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FASTBOAT TOUGH October 8th, 2017 12:04 PM

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Tried something didn't work. Any help to get PDF document from my files to here without paying ADOBE would be great! I'm sitting on some good stuff I'll otherwise just have to delete from my PC as I can look them over only so many times myself. THANKS!

Regards,
Pat
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DRG October 8th, 2017 03:33 PM

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zip it up and post it as an attachment

FASTBOAT TOUGH October 8th, 2017 06:12 PM

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Alright, first thank you Don. Second hope I did this right. So hopefully first up as I remember, this from JANE's a look at some of the challenges Russian was/is facing in modernizing their ground forces.
Attachment 14942

Next up is a very good understanding how defense issues are looked at from the top. In this case the UK from the end of WWII through 2010 (Which many at the time was a defense killer. Has since been modified however the cuts still are deep.)
Attachment 14943

Finally a simple but very good look at APS and other protective armor systems out there. If you didn't know already, Russia was the first to have them onboard later versions of the T-55. Though the assessment was done in 2006, you'll find it very current on the systems as are used now. You'll also find an APS system I never knew the U.S. was trying to develop. I don't know (Though likely.) if it was one of the five or so systems tested that would lead the USA to chose the TROPHY system already currently mounted on a handful of M1A2 SEP V2 tanks. The contract as it stands now is to retro fit 145 of those tanks with the system to be completed by 2019.
Attachment 14944

Time to delete some files. Well not until someone tells me it works anyway.

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH April 22nd, 2019 02:07 AM

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Just reading my "papers" and I found this a most interesting ref. on the current status of Polish weapons systems as far as upgrades, new equipment and where they are with the Germans concerning the development of the Euro LEOPARD.
https://www.defence24.com/president-...our-priorities

Regards,
Pat
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anlubue April 22nd, 2019 09:37 AM

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Attachment 15738

Attachment 15739


Hello Pat, it was made with:
https://en.pdf24.org/creator.html


Free software of about 70MB, it is uncomplicated and honest.
I'm not sure if it's okay to leave this link here? Somehow it looks like marketing. That's why I exchanged the download link for an informational link.

I just wanted to say that you can use it to manage all possible images and text sheets of different endings in a simple user interface, merge and what else.

Boah this sounds even more advertising.

FASTBOAT TOUGH July 22nd, 2019 11:44 PM

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I feel this a good place for the next. This item has been reported by the AP News Agency (Seems to be the first.) within the last 50 minutes or so. Time wise (12:29pm/+13hrs from me.) in Seoul S. Korea now.) it seems sometime this morning local time, South Korean jets fired "warning shots" at several Russian jets that had violated their airspace. It also appears the Chinese did the same later in the morning.

Aren't you glad we keep the OOB's updated? Now you have some game options you can exercise, which I hope is the "only place" that option gets exercised.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...id=mailsignout

Story starting to hit the web now. For me, chalking it up to a test of S. Koreas response and capabilities.

Regards,
Pat
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DRG July 23rd, 2019 06:46 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/asia/...hnk/index.html

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 22nd, 2020 02:39 PM

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With a long history of conflict, it seems the relations with Pakistan (Over Kashmir) of late is "a walk in the park" compared to what's currently going on between India and China where blood has already been shed earlier this month. Will this flare up into a small war such as happened in 1964, I believe it's hard to say, but at the same time plausible. From "Broadsword" a series of articles are provided. I hope you'll note the "escalation" from May compared to June in the number of them written. Also for the reader, I posted about 2 or 3 articles on armored exercises going on in Tibet by the Chinese.
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...er-ladakh.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...ne-thrice.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...unterpart.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...usion-can.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...rusion-by.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...se-refuse.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...ne-claims.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...n-cooling.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...llery-and.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...-soldiers.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...apable-of.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...in-ladakh.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...hal-blows.html

The last from today
, I believe that's 14 articles in a month. This bears some watching as we also prepare to step up Naval Operations in the South China Sea region and surrounding area ourselves.

Though plenty above for a developer, my concern is focused on the potential real world implications of all this activity in the region.

