Re: The Early Days.
 

Thanks for volunteering guys. Although Baalz was first, he seems to be in so many games that I really can't give him any additional tasks without feeling like a slaver :) .

So, Lingchih is now the secondary admin. I've PM'ed the game admin password to him.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Sunday.
 

As I said earlier, due to my moving a Sunday start won't work for me. Do you want me to get chris to send in the pretender/do first couple turns or just back out?

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Sunday.
 

:doh:

I knew I forgot something. We'll roll however you want. Do you want me to delay the game start or do you want to Chris sub for you the first turns?

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Sunday.
 

On second thought, it's probably best to delay the start. We aren't in hurry to anywhere.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Tuesday.
 

Works for me, should be back online tuesday. I'll post here if things go horribly horribly wrong so that you can go on without me.

Re: The Early Days - Map & Mod complete, starting sunday.
 

I've noticed that some of the sea providences are inaccessible. The one on the bottom right corner, one on the bottom edge to the left (between 3 and 9) and one on the top edge between 139 and 138. Is this intentional or an error?

Re: The Early Days - Map & Mod complete, starting sunday.
 

Intentional. Even the original map has those provinces "empty", likely for balance reasons. I know it might be sort of confusing, but I didn't want to make the map uglier by trying to scribble over them or something. The map has plenty of water even without them. 27 water provinces on the outer rim leaves each water nation with 9 water provinces, which is pretty good, considering that land nations have 10,8 provinces per player.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Tuesday.
 

My computer has died, so I won't be playing

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated start on Tuesday.
 

Shame. Hope yuo ge your computer fixed soon.

I'll try to recruit a some other player. Leaving sarting posiion empty might result in a very unbalanced starts for some nations.

If we don't habe a replacement by say, thursday, I'll edi the map to contain fewer starts and we'll play on that.

Re: The Early Days. One spot open! Join now, before it's too late!
 

I'll play as TNN.

Re: The Early Days. One spot open! Join now, before it's too late!
 

Oh, and jenga.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated (final) start friday!
 

Allrighty, I moved the estimated start (yet again..) to give rdonj time to get accustomed to the unique map. I've tried to contact Fakey about his internet problems and if he can game. But unless very special things stir up, the Friday start is final. Have we all players or not.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated (final) start friday!
 

Thanks, that should be plenty of time to figure out what I'm doing. Guess I got sucked in after all.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Estimated (final) start friday!
 

My pretender is in. Looks like we're just waiting on pangaea.

Re: The Early Days. One Spot open! Join quick, starting friday!
 

Yeah, my attemps to contact fakey have resulted in nothing. According to chris, he should have gotten internet yesterday. Since he seemed quite eager to drop off (suggesting it in two separate accounts), so I have decided to seek a replacement player now while there is still time.

The game is starting Friday, do we get replacement or not. I might have time thursday to make a edit of the map with just 5 random land starts in more appropiate locations, but I can't promise anything.

Re: The Early Days. One Spot open! Join quick, starting friday!
 

Haven't signed baal'z pledge, but maybe i can say "signing it for this game only"? If that is acceptable and Pangaea is ok to take then i could be ready till friday. Not know what Jenga is but read the rules.

Re: The Early Days. One Spot open! Join quick, starting friday!
 

I'm potentially interested, but in basically the same situation as rtyffg. I'll sign the pledge for this game. If I'm in, mention it here and I'll actually get the mod/map installed and have a pretender ready Friday. Jenga.

Re: The Early Days. One Spot open! Join quick, starting friday!
 

Well, you don't have to sign the pledge if you don't want to. Pledge that was pledged just because it's mandatory has no meaning.

Can you promise to not to instantly turn AI if the tide of war turns against you? Because that's enough for me. By fighting to the end, you learn more of the game and keep the game nice, clean and balanced. If real and stuff cuts in the dom-time, just ask for an extension.

Also, Panganea is available. If you agree to that one term above,just post a confirmation here and upload pretender before saturday and I'll be glad to welcome you into this game.

