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lch November 25th, 2009 07:16 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger (Post 719552)
Machaka also lists/links to the normal Sorceress, rather than the Machaka version.

Thanks, somehow the Sorceresses didn't make it through the unit article naming process. Fixed. I see that there are five other units which somehow have unaddressed dupes among them, too...

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger (Post 719552)
And are you planning on listing the Capital Only Recruits/Commanders, and the National Heroes, with each Nation?

The site data is in now, so yes, that information will eventually become visible.

ese-aSH November 25th, 2009 11:51 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Hi Ich !

some errors I have found in the wiki :

on the spells page, the following links to not refer to the spell, but to the summoned unit :
/wiki/Black_Servant
/wiki/Corpse_Candle
/wiki/False_Horror
/wiki/Father_Illearth
/wiki/Harvester_of_Sorrows
/wiki/Iron_Dragon
/wiki/King_of_Banefires
/wiki/Monster_Boar
/wiki/Phantasmal_Warrior
/wiki/Poison_Golem
/wiki/Siege_Golem
/wiki/Watcher
/wiki/Will_o%27_the_Wisp
/wiki/Ziz

One has to add "_(spell)" at the end of the URL in order to go to the spell page.

the page :
/wiki/Summon_Mandaha
raises SQL errors

And finally not really a bug but the pages :
/wiki/Ambush_of_Tigers
/wiki/Contact_Couatl
/wiki/Pack_of_Wolves
Do not directly refer to the spell but offer some nation selection before (this look strange since the spell is the same for all nations + there are some spell with several nations that can be access directly from the spell list).

Same note for :
/wiki/Divine_Blessing
which does not contain any spell information, only the description.


edit : hm I am doing a little tool based on the information from the wiki, I used a script to download spells & items informations (thats how I found those errors : the script did not worked there), I'll share it to you when its done maybe I can use a simpler way to get the data I need.

ese-aSH November 25th, 2009 12:37 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
oups I forgot "Behemot" and "Leviathan" in the first list (those who must have "_(spell)" added).

lch November 25th, 2009 03:16 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ese-aSH (Post 719603)
on the spells page, the following links to not refer to the spell, but to the summoned unit :

/wiki/Behemot
/wiki/Black_Servant
/wiki/Corpse_Candle
/wiki/False_Horror
/wiki/Father_Illearth
/wiki/Harvester_of_Sorrows
/wiki/Iron_Dragon
/wiki/King_of_Banefires
/wiki/Leviathan
/wiki/Monster_Boar
/wiki/Phantasmal_Warrior
/wiki/Poison_Golem
/wiki/Siege_Golem
/wiki/Watcher
/wiki/Will_o%27_the_Wisp
/wiki/Ziz

One has to add "_(spell)" at the end of the URL in order to go to the spell page.

Yes, I know. Unit articles take precedence over the spells by the same name. I pleaded that the spells would all be named "Contact ..." or "Summon ..." but that wasn't done, so this is WAD. I might add disambiguation links to those articles to link to the appropriate alternate article, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ese-aSH (Post 719603)
the page :
/wiki/Summon_Mandaha
raises SQL errors

Thanks, fixed. The spell had the old pre-3.23 name.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ese-aSH (Post 719603)
And finally not really a bug but the pages :
/wiki/Ambush_of_Tigers
/wiki/Contact_Couatl
/wiki/Pack_of_Wolves
Do not directly refer to the spell but offer some nation selection before (this look strange since the spell is the same for all nations + there are some spell with several nations that can be access directly from the spell list).

They're not the same spell - they do have different spell IDs. They're just named the same and have the same effect, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ese-aSH (Post 719603)
Same note for :
/wiki/Divine_Blessing
which does not contain any spell information, only the description.

Thanks, fixed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ese-aSH (Post 719603)
edit : hm I am doing a little tool based on the information from the wiki, I used a script to download spells & items informations (thats how I found those errors : the script did not worked there), I'll share it to you when its done maybe I can use a simpler way to get the data I need.

You don't need to spider the Wiki, if you want the data that I have in my database then I can share it with you. Just drop me an email, for example through the Wiki, if you're logged in. Although with Semantic MediaWiki it IS possible to get RDF data dumps out of the Wiki, which apparently is a cool feature, according to the database/semanticweb folks.

Stavis_L November 25th, 2009 06:03 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
While reading through the old-age thread, I noticed a "construct lord 1" unit modification effect for the Mason of the Underworld hero. What is this effect?

Also, is it possible to search by unit modifications?

lch November 25th, 2009 07:17 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stavis_L (Post 719655)
While reading through the old-age thread, I noticed a "construct lord 1" unit modification effect for the Mason of the Underworld hero. What is this effect?