Older articles and some newer ones:
Belgium: Rearming and expanding with change in doctrine.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...ment_plan.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...ne_change.html

China:
As discussed above.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/june...exercises.html

NATO:
Deploying to the East and a continuance of outside events influencing Defense Budgets. Norway looking into new tanks, currently still ongoing.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...st_europe.html
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...ook-like-2018/
https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...n_project.html

Romania:
Increasing Defense Budget through 2023 on 5 year plan.
https://www.army-technology.com/news...ch-7-6bn-2023/

Russia:
Defense hardware delivery day 2019!
https://www.armyrecognition.com/anal..._day_2019.html

UPDATED EDIT/SOUTH AFRICA:
Major multi-year projects. What's missing (And needed.) is any mention to improving or replacing their MBT's. With ABRAMS and more recently the VT-4 being present in Africa, South Africa's tanks are going to fall behind if the trend continues with the other African countries in updating their own military capabilities.
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/feature...nd-programmes/

Sweden:
Rearming to counter Russian threat.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_..._rearming.html
That picture clearly shows what I've been talking about concerning the additional "top armor" they had KMW add on their new built custom LEOPARD tanks.

Ukraine: The Ukraine takes a "big step" with NATO.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/june...s_partner.html

USA:
Well could we be that "stupid" again!?! I hope not, but, then again nothing would surprise me at this point. :rolleyes:
https://www.defence24.com/gen-hodges...ft-for-kremlin

Well that completely cleaned out that folder!! I wish that could happen to a couple of others, however, I'm an "optimistic realist" ;) so that'll never happen!! :D

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH June 23rd, 2020 11:42 AM

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Just cleaning up my "FAVORITES" section where I have some "unassigned" items I never got into an appropriate folder. These are both concerning DENMARK. The first is a "status of forces" article to include dispositions etc., it's an "easy" but through review. I believe this was meant to support a scenario involving the invasion of Denmark by Russia I believe at the time.

This status of forces is from the 2011/2012 timeframe.
https://www2.forsvaret.dk/eng/About/...Figures_UK.pdf

The next is from the Danish Defense website. The reason I had was for an article by them in which they had completely reorganized their artillery force makeup and organization around 5-7 years ago, unfortunately I don't think I had posted it and now might be lost. It would've caused changes to have been made in the OOB. I'll have to search for it (Even though I can hear Don saying...Please don't...!

What is useful and current is that it shows current units and locations and force structure, in this case for the Army.
https://www2.forsvaret.dk/eng/Organi...anishArmy.aspx

Back to the grind, have a good day!

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH September 27th, 2020 01:07 PM

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A couple of issues that I've brought up here and in the other threads.

1) Since I posted about the current tensions between India and China about a month ago (I'm leaving this last part, time is slipping by faster then I thought, as it was in June when I posted last on this issue. We need a race car E-M-E JOE! :D :doh:) , the situation is still tense, they've have one or two skirmishes, India has outmaneuvered China in taking a strategic area, effectively blocking China from any further moves in the disputed territories without causing a major escalation of military force.

I see a golden opportunity here a set of "what if" scenarios or a campaign, that has real world implications for another "mini-war" as occurred I believe it was in 1964 or worse. Make no mistake, SE Asia and the Pacific Rim countries are watching this very closely given Chinas recent actions in that part of the world. If you don't believe me, simply look to see what Vietnam and some of it's "neighbors" have been doing to modernize their respective militaries in the especially last 5yrs.

I've taken the liberty post the most recent articles from BROADSWORD. In the Western World (At least not publicly.), you're not seeing this being reported, some of the Asian sources are following this and locally the "tenor" of the articles below [speak for themselves.
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...lagf-compared/
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...th-indian.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...attle-for.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...nt-we-are.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...re-on-lac.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...ippur-war.html
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020...its-first.html


2) Well the UK isn't calling it a "SDR" (Thank God as they've proved to be not good for the MOD.) but the following sure sounds on the surface like it is. As I noted in the APC/MBT Threads it could have far reaching consequences for their armor. From the ref...

