Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Not sure about how much time I'll have or whether the computer I'll have access to will be able to handle the game.

A properly instructed substitute could probably do ok. The trick would be properly instructing.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Okay. Well, find one if you want to and can--or tell me to try to find one for you, if you want to do that (but I expect you wouldn't). Otherwise I'll delay.

What is the earliest time (including time zone reference) when you would certainly be free to take a turn on Monday? (A variance of several hours after a delay of several days isn't a big deal, of course, but those of us who occasionally reload the game status page on LlamaServer would feel better having an exact time to wait for.)

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ok, i have a sub up through thursday. Do I PM you his e-mail address so you can change where the turn is sent?

He also won't be available friday - sunday, and possibly monday. But that's less of a delay than it would have been otherwise.

I'll be driving like all day monday, so if the turn was due like midnight i'd appreciate it. (US central timezone, not sure what that is in GMT offhand, or even which day, probably into tuesday)

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Yes, send me that e-mail address. Also you'll have to tell me when you return--you may as well send your own e-mail address now.

Thanks for the info! I'll delay as needed.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Anyhoo I think this is the first game I've been in that made it this far without any stales. CAN WE KEEP IT UP

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Sorry I just found out I'll be gone from sunday through tuesday (at least unitl afternoon time GMT) After the recent delays requested I feel guilty about asking it to be extended. If I indeed have to stale I'll try to stale in a non unbalancing way. Sorry about that.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Well, if you take a turn shortly before leaving, it wouldn't require much delay to keep you from staling.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Presently fussing over Squirrelloid substitution/delay details. Turn deadline is subject to change.

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T'ien Ch'i is able to forge various items that will be available for trade. (Forge hammers, earth boots, nature boosters, and various other goodies) Please PM me if you are interested. Prices will be simply the standard gem cost.

We are also looking to acquire some death and/or nature gems. Gems offering to trade to acquire these include astral, air, and water. Again please PM me if interested.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Iainuki will be Eriu while Squirrelloid is busy, through early August. Diplomacy for Eriu should be sent to him.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

There's no escaping Glaisne!

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Possible bug? My Ogre Butchers no longer have their national blood battle spells available to cast. And my gem/slave producing capital sites are all blank. And my sacreds are missing, along with my recruitable giant. Thoughts?

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Have you stopped getting the gems and slaves from those sites?

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Anyway I don't know anything about this but it sounds like it might be related to conflicts between entities defined by the mod and entities defined by the main game or by other mods. That's totally speculation on my part, but it's good enough to warrant a question in another thread, so I'll go ask that question.

It could also be a bug in the Dominions program, of course.

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I know it's possible, albeit not totally reliable, to fix errors that occur during turn hosting by redoing a turn. Clearly, this problem arose between one turn and the next... but it doesn't sound like something that would be fixed so easily. Not that redoing a turn is entirely easy.

I can't think of any other potential fixes off the top of my head. But I'll go ask.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Oh, incidentally--Mithras said he's gonna be out again, until Saturday or so, and this might give me an excuse to delay for him. (He told me not to delay for him, but I kinda want to do it anyway, since we've done so well with attendance and important things are happening and all.) So don't feel too pressured to take your turn right away, with your crippled ogres.

On the other hand, if no fix is found, you'll end up having to play out the rest of the game with crippled ogres! Hmm.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

well, I know why it happened now. Sombre released an update to the Ogre Kingdom and I DL'd it to check it out in an SP game. I'm not use to playing MP games and it just slipped my mind. So essentially, it's like playing after an update to Dom 3. I shoulda left the update alone until this game was over, so my bad.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

What you can do is open the DM file for v0.8, then change the #modname entry near the start of the file. If you do that, Dominions won't be able to confuse the mods. You might also want to change the filename of the v0.8 dm file, come to think of it.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Okay, well, I'm still going to delay.

Have you worked things out, BandarLover?

If you still want to play around with the newer version, you could just copy your whole Dominions directory and do it in the copy.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

(Or, you know, what Gregstrom said.)

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

If you have the 0.8 dm file present under a different filename, you'll be fine. It turns out changing the #modname entry has no effect. The important thing is reinstalling the v0.7 mod.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

I don't have v.07 of Ogre Kingdoms or I would reinstall it. I'll go ahead play with what I got and try not to make bone headed mistakes like this again in the future :D

Sombre says the spells should go back to normal next turn so I'll just go with that.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Here - you'll only need the .dm file, I think. Drop it in your mods folder and see if that helps.

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Yes, wouldn't it be safest to use the one LlamaServer is using (that being .7)? The new one might be better and all, but I assume that we can't genuinely switch from one to the other without updating the server somehow. And the server does not provide that option.