The modifications now link to "Effect" article pages. They're mostly just stubs so far, but they may contain some info about the effect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stavis_L (Post 719655)
Also, is it possible to search by unit modifications?

I do want to make them into fully fledged semantic properties later. Until then, you can go to the corresponding "Effect:..." article and use "What links here" from the toolbox to show pages that contain this effect.

Stavis_L November 25th, 2009 07:31 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 719664)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stavis_L (Post 719655)
While reading through the old-age thread, I noticed a "construct lord 1" unit modification effect for the Mason of the Underworld hero. What is this effect?

The modifications now link to "Effect" article pages. They're mostly just stubs so far, but they may contain some info about the effect.

Thanks! +1 to construct summons apparently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 719664)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stavis_L (Post 719655)
Also, is it possible to search by unit modifications?

I do want to make them into fully fledged semantic properties later. Until then, you can go to the corresponding "Effect:..." article and use "What links here" from the toolbox to show pages that contain this effect.

Hrm...I tried this, and the "What links here" says that no pages link to the article. Perhaps the cache hasn't rebuilt since you updated?

lch November 26th, 2009 05:38 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
I don't know where you clicked on the "What links here" link, but for the effect you mentioned it links back to two units:

http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Speci...Construct_lord

That reminds me, now I'll introduce this to the items, as well.

Stavis_L November 26th, 2009 09:41 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 719711)
I don't know where you clicked on the "What links here" link, but for the effect you mentioned it links back to two units:

I clicked on the link to the effect from list of effects in the unit block for the Mason article, and then from the effect page, I clicked on the "What links here" in the left nav toolbox. However, it seems to be working now, so I'm still going to suspect it was cache that hadn't caught up yet. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 719711)
That reminds me, now I'll introduce this to the items, as well.

Cool, thanks!

Illuminated One November 26th, 2009 07:59 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Hmm, what's with the unused items, does this mean there exist items with unused effects/effect combinations or are they just placeholders?

lch December 2nd, 2009 10:52 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Illuminated One (Post 719793)
Hmm, what's with the unused items, does this mean there exist items with unused effects/effect combinations or are they just placeholders?

What do you mean by unused items, exactly? The effect table is guesswork and not all of them have been successfully classified yet.

lch December 6th, 2009 03:46 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Good news, everybody! The Wiki has now better readable effect values for units and items: They directly link to the spells or units that an ability (like domsummon) is referring to, you don't need to look up the unit/spell with that particular ID anymore.

One community member has developed a standalone tool for browsing through the spells and artifacts with a couple of filtering options by using the data from the Wiki, too. (see the previous page) The tool is already usable, let's see if a download option for it will emerge later.

Cheers,
lch

Thilock_Dominus December 6th, 2009 03:56 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 720742)
Good news, everybody! The Wiki has now better readable effect values for units and items: They directly link to the spells or units that an ability (like domsummon) is referring to, you don't need to look up the unit/spell with that particular ID anymore.

One community member has developed a standalone tool for browsing through the spells and artifacts with a couple of filtering options by using the data from the Wiki, too. (see the previous page) The tool is already usable, let's see if a download option for it will emerge later.

Cheers,
lch

Great! Going to be useful :)
I can now then redirect my mod units abilities.

Foodstamp December 10th, 2009 12:50 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
This wiki has replaced several tools I use for modding. I really appreciate the work you guys put into this!

lch February 1st, 2010 08:26 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
The Wiki and my associated Dom3 stuff has moved to a new machine. The rusty old Pentium III at 950 Mhz has now been replaced by a (drum roll) Celeron running at 1333 Mhz!! Plus, the OS has been updated and this notebook is a lot less noisy.

If anything doesn't work anymore like it should and you can't use or contribute to the Dom3Wiki like before, then just report this via email or by posting here. And if you didn't contribute yet, then feel encouraged to try this out on the new machine now! ;)

Foodstamp February 1st, 2010 08:42 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Someone Wiki savvy make it possible for me to search for "homesick" units.

Thanks!

lch February 1st, 2010 09:02 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
I'm sorry, that's not possible right now. The wiki still has a lot of room for improvements and it'd involve a lot of work, but unfortunately I have no time for that.

But I can tell you that the only ones that have it are the Naiad (1226), Blood Guard (1353), Blood Lord (1389), Nushi (1431), Swamp Serpent (1435), Partholonian Sorceress (1795) and Hama Dryad (932).

Foodstamp February 1st, 2010 10:09 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 729334)
I'm sorry, that's not possible right now. The wiki still has a lot of room for improvements and it'd involve a lot of work, but unfortunately I have no time for that.