"The Integrated Review has been billed as the ‘deepest’ review of the UK’s defence policy since the Cold War. It has so far seen rumours of deep cuts to the British Army’s personnel count, as well reported plans to mothball the UK’s fleet of Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) and Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs) which were recently denied by Wallace."

OK, maybe it is worst then the past SDR's!?! :shock:

The problem for me is this isn't the only place I've seen the word "rumour/rumours used.
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...grated-review/

3) Germany making a power play to "strengthen" NATO. Where are we? Well surprisingly more engaged then I thought we would be, but then we are talking about defense contractors in this article as well. :rolleyes:
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e..._source=clavis

4) I believe I posted these already, if not or just to empty out this folder, you're getting them again!!! :D :p
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...n-land-systems
https://www.armyrecognition.com/weap...rade_2020.html


Now to start enjoying my weekend, I hope you can enjoy the rest of yours.

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH October 30th, 2020 12:05 PM

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Well another complication has been added to UK's current defense situation the loss of a multi-year budget. Also I wish to quote from the article as this is the first I've seen in a "simple" format of what the cost of COVID-19 has meant to a major government.

"The pandemic has wiped around 20 years’ worth of growth off of the UK’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP)."

These type of issues will "trickle down" into budgets of any government to where decisions will have to be made to best use the funds available. Defense as history has shown, is normally the first to suffer from them.
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...nce-secretary/

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH November 21st, 2020 07:32 AM

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A glimmer of hope hope coming out of the UK, with also a delay of the Integrated Defense Review release from this month until January 2021 at earliest. So far the winners are their plans to set up a Space Command, Cyber Systems (w/Offensive Capabilities), RN TYPE 26/31 Frigate Program and the RAF TEMPEST Eurofighter replacement program.

No mention of the Army Land Programs (Armor) mentioned in this article. So we "punt" again and what else is new there!?! :rolleyes:
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...ding-increase/

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH February 8th, 2021 09:39 PM

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I found this very interesting...

From the Navy Technology website...

"9. 9DASHLINE’s tweet on discovery of Chinese submarine drone in the Indian Ocean
9DASHLINE, a website providing analysis on the Indo-Pacific region, shared an article on a Chinese submarine drone being discovered near the Selayar Island in South Sulawesi province in Indonesia. The drone was found by Indonesian fishermen and may have been assessing Indonesian waters to evaluate potential ways to penetrate into the Indian Ocean.

The glider drone was found near two strategic routes between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea, the Lombok Strait and the Sunda Strait. This raises concerns over the possibility of the Chinese Navy collecting significant information via the drones to utilize the two straits during future hostilities."

The next I'll call "The 2/3's you'll rarely see." USS Tennessee was the first Trident Submarine to come to NAVSUBASE KBAY in early 1990.

If you click on the "tweet" pictures they'll "blow up" for a better look.

However the above ones have a shot a little after Sunrise as it's about to transition to the Drydock controller.

In all the pictures you'll see the diesel is running to provide power (And not propulsion.) to the boat.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ph...e=BB1dt3lJ_1|4

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH April 25th, 2022 11:38 PM

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Putin and his advisors had made another what will become a major political miscalculation when he invaded the Ukraine. For decades (Since 1949) Finland has been "straddling the fence" with its relationship with the West and Russia.

They've pretty much maintained a position of neutrality with the exception of having become part of the Nordic Defense Cooperation (NORDEFCO) formed in NOV. 2009 the member nations being Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden. There were earlier attempts for such an organization, but they failed.

But I'm sure some of you realize that three of the above countries are in NATO already, Denmark, Iceland and Norway leaving Sweden as a neutral country and as noted above Finland being nominally neutral.

So, Russia invades the Ukraine, and no one is feeling safe in Europe any longer. For many the memory of WWII is not forgotten we see it in the interviews of the grandmothers of the Ukraine.

But in particular for Finland that has fought the Russians twice in the last century, have to wonder how safe they really are sharing over an 800-mile-long border with Russia.

This has been building for a while now but more so since the invasion along with the various threats from Putin of "don't think about it and don't do it" well Putin has galvanized Europe and NATO like no one has before for many decades along with the strong support of the U.S. It would seem having ARTICLE V in your back pocket is "worth its weight in gold".

