Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Llamaserver seems to be having problems today. So it may not be showing your turn if you sent it. I'll keep an eye on it. Just for your information...

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Llamaserver seems to be ok now.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Wow, sounds like somebody's upset. :) It's a very poetic rant though.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Very nice.
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Llamaserver doesn't seem to accept anything from me, not even in my other games. Perhaps it's down. If it doesn't accept it now I must kindly ask for a 12 hour delay.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Turn postponed 12 hours.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Thanks...seems like it started to work now. Turn sent in.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

It looks like Agartha staled. It was Thanksgiving day here in US but since no one asked for an extension, I left the turn as it is. Fantomen, would you like a roll back?

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Staling is no fun for anyone and I wholeheartily support to rollback if Fantomen wants that.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Yes I would like a rollback if it is ok, I thought I had one more day for some reason.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I have no problem with a rollback either.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Ulm is fine with a rollback.

We would then resubmit the last turn? I'll have to see if I can make even bigger tactical blunders this time! :ouch: !

-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Ok then I see that there is no problem for the players with a rollback in general. I am rolling back to the last turn. I have never done this before but I would assume we would need to re-submit last turn.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

The game is rolled back. Please read the info below on the llamaserver about rollbacks. It looks like we need to delete the existing 2h files first:

Tarrax: Roll back to previous turn

This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

A further reason is a difficulty with game file confusion. Imagine turn 10 has just come out, and someone starts to play the turn. Then the game is rolled back to turn 9, and processed again to make a new turn 10. Unless players delete the 2h file they produced from the original turn 10, Dominions will not know to ignore it and may get seriously confused. This can cause a lot of madness, e.g. soldiers becoming commanders and gaining magic paths, and so on. So if you do do a rollback, make sure to remind players to delete their 2h files.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I just re-submitted my turn. We'll see what happens.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

New territory for me too. Interested to see if my hero reappears.
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I think previous h2 files should be used. Agartha may send her h2 file. Ulm said: "I'll have to see if I can make even bigger tactical blunders this time!"
At my opinion, ulm lost a castle, also a very important ulm's siege was broken. It weakend him very significantly on a sizeable part of world, so i don't tjink he made some good tactics that turn. It also means that I, and, perhaps, mavreni can suffer great penalties from the fact that ulm watched our actions and their consequences. I won't resent an h2 file for now, and if ulm manage to avoid my and mavreni's results on that turn, i'll consult with mavreni about abandonding this game. Changing ulm's orders may be fatal to mavreni's surviving, and i spent some resouces on mavreni to weaken ulm.

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Oh, man, Tarrax, you are mavreni and admin of the game!
I still do not understand how you could make the decision to let Ulm redesign orders for that turn! Well, I'll stay in game, but I don't think it's a fair decision from you to give ulm critical opportunities against you. I planned that your would be able to disturbe ulm but I am not sure you would be capable to do it now.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Oh, man, Tarrax, you are mavreni and admin of the game!
I still do not understand how you could make the decision to let Ulm redesign orders for that turn! Well, I'll stay in game, but I don't think it's a fair decision from you to give ulm critical opportunities against you. I planned that your would be able to disturbe ulm but I am not sure you would be capable to do it now.

P.S. I'll also resent same 2h file.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Well, I've seen the reesults of that ridiculous rolling back. My decision is simple: i am leaving a right for myself to go to AI or redirect a rulership of my nation to anyone on your choice if that would happen once more. I've made and sent turns 33 and 34, it took some time and it's not intresting for me two play similar turns two times, especially when opponent knows what your are going to do, especially if opponent is stronger and so having more options in distributing forces.
In this particular situation the balance of forces was absolutly not so to give ulm the luxurity to remake unsuccsessful turn.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

K,
I understand your frustration. In reality the rollback both helped and hurt Ulm. I did manage to keep the castle but lost two VERY good random events. You are playing very well and hold an enemy Cap to Ulm's none. I urge you to fight on. Regain momentum with an SC that Ulm will sing songs about (like the White Bull that could not be broken).
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Well I used the same 2h file for re-submitting and actually had not even loaded the 2h file of the stale turn to see what happened. I would have assumed that everybody did the same actions or re-submit the same file but of course I can't enforce that.

I know I am the host but I am just trying to run a fair and fun game and also allow for needs of all players in real time. That's why I offered the rollback. I didn't want to cause any frustration. So I am sorry Kref.

I hope you continue this game which has been fun to me even though I'm not in good position.