But I can tell you that the only ones that have it are the Naiad (1226), Blood Guard (1353), Blood Lord (1389), Nushi (1431), Swamp Serpent (1435), Partholonian Sorceress (1795) and Hama Dryad (932).

Perfect! I only knew about 4 of those, thank you!

Stavis_L February 2nd, 2010 09:25 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 729334)
I'm sorry, that's not possible right now.

*sad panda*

Quote:

But I can tell you that the only ones that have it are the Naiad (1226), Blood Guard (1353), Blood Lord (1389), Nushi (1431), Swamp Serpent (1435), Partholonian Sorceress (1795) and Hama Dryad (932).
RE: 1795 - that's interesting, as that unit is also 1) immortal, and 2) a hero. Raises two questions:

1) Do "homesick" units that die of longing for home get resurrected? (assuming they pine away while still in dominion)
2) What is the "home province" for a hero unit? The capital?

KissBlade February 2nd, 2010 01:31 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
how'd I add my Yomi guide on there? =( And also a Jomon guide I plan on working on sooner or later ...

Viajero February 8th, 2010 04:36 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Ah, sorry for the double post. Did not realize this thread was here. The page seems to be down. Can anyone confirm?

Gandalf Parker February 8th, 2010 10:10 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Yes its down.

The DNS service thru no-ip still is up, but the machine itself seems to be down. I would think he would have kept the machine up using it for personal purposes and just turned off the address we all knew for it. So it might be a crash (he did recently do a major hardware upgrade which raises the chance of that)

lch February 8th, 2010 12:21 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KissBlade (Post 729422)
how'd I add my Yomi guide on there? =( And also a Jomon guide I plan on working on sooner or later ...

You should register on the Wiki and edit the page http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Oni_Kings/KissBlade's_guide and add it on the Oni Kings article afterwards. For a template, see the source code of your Patala guide by using the edit button there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 730461)
The page seems to be down. Can anyone confirm?

Sorry, they turned off the power in the building over the weekend. It's up again.

There also is some problem with special characters in the database. I will have to convert them so that they don't display as rubbish on a lot of pages. No idea how to do that yet.

SlipperyJim February 16th, 2010 10:21 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 730514)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 730461)
The page seems to be down. Can anyone confirm?

Sorry, they turned off the power in the building over the weekend. It's up again.

FYI, it's dead again.

lch February 16th, 2010 10:27 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Yes, the hard disc is about to fail it seems. I don't think I have a backup of the new installation on another disc yet, so in case that the drive really is gone it will take me a couple of days to restore things, again, after finding a suitable replacement. GAH, work! :( :( :(

Sombre February 16th, 2010 10:52 AM

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Some of you ungrateful ****s should donate to the wiki fund. Apparently I am the only person to have done so thus far. Despite everyone else using it all the time.

That will at least keep lch in really, really cheap rubbing alcohol during this time of stress.

vfb February 16th, 2010 11:26 AM

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Oh, good idea! But it's down ... so is there a pledgie thingy somewhere?

Gandalf Parker February 16th, 2010 01:56 PM

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I will try to dig up a reciprocate amount but it might take a month or so.

Ink February 16th, 2010 04:26 PM

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we demand a dom3 wiki pledgie!

Maerlande February 17th, 2010 02:39 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
What's a reciprocate amount? If I donate $10 you'll donate $0.10? The reciprocal?

lch February 17th, 2010 05:19 AM

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Sombre, you scoundrel! History repeats itself, eh? :) There is no Dom3Wiki pledgie, there was a "Donate" button... on the Dom3Wiki! Talk about bad design. ;) Only Sombre ever used it!

I'd like help in form of contributions to the Wiki far more than donations, like FungalReason, Squirrelloid, Graeme and others have been doing over the past days. But the Wiki and the Donate button will be back, I promise. :P Damn fricken piece of junk...

Gregstrom February 17th, 2010 08:56 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quick, donate $0.000000000001!

Gandalf Parker February 17th, 2010 10:57 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maerlande (Post 731983)
What's a reciprocate amount? If I donate $10 you'll donate $0.10? The reciprocal?

No I meant in reciprocation to the help lch gave when my server had hardware problems.

Maerlande February 17th, 2010 11:03 AM

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I figured as much Gandalf. I was just trying to make a joke. Probably it failed. :)

lch February 18th, 2010 08:28 AM

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People just need more irony potential, Maerlande.