So earlier today the decision has been made after many weeks of negotiations, Sweden and Finland have both applied together to formally join NATO, it is expected this process will be fast tracked and approved by the other NATO members by mid-May
First for context:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...6683b90ba5ee4f.

Decision to join:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...638c01b1d8bcc7
https://www.business-standard.com/ar...91c0dd05a91ed4
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...2d0bdccb9c58c1


Germany working behind the scenes to recently allow some Baltic nations to supply artillery to the Ukraine. But there has been reluctance on the part of the German government to directly themselves to supply those same heavy weapons themselves.

We have recently in the last week seen Germany offer up heavy artillery the issue is what about armor. I've already reported on KMW offering the GEPHARD and Rheinmetall the MARDER and LEOPARD A1 tank. Specifically, the MARDER 1A3 and LEOPARD 1A5 (As I predicted.) can be CONFIRMED.

So now after both domestic and foreign pressure to do more a decision is forthcoming.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ba432bc40a4daa
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html


Ukraine needs "Russian" ammo well, we got that covered too.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...nian_army.html


Regards,
Pat
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DRG April 26th, 2022 08:24 AM

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I knew the Brits has sent Starstreaks but there were hints, but I found nothing that confirmed that Stormer Starstreaks were included but a sidebar to that article you posted does confirm that

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._vehicles.html

But the patches are locked down and in Shrapnel's hands and I am not rebuilding them again so anyone interested who does not PBEM or keeps a separate game for PBEM and another for personal use when the patches are posted ( likely tomorrow ) can copy UK unit 436 into the Ukrainian OOB into slot 299 and change the slot 1 weapon number to 129. The start date is 5/122 and that will match what I have already done.

And, as usual, the OOBs for both master games are already different than the ones not yet released but that is the nature of a constantly evolving situation

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 26th, 2022 01:41 PM

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Well, I guess Don is still "in the game" so I won't repost what he has already done. But yes, STORMER STARSTREAK is in with the appropriate START date as Don has suggested.

And as a further follow-up to Post #64 above and "proof" :doh: that the German Gov't follows my posts I give you this...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

UKRAINE/COPY/GERMAN/UNIT 093/GEPARD A3/START/MAY 2022/END/DEC 2025/50 UNITS TO BE DELIVERED//

Work!!!

Regards,
Pat
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DRG April 26th, 2022 03:08 PM

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The GEPARD in the Ukrainian OOB in the next patch starts 8/122 but that's the info I was working with when it went in so if anyone wants it in 5/122 needs to learn to use MOBHack

DRG April 26th, 2022 04:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 852376)
Well, I guess Don is still "in the game"

Don't build your hopes up too high.......

FASTBOAT TOUGH May 16th, 2022 04:09 PM

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Potentially Russia will have a new 800-mile border with a NATO partner. Finland applied yesterday and Sweden earlier this morning east coast time. McDonalds to sell all 800 units they own in Russia but, they'll continue to pay all 60,000 employees until a buyer is found. Just not a good day for Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e4d8e24c6d08bb
(Covered by MSN reported by the AP)


You judge for yourselves.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...c5255b1f161e3c
(Covered by MSN reported by NEWSWEEK)


Regards,
Pat
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Aeraaa May 16th, 2022 04:17 PM

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Well, the Swedes/Finns have to pass through the Bosphorus straits first...


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internatio...5983746_4.html

FASTBOAT TOUGH May 16th, 2022 07:04 PM

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I believe the following to be a very good appraisal of the situation and how Turkey will end up I believe supporting Finland and Sweden's applications to join NATO. I also like it's sourced from the Middle East; the perspective is valuable in that lest we forget, Turkey is a Islamic nation.
https://themedialine.org/top-stories...weden-finland/

Another perspective but first, Humeyra Pamuk co-author of the next is from Turkey and in Ankara for Reuters.
https://news.yahoo.com/nato-expects-...152511980.html

Well, what are we doing? The normal diplomatic stuff but materially a whole bunch of new advanced F-16 fighters. "Uncle Joe" is already laying the groundwork for this and you can expect bi-partisan support for it.

