Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

Heh, this is getting funyn :) Always interesting how people fail to understand basic chance calculation :) Just for the record, I am not a mathematician, I am a pharmacist, but that hasn't stopped me from being able to figure out how to calculate probabilities; probabilities are after all quite simple if you think about for more than three seconds :)

Heh mate :) It never did cross your mind that my above post per chance (sic) was a joke? All those smilies might have been a give away, you know ;) Perhaps *you* should lighten up a bit, and not believe everybody are dead serious all the time; it is after all about a *game* :) Still, when people talk about bananas and somebody walks in and trumps the discussion with "But apples are always red!", it does leave one a bit baffled.

No offense meant, of course :)

The joke here is that nobody claimed a 79% chance of *somebody* not showing up. You *are* actually missing the point, are you not? :)

The point, I believe, was that it is practically 99% certain each individual will show up. You know, one might get run over by a car, the computer might fry, etc. Nobody can be 100% sure they will even wake up tomorrow. The ~79% chance thus derivated has no hard evidence behind it, but it is based on the fact that nothing is certain in life; lets give the unforseen a 1% chance. As a matter of fact, in human sciences it is customary to give that 1% chance for unforeseen phukk-ups per individual, because life has proven it *is* true: There is always about 1% chance something phukks up in an unforeseen way when you are dealing with humans :)

Thus the derived 21% (which I still think is a very clever gig from Cleveland, my hat is off in respect!) chance is not the chance that *one* player fails to appear (as you seem to be believe), it is the chance that one *or more* players wouldn't make it. It would be very bold indeed to assume people who sign up to not make it in 79% of the cases; in fact, if that was true, basically no MP games ever would launch :eek:


It would be interesting to calculate the chance for one or more people failing to comprehend this post and getting angry. But given human nature, it is practically guaranteed somebody will not understand and get angry ;) :p I believe I have now pissed off enough people (always a smart move to piss off people right before you start a game where diplomatic skills are needed... :doh:).


To Incabulous: If you want a better than 50% chance the answer is 23 :)

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

Never once did cross my mind. Dang, now I feel like an idiot. To me it just sounded like you were making fun of them.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

If we have a couple days to post pretenders, then were the game at. Because I ain't seeing no 'Magellan'

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

Pretender all set and ready to go..just need a place to send it too.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

Right. I'm home now, haven't yet gotten around to uploading everything to llamaserver. I have a conference call in a few hours that I have to prepare for...I'll set it up during the con call. It's not like anything will actually be accomplished during the con call, whose sole purpose is to ensure all members have prepared for the con call, and are sober enough to operate a telephone. After that, you're free to zone out. :D

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!
 

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Magellan

:up:

So if you're new to llamaserver, have no fear, it's very simple to join the game. First, install the 2 mods linked through the above link (i.e. CBM 1.41 and Standards & Streamers). Then activate them. Then design your pretender using the Dom3 pretender creation tool. Then follow llamaserver's FAQs:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

I guess we now need to Re-Patch to 3.23b before we start.

They said it was on the main Dom page but I didn't see it, if we could get someone to put a link in here it would surely speed up the start and cut down on the confusion.:confused:

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

Yeah it's on this page in the lower right: http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwint...DOM3_page.html

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

2 announcements:

1) Pretenders are due in around 8 hours, so make sure you get them in!

2) House Rule: No Trans-Continental sailing is allowed across province #215 (aka "The Maelstrom")

A last-minute announcement, I know, but I think it's necessary to avoid a potentially unfair situation...Long story short, if a sailing nation starts adjacent to that province, they'll have sailing access directly into another player's capital. By forbidding trans-continental (i.e. from one continent to the other), this problem is avoided. Flavor: a massive maelstrom perpetually swirls at the center of this province; no sane sailor would dare try to cross it. Any Questions?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

So pretenders were due 3hrs ago, and 3 players haven't yet submitted.

But it turns out to be a blessing in disguise. This will give me a chance to alter to map to eliminate the unsightly house rule I had to announce last night.

I've sent PMs to the 3 players asking if they still intend to play. Hopefully they won't all submit before I finish modding the map!

