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how do people feel about mulligans for catastrophic events in the first couple turns? (lab fire, troglodyte attack, half population gone)

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Random events could be set to rare at the beginning of the game.

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As far as nation selection goes, you could employ a random choice sort of thing.

Each player puts in 3 nations they would like to play. Each player is then randomly assigned one of the nations from the pot. This way selecting the strong nation may backfire as the other player gets it instead.

Another possibility is the addition of a new nation. I've been mucking around modding a nation that has no recruitable troops at all but gains 7 of each gem type per turn. This way i have to build the mages i want from scratch through empowerment. I have also included in the mod an easy access gift of reason spell so the game is very much about summoned GoR'd thugs and indi armies and its great fun. It would be quite balanced for an MP outing and 1 v 1 would be vicious.

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I think your 1-on-1 league sounds fun, but I'm not so interested in the whole competitive ladder idea. That's probably why the idea of mulligans makes me cringe. :)

@WingedDog: if you set random events to rare, there's really not much point in taking turmoil/luck scales, which are going to be pretty unlikely in 1-on-1 anyway, so you're cutting down on diversity.

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I like the idea of 1vs1 league as well, don't really care if the wins get singed in or not doe.
This should be made a sticky.

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You know, if you're talking 1vs1 ladder games there's one mod that really springs to mind... Dr. P's Mirror Match. It has identical nations and would be pretty much perfect for a ladder scenario.

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I think you guys are getting way too concerned over how 'fair' the matches are. Having people pick nations would mean lots of nations never used, rare events would screw over the strategy of any ballsy person who wanted luck or god forbid turmoil, and any standardized map is just boring after a game or two.

To some it up in a cliche, it's about the game not the winner. Baalz and I have played a bunch of fun duels with just random maps/random nations (though I do recommend the easy research).

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The settings should really be left to the two players playing. I'm for random nations myself, however if people want to play Arco vs Marverni it's their choice.

As there is interest for 1vs1 games, I say a sticky be made for organizing such games, with some voluntary players admining (nation selection, and such).

Now what I think would be interesting, is a turnament.
For eg. 16 players sign up, and we play by knock out until there there are two players left for the finals.

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I worry a little about the "Only 1 Game at a time" restriction. While I do agree that there should probably be a limit, this would still result in major differences on the number of games played per player.

If this is to be competitive (as is intedended), then noobs are probably going to need more time in each turn to effectly analyze situations that most vets are going to be feflexively familiar with... any game with a new player will almost certainly go longer than a game between two vets.

Edit: I should have said that turns involving a new player will each take longer than those between experienced players.

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1 game at a time is not much, being as they might easily last a month or two each.

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[quote=quantum_mechani;700444]I think you guys are getting way too concerned over how 'fair' the matches are...
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we have come up with a solution for that. at least i think it is a solution.

also i ave thought about 1 game at a time and it is pretty restrictive.

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what does balance matter, if you choose someone you like playing. your gonna learn how to fight the other nations eventually

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i dont think balance is that much of an issue in the first place as i have stated before

@quantum
i didnt quote you correctly i was referring to the overusage of only 'powerful' nations

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Anyone interested in a 1vs1 with me?

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im in too many games right now :)

btw im planning on getting a cheap website up for the ladder but it may take awhile

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looks like a friend is probably gonna make the core website that i can modify

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SURE.....if YOU play EA Marverni and I play EA Arco.

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ill be the first to take you up on that challenge ^^

edit: also it wont be that easy to get to the top of the ladder by always playing so called "powerhouses". so you play EA arco all you want ^^

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EA Arco is a powerhouse?

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i dont know i dont think like that anyways... im just assuming thats what hes trying to imply :P

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GB, was that directed at me? I don't mind taking Marverni if you wanna play.

If you don't, is there someone else interested in a 1 on 1?

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so tempting, i really shouldn't take on any more games though, sorry :(

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Yeah Executer, I have a new build on Arco and would like to try it agianst one of the best (that be you).

I still don't think I would win but I might put up a good fight with this build and playing with/agianst you has always had me going away learing something.

If you want to play (remember I am computer challenged) let me know and we can set it up.

BTW, that wasn't a smart A** challenge, it was just directed at a friend.

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DarkSha, I have NO thought that EA Arco is in any way a powerhouse. In fact with me at the helm I should get a running start whoever I played.

I think your Idea is great on a ladder, but I am not that versed on many nations and I think there is a LOT of people who would love to play 1 on 1 but not agianst a really good player playing a powerhouse Nation.

There was a ladder called Leadeaters about 8 years ago (had to do with stratgy games across a broad spectrum) and they assigned points for the particular battle you where going to play, side you took and skill levels.

I played Cilvil War Generals 2, but there where a number of games involved in this 'Ladder' all mixed together with points for battles, Draws, Minor wins, and Major wins (likewise you took points off for the same losses).

It also factored in WHO you where playing so If a General played a privite and got a major win he might get 20 point....iF the privite won, he might get 100.

(Eveyone started as a reruit and went up the ranks..Privite, corporal ect)

It was a different era and differnt type of games as they where mostly tactical and there certainly was no magic. But the premise remains the same.

I don't get to toot my horn very often but I retired as the only 5tar General they ever had ( As I siad it was mostly on one game CWG2 and there where only 2 sides to take so it wasn;t that big of a deal, but it was to me at the time).

You might look at this post and see if there is something you could take out of it that would make EVERYONE feel like it was worthwhile to play Executor ect.

Also you might want to set up games like Marverni agianst Arco..or perhaps Mictlan agianst Pangea ect...

Just an opinion.

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Grudge:
The chess-style system does take into consideration relative skill levels as measured by current ranking. Of course, it requires playing a number of games for your ranking to accurately reflect your skill level, but the chess system does everything you're asking.

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Point well taken!!!:up:

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GB, that's great news.
You have mail, let's get start this game!

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yeah GB we will be using a modified chess system :)

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I am up for a duel. Anybody interested?

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you might have to create a separate thread. dont know if people really check this

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I'm interested in a duel.

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You're on. Let's move the conversation into a separate thread: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...279#post702279

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DakaSha and I played MA Van vs MA R'lyeh on Silent Seas. He retired in turn 31 because he got bored, but I force hosted the game twice after he retired, and he got killed by dom death in turn 33.

I wasn't bored. And not a Tartarian in sight, not even a Bane Lord. :)

Admittedly, the map favors the land nation, and also a blood sacrificing land nation is probably going to stomp any water nation even with equal land/water territory, if you take dom 10 (I did).

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as said i blame it more on the map (and my incompetence) then the land/water nation pick

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I'd like to play some VS games - add me to any list of players interested. I don't really care if there's a ranking system or not. (my 2c)

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There were more than a couple of occasions where you came really close to causing some significant damage to me. And I agree it's not a good map for this matchup. So I don't think you played incompetently at all!

It's easier to get out of the water than to get in, especially for R'lyeh, so the land/water distribution might be okay. But the Silent Seas layout leaves you deprived of any solid block of underwater provinces in which to consolidate dominion, and like you said it's got a lot of deep sea, penalizing your gold income.

Did you have heat scales? I almost always go cold-3 underwater. I think heat scales gives you a 5% income hit (per tick) underwater, but cold doesn't.