And yes, the F-35 is still off the table since Turkey bought and has since fielded the S-400 system.

This vote could happen possibly by the end of this week.

The Baltic Sea and the strategic Gotland, Fårö and Gotska Sandön Islands are the major issues for countries like Norway and Germany and by extension-the U.S. and others (Like Finland and Sweden).

Regards,
Pat
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DRG May 16th, 2022 09:31 PM

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I'm betting "The Transcarpathian Beavers." sounds better in Ukrainian......

Karagin May 16th, 2022 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 852620)
I'm betting "The Transcarpathian Beavers." sounds better in Ukrainian......

Vol. 1 or Vol. 2?

DRG May 17th, 2022 02:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 852619)
I believe the following to be a very good appraisal of the situation and how Turkey will end up I believe supporting Finland and Sweden's applications to join NATO. I also like it's sourced from the Middle East; the perspective is valuable in that lest we forget, Turkey is a Islamic nation.
https://themedialine.org/top-stories...weden-finland/

Another perspective but first, Humeyra Pamuk co-author of the next is from Turkey and in Ankara for Reuters.
https://news.yahoo.com/nato-expects-...152511980.html

Regards,
Pat
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I wouldn't bet big money on it going either way.

I only have a urethral understanding of what the Swedes or Finns may have done to annoy the Turks but thinking perhaps it involves the Kurds in some way but........ the bigger and more diverse an alliance gets, the more chance of internal conflict arising. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

The range of possibilities is wide

Not that long ago in the big scheme of things Russian, Great Britain and the United States were "allies" too.......

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 7th, 2022 01:49 AM

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I believe the following is a fair assessment of the current situation in the Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...f89d655015bef6

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH August 7th, 2022 04:52 PM

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I haven't posted anything on this story until I saw this one that supports some of what I've seen come out of the UK government sources. This is more about what is described in this article on what's going on "behind the lines" that I referred to above concerning the UK sources.

From the below as to the source of this article:
"Speaking with DW on Saturday, Nico Lange, a German lawmaker and chief of staff for the country's Federal Minister of Defense,"

Might be worth a look, the "dinner bell is ringing!!" :p
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...34a0fbf742799e


UPDATE:

After dinner the following is reported to support what was posted above Russian appointed administrators are being assassinated in Russian held territory for some time now.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...87eabbaaf484fe


Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH September 11th, 2022 10:10 PM

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I find the following worthwhile in posting here as it represents a major shift to the situation in the Ukraine specifically in the Kharkiv region in the North. It appears a rout of Russian forces is at hand in that area as reported by MOD/DOD and some very well-known military thinktanks. If so; this is very bad news for the South and possibly Crimea (Though for now that might be a reach.).

What is important here is the clock has shifted in favor of the Ukraine. They need to keep pushing and maintain pressure on the Russian forces. And more importantly, it looks like they'll make it to Winter as this will allow them to train, resupply, rearm and more importantly reduce the OPTEMPO.

The "suspicious" or "contrarian" side in me is wondering if Russia is doing this on purpose. Maybe they might just want to consolidate some of their forces on the border and shift the rest to the South or just reenforce Crimea. As the article points out, "Amid the progress of Ukrainian forces, Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said on Sunday that Russia would be prepared to sit down for peace talks."

Russia's goal will be to sue for terms to reestablish the 2014 border. However, Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s President they intend to reclaim their rightful pre-2014 border which even Russia had approved after the fall of the Soviet Union by UN resolution.

My answer would be to take down that bridge from Crimea to Russia and "bottle up" their Black Sea Fleet North of it and isolate the rest to the South of it unless Turkey will allow them to withdraw the remaining ships through the Turkish Straits (the Bosporus and Dardanelles). Obviously, this would also cripple their ability to both reenforce and resupply their units. I would see what Russia offered, that being said if the terms aren't acceptable the bridge must go. :p

Of course, the last 3 paras are my simple analysis and opinion of the current situation. :D
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...7f123421faca73
And related to the above...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...9c5699240ee9df


In war you'll find out who your friends really are by the weapons they supply you.