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

Clevland, will we need to dowload the map again once you've finished with the changes?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

Unfortunately Yes. But I've finished with the RGB file modifications, I'll post it here now.

It's big, but even with a 1 baud modem you'll probably get it before I finish with the .map file (all the neighbors & terraintypes need to be adjusted...) :)

Note that you won't be able to view it in Dominions until I finish the .map. But you can see it in an RGB viewer (like GIMP). The only change is that I'm splitting province #215 into 2 seperate provinces.

The real problem was that - thanks to my requirement that all start locations have at least 6 same-landtype neighbors - there are only 2 valid coastal start locations on Planet Rorschach. And thanks to it's unique geography, those starts are seperated by a single sea province. In other words, sailing nations that automatically start on coasts - like Formoria - will have turn 1 access to another player's capital. Decidedly Un-Fair. It's a subtle problem, but one that could make the game quite Un-Fun for one of our players.

It'll take me a few hours to fix, but anything worth doing is worth doing right. :up:

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

Its 12:30 PM CST (USA) amd I have a Rigby Game to play....

Won't be home until.....errrrrrr, the beer runs out after the game.

So I take it that link is to the new map and I need to D/l it befroe I try and play first turn but my pretender is fine.

I just delete ALL old map files and add the new ones, correct?

If I don't see a response when I get home I will do just that.

(response would be better as I have no idea how many kegs they will have):eek:

Cheers:D

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

Make that read Rugby (in case my oversea brothers think we have REALLY tainted the game!!):p

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Upload Pretenders!
 

All - Alright! Modifications complete! That was a pain, but I'm very pleased with the final product and think we'll have a great game ahead of us. So without further ado...

GAME ON!

GB - It's not necessary to delete the old files, though they are obsolete now...but yes, you must download the RGB image I just posted and place it in your maps folder.

...yo ho, yo ho... ;)

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running!
 

http://blog.stevienova.com/wp-conten...388B/9f042.jpg

I instructed Llamaserver to start the game...but clearly that hasn't happened. PMing llamabeast to get this sorted out...

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running!
 

:doh:

Figured out the problem...totally my fault, llamabeast/server is completely innocent!

Basically, the very last thing I did before uploading the file to llamaserver was overwrite it with an earlier incomplete version. Killing the game during startup.

I've PM'ed llamabeast, hopefully it's just a quick .map file swap and we'll be up and running. Worst case scenario: we'll all need to re-upload our pretenders.

Terribly sorry everyone. How embarrassing...

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running!
 

So we don't need a new .map file now? I have to admit I am a total idiot regarding Dom maps (them *too*), but shouldn't there be a .map file now that points to the PlanetRorschach_V4.rgb instead of PlanetRorschach.rgb ? Or are we meant to rename that V4 rgb to something else? Or have I once again totally missed the point?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running!
 

Yeah it wasn't clear to me at first either. The way it works:

The HOST (llamaserver, in this case) needs both the IMAGE and MAP files.

The PLAYERS (us) need only the IMAGE file.

In this case, the IMAGE is called PlanetRorschach_V4.rgb, which is different from the original IMAGE, called PlanetRorschach.rgb.

So as long as you have PlanetRorschach_V4.rgb, you're good to go for this game.

However, if you were to create a seperate game (like a practice game against the AI), you become the HOST, and therefore need both the IMAGE and MAP files. Both of these files can be downloaded from the PlanetRorschach thread in the Maps subforum.

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Our current situation is due to a mistake in the MAP file. The IMAGE file is completely unchanged from what I posted previously, so again, as long as you have PlanetRorschach_V4.rgb you're all set.

Again, sorry about the oh-**** back there, it was really a stupid mistake. Never keep 2 copies of the same file open at the same time!!!!!

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

Fixy fixy!

You should all have just got Turn 1, hopefully.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

I got the turn, but it is using the older version of my pretender. I had really hoped to use the newer version....

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

If Chris got his Pretender in in time I think he should be able to use it.

If we are going to start over, lets do it now and live with any other problems that come along.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

I agree.

Thanks to llamabeast's ingenuity, it's very simple to take the game back to pre-start conditions...i.e. we won't have to resend pretenders.

Chris: please notify us when you receive confirmation that you're proper pretender is received, we will restart immediately thereafter.