The good news: it seems that no data is lost. I have already backed up everything of importance. It will take some time until I can set up the system on a new hard disc drive, so I'll put it up as is again soon for the time being, but you probably should only read it for now unless you're not concerned that any changes to it might get lost.

lch February 18th, 2010 12:29 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Actually, if you want to add stuff to the Wiki just go ahead. The data is being backed up remotely in a 24 hour cycle now. I'll take care about the hardware problems later.

lch February 24th, 2010 03:49 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
I can't reach the server myself right now, maybe it has finally died now. I was getting big honking red flashing S.M.A.R.T. errors, "Help me, I'm dying here! Several errors on multiple partitions!" every time I logged in lately, but as I said I kept daily backups so we should be fine. I already have a replacement drive, but as I hope to get a replacement for the case and everything else aswell things might take a little while to set up again.

lch March 2nd, 2010 03:55 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Aaand we're back in business. New junkpile, featuring slightly more RAM and a slightly better CPU - we have arrived in 2003 now, hardware-wise (wooo!) and most importantly a new HDD that hopefully will make less trouble than the old one. Sorry for the wait. Enjoy! :)

chrispedersen March 2nd, 2010 05:10 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Hey Ich
I've tried a couple of times to add content. Strategy guides, etc. Never had permission to edit. Am I doing something wrong?

Lingchih March 3rd, 2010 03:14 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
The Wiki is quite nice. But sorry, I just donated my last 20 bucks to Llamaserver. Perhaps, when I get a steadily paying job again, I can donate to the Wiki.

lch March 3rd, 2010 08:43 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 733933)
Hey Ich
I've tried a couple of times to add content. Strategy guides, etc. Never had permission to edit. Am I doing something wrong?

You need to register to create an account. There's a button on the top right, "Log in / create account" for that. But actually, right now you make me aware that I'm not sure that sending out emails works like it used to... So please report back if you manage to do that!

And apparently the new notebook went into suspend mode when I closed the lid... d'oh! :( That is fixed now.

Lingchih, thanks for considering to absorb the costs, but it doesn't have to be money donations, contribution of content to the Wiki would be nice, too.

Stavis_L March 10th, 2010 08:15 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 719711)
I don't know where you clicked on the "What links here" link, but for the effect you mentioned it links back to two units:

http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Speci...Construct_lord

That reminds me, now I'll introduce this to the items, as well.

Sorry to resurrect this again, but what was the other unit (besides Klaus) that had this? (since you elsewhere mentioned that the What Links Here approach won't work.)

lch March 12th, 2010 04:09 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Hmm, so the "WhatLinksHere" feature seems invariably broken now. I do want to provide backlinks from the effects to the units and items that provide/possess them with the appropriate numbers, but that would require me to introduce a lot of semantic attributes, something that's quite a lot of labour and thus withheld me from starting to work on it. It's still on my TODO list, though.

Stavis_L March 12th, 2010 10:05 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 735283)
Hmm, so the "WhatLinksHere" feature seems invariably broken now. I do want to provide backlinks from the effects to the units and items that provide/possess them with the appropriate numbers, but that would require me to introduce a lot of semantic attributes, something that's quite a lot of labour and thus withheld me from starting to work on it. It's still on my TODO list, though.

Alternatively, you could let search robots crawl the wiki and let Google et al. do the work for you...or is that not allowed for content distribution reasons?

lch March 17th, 2010 01:55 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stavis_L (Post 735311)
Alternatively, you could let search robots crawl the wiki and let Google et al. do the work for you...or is that not allowed for content distribution reasons?

The content got green lights from Shrapnel Games and Illwinter. Huh, Google doesn't index it yet? Maybe I prevented robots from doing that. File a bug report / request in the bug tracker. ;)

zzcat March 31st, 2010 06:40 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Both wiki/Ancient_Presence and wiki/The_Citadel_of_Pyriphlegeton raises database error.

lch March 31st, 2010 03:54 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zzcat (Post 738122)
Both wiki/Ancient_Presence and wiki/The_Citadel_of_Pyriphlegeton raises database error.

Thanks, this is a bug in the Semantic MediaWiki extension that I am using. I've prepared a temporary (ugly) fix for this and will hand the bug report upstream.

lch April 17th, 2010 03:46 AM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
To silence scruples, the Dom3Wiki server is running fine, the reason that the site can't be reached since yesterday is that some technicans seems to have b0rked the networking for the whole building. When I was passing the distribution room yesterday, while the net was still working, I saw a couple of technicans in front of it, talking about what to do, apparently they managed to kill the Ciscos with whatever it is that they did.

lch June 4th, 2010 12:12 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
There will be another scheduled power cut in the building some time tomorrow, so the Dom3Wiki might be unavailable over the weekends. Enjoy your weekend, everybody!

TheDemon June 7th, 2010 06:50 PM

Re: Official release of the unofficial Dominions 3 Wiki
 
Ever since the outage I am unable to modify any pages and get a Internal Error when I try.


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