Regards,
Pat
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DRG September 12th, 2022 08:30 AM

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That bridge from Crimea to Russia has been an obvious target from the start and I've thought that Ukraine must be waiting for just the right moment to render it unusable.

Timing is everything...

FASTBOAT TOUGH September 12th, 2022 05:12 PM

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Now that bridge is in range of their new missiles along HIMARS/MARS II/MLRS-E rockets.

"Great battles are won with artillery."

Napoleon Bonaparte


I would say"...with better artillery."

Russia had the advantage and instead of using it on the battlefield as they did to great effect in WWII, they chose to focus mostly on shelling cities beyond the front for no tactical or strategic purpose. It sure wasn't for "winning the hearts and minds" of the population living in those areas.

You have to keep your "eye on the ball" which is where the enemy is directly around you. Ukraine is showing us how a smaller focused force can be effective against a larger and "better" equipped one.

I'm certain some western armies will/have taken away many "lesson learned" from this war to date and beyond.

But it is too soon to say the Russians are completely out of this war. However, reports in the last 24hrs. are indicating great quantities of tanks and other vehicles and large stocks of ammo are just being abandoned on the battlefield.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-.../32029623.html

There's plenty more out there besides this above. This from 8hrs. ago.


Regards,
Pat
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DRG September 13th, 2022 07:40 AM

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That one photo of the Orlan-10 with duct tape on the horizontal stabilizer was "interesting" and the one showing "The vehicle was partly covered by a tarpaulin that would have helped to hide it from drones. "
........ had it been camo or netted maybe but a BRIGHT GREEN tarp only attracts attention and the way it's been set up seems to show it full of rainwater...........thinking something else was going on.....repairs maybe

DRG September 13th, 2022 08:11 AM

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https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-coun.../32028687.html

Quote:

And while credit has been given to the tenacity of their soldiers, Ukrainians have also benefited from a firehose of powerful Western weaponry: U.S. long-range HIMARS artillery systems, M777 howitzers, high-speed anti-radiation missiles, French-made Caesar howitzers, and German-made Panzerhaubitze self-propelled artillery.

That has allowed the Ukrainians to fire, with pinpoint precision, at targets -- for example, bridges over the Dnieper River or command posts in the Kharkiv and Luhansk regions -- from distances harder for Russian artillery to reach.

FASTBOAT TOUGH September 15th, 2022 12:31 PM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Well, it appears "Operation Deception"-Mine has thus far been a rousing success. According to the following article (Atlantic is a well-respected publication.) this was a well-planned operation and held close for quite some time.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...pyansk/671407/

The rest is further follow-up on Germany. Germany will and does hold the key to the heavy armor situation when it comes to the Ukraine getting Western tanks. We also do to a lesser extent but I'm not seeing happening at our end any time soon.

It'll take Germany to make the first move then maybe others will follow suit. By progression.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...idgelayer.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...aine_army.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...st/ar-AA11PH73


Regards,
Pat
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Karagin September 15th, 2022 01:13 PM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Yeah, going to disagree with you on your stand on the Atlantic. I would trust the National Enquire before trusting them.

The rest is though is interesting.

DRG October 8th, 2022 09:36 AM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 853150)
That bridge from Crimea to Russia has been an obvious target from the start and I've thought that Ukraine must be waiting for just the right moment to render it unusable.

Timing is everything...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY VLADIMIR

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/bre...ns-Russia.html


Now, this raises a question......... WHY would there be a Ukrainian Truck allowed on the bridge ?..........IF indeed it was a "Ukrainian Truck"

EDIT 1
This could have just been a simple accident on the bridge that is being spun into a " Ukrainian Terrorist incident"...........if one of your ammo trucks blew up and rendered a critical supply route impassible would you blame your own people or the "enemy" ?

EDIT 2

OTOH.........

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/08/europ...osion-intl-hnk

Mute the talking heads and watch what happens between 10 and :13 seconds

It does not appear the explosion originated ON the bridge. It APPEARS to come from the right side under the bridge

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 3rd, 2023 11:17 PM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE "PI"!!

FOR NAVY IT WAS A "SAILORS PARADISE"!!