As for future rollbacks, it would be nice not to have them of course. So let's say no future rollbacks unless every player explicitly agrees to them here. If you need more time for a turn, let everyone know here and I'll be glad to postpone the turn. Thanks.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I suggest to leave more time for sending turn in future. It's unlikely the player doesn't want to make his turn, so probably something happend, for example there was lost connection to internet. I think it's possible to give for example 3 days to make a turn if suddenly player didn't sent his turn in time. As long as such things happen rarely, I think it's a better solution to wait for a while.
I am staying in the game.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I agree. May be wise to even turn off quick-host. This crew is very good about getting turns in.

-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

:doh: Meant to say quickhost on with unlimited time limit.... which I think Kref was alluding to.
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Sorry for causing a delay, and thank you Tarrax for postponing.

I would like the timer set a bit longer like 48h now, what do others think?

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

48 would be fine with me.
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

48h is also fine with me but I'll wait to hear from everybody until I make the change. Meanwhile I'll keep postponing the turn 6-8 hours if it seems like someone is going to stale.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I'm ok with 48h too.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

From the look of my last turn, I'll be dead soon. Grinded to dust between Mictlan and Arcocephale. So please ignore my vote for longer turns.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

So this is it for me. Ulm's wave of warriors was too much for my bull. My mages were scattered around the stream lands. Marverni is defeated!

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Well, due to Ulm I do not have much provinces or forces to govern right now, so I generally would be able to make turns in 24 hours. I understand that it can take a much time to rule huge empires so I have nothing against 48 hours for one turn.
Also I stay on my suggestion not to make turns until everybody would sent 2h files.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

The White Bull will live in Legend.

Though Shunt the Pretender of Ulm is loath to admit it... Buyuk the White Bull could have wiped his hinder in toe to toe combat.

-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Agartha yields to superior force, good work Arco and Mictlan!

Thanks to all for playing with me and special thanks to Tarrax for his most exellent admining.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I've just sent my turn 47. However, I will be away this week-end and beginning of next week. Would it be possible to delay hosting for turn 48 until Tuesday night, please?

Thanks,

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Turn 48 postponed by 48 hours at jmb's request.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Thanks, but it looks like it didn't work and the turn hosted anyway :(

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Sorry to hear. That is odd. I postponed for 48 hours which had postponed the game until 09:00 GMT on Tuesday. Maybe you didn't mean GMT? It always helps to specify hour and timezone instead of day/night.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Well, according to the times of the turns I received, turn 48 was sent on Saturday at 10 AM, then I staled for turns 49 and 50 which were sent on Sunday at 4 PM and on Tuesday at 10 AM respectively, so it seems something went wrong with the postponement :(

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I only postponed turn 48 for 48 hours. You realize when a turn hosts, it resets the turn period to default (24 hours), right? Maybe that's what happened. Turn 48 hosted during the weekend (which means everybody including you must have sent files). I didn't do additional postponing for turn 49 since you said you'll be back on Tuesday for turn 48.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

JMB,
That is a bummer. I will let you retake 7 and 17 from AI Agartha (I was going to take them this turn). Not much but hope that takes some sting out.
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Yeah, that's probably what it was: a misunderstanding on which turn I wanted delayed :(

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Let it be said the giants of Fomoria fought as living legends, standing fast to the last giant. Ulm's nose was bloodied repeatedly by a handful of mages that would not yield a eyelash defending their capital. There became a sense of delicious frustration as repeated castle stormings were turned back by clever tactics. Attrition finally swung the campaign after many failed breach attempts. Then, against all odds, a lone Fomorian scout captured a remote territory single handedly the turn the capital fell. The scout defeated an Ulm commander, swordsman and archer with viscious skill. His name is engraved next to Ulm's own heros in the Capital Hall of Heroes.

-Entri
Scribe of Shunt

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

Congratulations for Ulm!
Fighting his forces gave me valuable experience in general and in Fomorian strategies.
It would be intresting to see the result of this game )

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...=41304&page=18

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44537

Svamptripp was r'lyeh. It looks like he's about to stale his fifth consecutive turn here. If you have any info PM Quitti. If you need a sub, post for one. I might be interested after Christmas, but I can't add another game right now.

Thought you guys should know.

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

He's right. Mictlan needs a sub. Perhaos even Kref or Tarrax. Going against a blood nation (eventually) will be very very nasty...
-ssj

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I think we should pause the game until we hear from Svamptripp or find a sub for Mictlan. Otherwise, we might as well declare the game to be over with Ulm as the winner, since I certainly can't win at this point...

Re: Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map
 

I postponed the turn for 7 days (I will keep postponing until we find a sub). I also changed the title of this thread to show we are looking for a sub. We'll see how it goes.