P.S: "Jenga" isn't supposed to mean anything in this context,it just sounds silly :). It's a game also thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga

I'm sorry, but because I'm going by the "first come, first served" basis, I'll offer the position to rtyffg first. If he refuses the spot for some reason, I'll give you a shot.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

I'm back up and running. So if you have any room left, let me know

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

Now this is just getting silly. I don't know if I'm trying to host a MP game or a soap opera! People keep on getting down and up :D

But since you were truly the first (and probably still have the pretender in store), I think it's only fair to give the position to you.

Could you please post your pretender ASAP, before something else dramatic happens?

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

Dammit, I just got back online and you find a guy. Oh well.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

Drama++. Awesome.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

No no, no drama to be had. While I was looking forward to the game I fully expected something terribly terribly wrong to happen that would keep me from getting online despite my provider's assurances that everything would be working monday.

So, to whomever ends up taking my spot (as it appears to be in some contention still) please enjoy yourself and I'm sure another game will come along soon.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

If you want, I am willing to back out of the game and let you have my spot. I was initially coming in to take ghoul's theoretically but not actually vacant spot anyway.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

Nah, it's for the best really. I just started up school again and looking at the workload I don't know if I'd be able to keep up. Have fun with my blessing.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

Yeah, I usually reserve spots longer than this, but I read between the lines from your posts and came to same conclusion. So, hopefully, no hard feelings?

On other news, I started the game before anything else superdramatic happens. The game seems fine, there even isn't even a single illegal pretender!

I extended the clock 24h for the first turn to accomodate if someone was really counting on the Friday start in their scheducle.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Oh, and just to avoid any further confusion, I'll give a more accurate definition to the victory conditions, which were defined as thus in the first post during recruitment:

With thirteen players 40% of capitals is 5,2 ~ 5. We have 132 provinces, 40% of which is 52,8 ~ 53. So a player will win if he holds 5 capitols and 53 provinces for 2 consecutive turns. Compared to many other games, this is pretty "easy" to achieve, so people are highly encouraged to keep an eye out for potential winners and take pre-emptive actions well before they can reach the requirements. It's especially dangereous if someone manages to take the 5 capitols, since air-dropping around to take the province requirement really isn't that hard.

Re: The Early Days. Upload Pretenders! Starting Friday.
 

None at all Burn, good luck to you all in this game.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Alrighty, because we got hit by an extremely rare bug, we needed to restart. I won't go inot details, but basically, Intostructure, the player of R'lyeh was comletely unable to get his turn file. I won't go to the details, but here is Llamabeast's assestment of the situation when I talked to him in IrC:

Since staling the first turn isn't fun for anyone, I decided to restart since it's just turn 1.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Still no turn file. Don't know what to say guys.
I feel bad holding up a show that's been held up so much already. If you want to omit/replace I'd understand.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Tried requesting it from llamaserver?

Do you have another e-mail you could use?

(Then of course there's the obvious, like have you checked your spam folder, but i'm going to assume you did that).

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

All of the above, of course. If that's all a no-go, let's just get this thing started, please.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

The bug is a bit more persistant than that thought. First, I tried to change the e-mail to my secondary adress in to order to get the turn file and send it to Intostructure.

I got the "you are now receiving turns for R'lyeh in the Early Days game" message, but I couldn't get the file, no e-mail arrived, no matter how many times I requested for it. Then Calahan from IrC agreed to help out and I set to e-mail for him. Same thing, Calahan got the confirmation message, but no turn file, not even by requesting. So I set R'lyehs e-mail back to Intostructure and restarted.

I'm just absolutely baffled at what could cause this. Perhaps no .trn file got generated for some reason? Llamabeast "ghost turn" explanation is the best I've seen.

Now that the restart didn't work, we'll just unfortunately have to let R'lyeh stale the first turn and see if he receives the second turn.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

If you have to create a whole new game, thats fine with me. I want to remake my pretender anyways

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Hopefully it won't come to that. Turn 2 just processed, and lets see if Intostructure received this turn.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

R'lyeh isn't even listed as one of the nations on llamaserver now. I think if you miss the first turn, you don't get put in the game.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

By the holy mother of Angst! You're right!

Ugh, I don't what it is about this game that apparently makes it an abodomination against llamaserver, but damned be if I'm going let that bring me down.

We'll, we have two options at this point, either we continue with a major power power vacuum in the sea or start the game completely over, having to resend pretenders and stuff.