To more serious business we are GOING back for different reasons...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...84ce3665&ei=18

Regards,
Pat
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Suhiir April 4th, 2023 06:31 PM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Hey!
I rather liked Subic Bay.
And Olongapo was certainly an "experience".

FASTBOAT TOUGH November 17th, 2024 11:34 PM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Well, I guess this will be my own "White Paper".

So far, the North Koreans are still in Russia and possibly be moving into Russian occupied territory in the Ukraine. It has already been confirmed that North Korean officers are training and getting the "lay of the land" in those occupied areas.

It is my belief IF the decision is made to use the NK troops I feel the blow will come from one of two directions...

1) An attack from the SE side of the KURSK Salient with the attack both to break the salient and with a strong task force to get behind/under the salient to cut off the retreat/or force it to occur with the mission to capture or destroy as much of the Ukrainian forces there.

2 With the current Russian offensive underway another option is to support a further offensive on the part of Russia to break the salient, that the NK to commit all their forces to either envelop the salient or cross the border to take Ukrainian territory adjacent to the salient to take territory but more importantly engage the Ukrainian forces protecting the Eastern flank of the border and salient. In this case it would not allow for reinforcements from that direction but more importantly force the Ukraine to make some hard decisions on how to allocate their limited forces.

3 I would think a "feint" in strength of a couple of divisions (Or more.) 200 - 300 miles further to the SE along the current battle front a week or so before the two above might draw off some Ukrainian forces from the above area. The 43rd Mech. Brigade can't be everywhere.

This is a race against time at best those forces if used for such an attack need to do it in less than two months before the weather turns everything to mud.

Not all is lost as the Ukraine will be getting almost two fully trained divisions notably from France along with Poland and I believe maybe Belgium or Denmark. They will arrive home fully equipped in transit (France) or be "mated up" with prepositioned equipment.

Whatever the case the "clock is ticking".

Why am I doing this? Just ask yourself when the last time in the modern era in a major operation sent infantry into action without its artillery.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...cket-launchers
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...oop-deployment


South Korea is now a player they have by now sent a team of military and intelligence advisors into the Ukraine. Also, they are not ruling out direct military equipment aid to the Ukrainians. South Korea is seeing this as a "redline" which could destabilize the peninsula if not confronted in the Ukraine.

Poland they've been on "higher level" of alert.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...russian-border

Up to 10 to 15K troops are still believed to be on the border with Belarus the following is for context and does a good job to explain why.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66410230

Back to my "Sat." off.

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH November 19th, 2024 02:30 AM

Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
 
Well, this time I have a "Green Paper" I'm so thankful that Russia has such overwhelming pride in their Navy. Afterall if not for the Navy, Communist Russia might never have come into existence. It certainly has been debated on and off since its inception.

So, what has that "pride" got them? Well with what they've spent on the following I'll suggest it has cost them the finances to fix the problems with the T-14 ARMATA and Su-57 FALON for starters and around 4 highly modern and battle capable destroyers or since Russia likes their bigger "show the flag" type ships 2 maybe 3 Cruisers.

I fully agree with this article that the sanctions in place before the invasion and since are having an effect on their military. Some might remember I posted a couple of articles of "advanced" Russian jets shot down with store bought compasses mounted in the cockpits you can buy at Walmart at the beginning of the war.

The Admiral Nakhimov is certainly the "poster child" for corruption, inefficiency and again pride as displayed also by the above two other projects as well.

So, I say in the highest tradition of the Navy "Carry on! ".

I've seen this ship "somewhere" ;) and in their prime they were "Bad Asx" deserving of a cruise missile strike or spread of four Mk 48's if you can get into range to fire them. But that wouldn't make for a "fun day" though.

The second picture as you scroll down clearly shows forward of the super structure the various missile tubes it has. That's a "world of hurt" and back in the 80'S she probably carried some to use our terminology TLAM-N cruise missiles.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...6d1516e&ei=44#

Somewhat declassified now I see. Had a couple of guys who were on there but typical for us, they never talked about what and where they were. :p
As you might notice in the below ref., we all understood this possibility existed another reason we are all volunteers.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ct-mode-208424


Regards,
Pat
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