Did you submit a turn with version .8? If not, then I don't know why you'd have to wait a whole turn to get your spells back. Because in that case, the version conflict would never have reached the server--it would still all be on your end, and if you were to install .7 and delete your .2h file, it would go away entirely. And if you did submit a .2h with .8, but that turn hasn't hosted yet, then surely you could switch back to .7 and submit a new .2h, so as to prevent the game program from ever finding out about the change. I prefer that you do as much as possible to keep corruption out of our game! But I still don't understand the details of these mod conflicts the way Gregstrom, Sombre, et al do so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense then please ignore it. :)

Anyway, it sounds like the problem is on its way out, one way or another.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

The whole conflict thing does get a bit arcane :)

You can submit a turn using 0.8 if you absolutely have to - it's similar enough to 0.7 that you can issue orders llamaserver will understand. However, while you're using 0.8 and llamaserver isn't, you won't get access to giants at any time and I don't think you'll get your spells back either. It is possible to alter mods on llamaserver mid-game (just ask llamabeast nicely, and have a good reason for doing so), but in this case I think doing so would break your game for good.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

No need. I used the link you provided for ver .07 so I should be good now.

Thank you Gregstrom!!

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

np. Glad to be of assistance :D

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

I'm on the road and won't be able to submit a turn before Monday morning; please delay the hosting of Turn 27 till 19:00 GMT on the 10th if turn 26 hosts between now and then.

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Want to trade death gems for supply providing items.ie, Never ending Wine bag, Broth Cauldron, Summer sword etc. PM with your price, I have 50 death gems I'm willing to barter with.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Lavaere has quit, in defiance of my stated expectation.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

I need to get a message to Eriu. Who is playing Eriu currently? I noticed there was a sub listed on the first page, but I am unsure if he is still playing, or if the original player is back.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

so much as quit, but gave way for the what was coming. 2 regions and little of anything ain't a good fight. and I didn't feel like fighting to the death this time

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Eriu is still Iainuki.

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(Iainuki can definitely be reached via e-mail: the aforementioned nickname @gmail.com. Subs get special rules I guess!)

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Thanks, Bananadine. Heh, looks like I sent a lengthy message to the wrong person then. :doh: I sent one in game, but I was hoping to get it to him before the turn hosted. Oh well.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Hope I didn't mess you up. Oh well, international communications in this game are always a hassle....

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I am now back, btw. I believe i sent you my e-mail address already bananadine, but if not you can PM me to request it. Iainuki is aware of my return. (No need for a delay, i'm sure the current submitted turn is fine).

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Eriu is now Squirrelloid again.

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The regent having recently stepped down, Danaan, Lord of the Mound and other titles far too numerous to list, invites nations to send him an envoy to converse about the current state of affairs, and may entertain gestures of goodwill and offers of friendship.

The fair folk also wish to make it known that we are most interested in hammers, and would discuss the terms of a fair trade for such items in private. A gift of a hammer would ensure our lasting friendship. Trading for earth gems directly would also be amenable to us.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

So i'm a little slow...

Lavaere's game is basically over. I can understand why he went AI... sure, he could make things mildly more annoying, but only very mildly...

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Yes. I'm not saying Lavaere did or did not change the game much. Skavenblight fought valiantly until all was almost certainly lost. A lot of people I've played with would have quit earlier. I agree that Lavaere did well. And it's also true that I want people to play until the absolute end; and that is the expectation I stated before any of you joined. In this case, that expectation was violated.

I think that if every player in every game ever were to quit at the point where Lavaere did, then I would be pretty satisfied. This is the first time I've tried to get people to play either to that point or past it, and I'll surely go about it differently in the future. In this game, I ask everybody to play until the end.

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Does no one wish to speak with the sidhe?

(the Nation which already has a longstanding agreement with me - I obviously know what's up, though you're of course welcome to talk with me anyway)

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Well played Raiel. Holy crap that was a lot of enslave mind/mind burn/ soul slay castings!! That army was diseased anyways, buncha no good whiny bastards. You're welcome to them...


:D

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Yes well I try to play until its obvious I can't do anything. If it had been earlier in the game it would been until the complete death.
Anyway thanks, since this and Tourmaline was the first time I've been allowed to play Skaven

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Hm, my turn didn't come until I requested that it be "resent". Maybe it'll still come later... is anybody else encountering this problem?

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Annoyance! We have nagot gick feled.

As LlamaServer says, I can roll back the turn, or we can just accept the staling. I could go either way... by default I am inclined to accept it, since that's easier for everyone and seems slightly less risky. But it is certainly possible to redo a turn without also redoing the nagot gick fel error--I've done it once before. But it's probably also possible to redo a turn, only to see another nagot gick fel error.

Speak up if you feel strongly about this.

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

(Oh and speak up soon, because otherwise dudes will start sending in their turns and I will be even less inclined to roll back.)

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

I do feel pretty strongly that the turn should be re-hosted. That was a pretty pivitol turn for me in several different ways...

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

Okay I'll roll back then, unless somebody has a strong objection (which seems unlikely). I just told LlamaServer to e-mail everybody about this for me but I haven't gotten my e-mail yet. :(

Re: Redwich - a dramatic game (awaiting pretenders)
 

I got the message. In NoobVsVets3, the admin (rdonj and Septimus) were able to rehost when this happened using the previously submitted turn files. I've no game admin experience, though, and I don't know how they did it...