollback, not to mention a couple of them a few times, but I am willing to rollback for the sake of Redeyes.
Just please, no more after this! :)

Re: Sol - CBM EA Game on Llamaserver: Running
 

Dragar, I agree completely - and I don't think you're being obtuse at all. I do think on a rollback of this size we should talk about what we expect.

The rollback presents a storm of issues for example, our agreements.

I generally don't think that players could redo their exact actions even if they remembered them; I don't think its reasonable to expect them to *not* use prior knowledge. I'd expect everyone to make their best efforts.

So, for example in our instance - I don't mind you making a beeline for that specific province, and I think you should. Hopefully we will be smart enough to talk to each other so we don't collide =).

And yes, I'd like to say again, I am impressed with the sportsmanship of this group and community.

Again, we haven't heard from RedEyes. Personally, I hope he does choose to continue (so I can beat him in person). If he doesn't then, I'd say game on =).