I think I'm going to go with a democratic process in this decision, considering how huge it is. Cast your votes people!

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Restart again. With just two powers in the ocean, they get a bit too good headstart compared with everybody else, if you ask me...

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

start the game over

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

meh. whatever people want.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

[sarcasm]
Aw man, I totally had this game in the bag and now we have to restart?
[/sarcasm]

Don't think that's much of a choice, you know what needs to be done. ;)

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Baalz already had same number of provinces as his two biggest neighbours *combined* :shock:

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

I guess we start over.

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

We can keep going ;) i don't mind the water nations being more powerful. they need it. :)

nah. just kidding we can restart

Re: The Early Days. Game on! Let's jenga all the way into the night, baby!
 

Okay, the path is clear. Let us sacrifice this game to the gods of llamaserver in the hopes that our next jourey could be without bugs.

I'm going to finish the game and start a new one with the same settings.

EDIT: Game is up. Please send in pretenders.

Re: The Early Days. Very dramatic game, send in pretenders (..again)
 

Le Sigh.
Llama server is now repeatedly sending my pretenders back saying they are middle age R'lyeh pretenders when they need to be early age.

I've checked, thoroughly, to make sure I am indeed sending in an early age pretender. I have the early age Jenga map open right now, with the Jenga mod on, and my one saved R'lyeh pretender loaded right in. I am certain this is a perfectly kosher early age pretender.

I've decided to step out of the game and ask for a sub. Hopefully the trouble is somehow on my end and a different person playing R'lyeh will enable the game to continue. I'm sure a lot of you guys are probably wondering if I'm attempting some sort of hacks or shenanigans which have lead to this, and I don't want to be in this position any more.

Re: The Early Days. Very dramatic game, send in pretenders (..again)
 

OH MY GOD!

:doh::doh::doh:

I now know what the bug is. It was because of the Jenga mod where I moved MA R'lyeh into early age to give it coastal recruits. That's why llamaserver is throwing fits, because it thinks that you are basically sending MA prentenders into early era game. I don't know why it accepted R'lyehs pretender in the first game, but it was likely the cause of error.

I'll just make the game "multi-age" game, so that the game accepts pretenders from all eras. That should fix it. Just be certain that you have the Jenga mod enabled when making pretenders.

So yeah, my bad. Please feel free to verbally mock me if you feel like it, I deserve it for not figuring this out sooner.

Re: The Early Days. Bug identified! Send in pretenders (..again)
 

Ugh.

I was just about to upload the fixed version of the Jenga mod when my internet connection decided to fail :banghead, but it will be back up later today. I'm posting this from school.

Just give me 12 hours and I will fix this game for good. Everyone just lay back and breathe until I mangae to upload the new Jenga mod. Patience is a virtue, you know.

Intostructure if you don't want to deal with R'lyeh right now, I can change nations with you, if you so wish.

Re: The Early Days. Bug identified! Send in pretenders (..again)
 

Well, this is kind of a cluster ****. I think I may bow out of it.

Then again, I only have two games going now, so I guess I could try and slog through all of this. Heh, I'll decide tomorrow.

Re: The Early Days. Bug identified! Send in pretenders (..again)
 

Ok, here is my assestment of the situation:

1) The bug is squished. I tested my the new preferences out and managed to send a pretender for R'lyeh with 0 problems.

2) Unfortunately everyone needs to re-download the Jenga mod (can be found in the first of the game thread, titled Jenga_Mod_fixed, containing a Jenga2.dm file). When you put the file in the mods folder, feel free to delete the old "Jenga" .dm file to stop it from cluttering your mod preferences screen.

3) The changes in the mod shouldn't affect any one else but R'lyeh, but I've decided to play it safe and I'm asking everyone to remake their pretender and making sure that they have the new Jenga mod and the single age mod enabled. Since you guys probably remember your desings, this will only take a minute.

4) Send in the new pretender and once everyone has sent it, we start the game and have fun bashing heads.

5) Even if the player for R'leyh is final in his decision to step down, it won't matter, for I shall take control of R'lyeh. So if you follow the steps above, the game will get rolling.

6) Thanks for your patience.