Again, please accept my apologies for all this nonsense. I'll get it right next time. :)

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

Just to be certain (sorry, haven't had my morning coffee yet, so the old Brain Mk.I is not yet fully rebooted), the turn we recieved is not the turn we are supposed to take? We wait for chrispedersen to confirm his correct pretender is uploaded, and then the game launches from start again, correct?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

I asked the same quedtion and Cleveland told me the answer was YES.

But it will be a complete restart, new positions (RE-Ramdomized) ect. In effect a brand new game but we just don't have time invested in it.

For me its good for one reason and bad for another so its a wash.:up:

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

I get an awesome start and of course it's a false start. :sick:

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

In theory, they're all awesome. :D

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

I am happy for the restart. I wouldn't mind to have at least one forested province in the neighbourhood and not just hilly terrain; I mean, who ever heard of the Pan who sat on this unforested hill playing the flute??? How are the naked women supposed to... ummm... I mean, how does one engage in joyful revelry on sharp rocks and not soft moss?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

8 provinces attached to your capital awesome? 2 forest and 6 standard. I have never gotten a start like that before, ever.:doh:
But such is the fickle finger of fate.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, False Start...
 

"Game started! Players should receive their first turns in the next few minutes."

Good luck everyone! Sorry again about the 1 day delay...don't take it out on the birdmen!

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

<--- Ducks his head in shame.

DOH!

I am a complete idiot. And y'all think the we should just play I'll oblige.

I emailed cleveland saying I had (re)sent the pretender in.
Unfortunately I got a message back saying "No pretender file attached." Idiocy.

And I can't tell from my starting scales *what* pretender I have.

So I will say again- DOH!!! And publicly acknowlege I am a complete idiot.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Well, worse comes to worse aim to go out in a blaze of glory. Always good for amusement.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

I suppose it would be a terrible shame to have previously delayed the game for nothing.

We'll do one final restart...and chris, you're now obligated to put up a hell of a fight this game!

Everyone, thanks for your patience. I know it's frustrating, but it'll make for a much better game, and I know I'd certainly want such accommodation if it were me. You may all rest assured that there won't be any opportunities for rollbacks past the first turn.

Cheers,
cleveland

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Turn 1.. take 3.. and ACTION!

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Boorrrrrrrringg

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

So that NEW first turn I just got is valid???:confused:

I went from bad to medium start sooooo, guess this one should be GREAAAAAT!!!:p

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Hopefully third time's the charm.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

I think that was the fourth :embarrassed

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

So ummm... I sent in my turn today before getting to work, but if I understand right the game has once again restarted?

-The very confused Pan

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Is this map supposed to wrap around from north to south? Right now it only wraps east to west. Also, not that I'm complaining, but my captial borders 10 provinces and that doesn't seem fair.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

We all border a lot more provinces than usual so we're all in the same boat. Also yes the map is only supposed to wrap around from the east to west.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

For the record, several of those 10 are other-landtype, so won't contribute to capital resources.

Indeed, everyone should be happy with their number of neighbors. The spread is from 6-8 same-land type neighbors, which imho is substantially more fair than 4-6.

If you're unsure if you've completed your proper turn, simply check our game status page on llamaserver.net. Ill post a direct link when I get home tonight.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

whats an other land type?
*interesting!*

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Water as opposed to actual land I assume.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Abysia and Arco enter a Nap3 on turn 3

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Wow, that was quick.

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

did i miss somewhere an all naps have to be announced rule?

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Caelum declares war on EITHER Abysia OR Arco, whichever is slowest to conspire with me against the other.

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H - Nope. There's absolutely no requirement to announce NAPs, or any diplomatic arrangement for that matter. Though, Declarations of War, when accompanied by taunts and demonetization, are strongly encouraged. :D

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

I declare war on uh... Caelum if either Abysia or Arco needs an ally against the alliance against them.
(small print: unless this means Caelum actually attacks me in which case I will reveal that Caelum and I had a secret secret alliance (so secret that even Caelum didn't know about it) going which was used to draw you to a false front of war so that Caelum could gobble you up by surprise):angel

Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running
 

Now we are twice as big, twice as bad, and have a Capital A in our names!!:p