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These teams have still not submitted their nation picks. Please get them in now...

4. Juffos + Hermeister
11. Alpine Joe + Ghoul31
12. Agent Smith + Hoplosterum ??

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I'm still waiting for the above teams to get their nation picks in. Allow me to help:

Step 1) Get on your computer :computer:

Step 2) Talk to your teammate :shake:

Step 3) Send me your nation picks via PM :typing:


The above is the correct way of doing things. Please do not follow the alternative plan of wasting the game admin's time before the game has already begun. It will not go well for you...

:tough:

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I'll pick teams for them:
1) EA Helheim and MA Machaka
2) MA C'tis and EA Caelum
3) EA Ulm and MA Mictlan

There. Let's start!

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No, no. I retain that right as punishment for not getting nation picks in promptly. I will be... creative.

However, you all should ponder the wisdom of allowing players to play in your game who (apparently) cannot even get themselves together enough to submit nation picks.

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I have recieved all but one team's nation picks and decided to just go ahead and assign nations. The team that dropped the ball is getting a random pairing.

Picks will be ready tomorrow afternoon.

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I'm stepping in as a sub for militarist's partner. Give us an hour and I'll send you our nation picks.

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Ironhawk was joking :P BTW, militarist has sent his picks in, with previous teammate, but you'd want to send modified ones in probably.

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Nation picks have been finalized and PM'd back to the person who sent me your original picks. If you did not receive your teams nation pairing, please PM me.

In order to place all the nations on the map I will now need to hear from each of you again, telling me which player should be near the caves and which near the plains.

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Hi guys.

I've got an invitation from Militarist and Zeldor to play in this game. (Thank you guys!)It is very tempting - I never played in such unusual format before. However I am already commited to two games - one that just started, and another I am orginizing right now. I have a question - what will be a hosting time for this game?


I am interested in joining you but I don't have a teammate. And since I've been away from Dom3 scene for a year and half, I am not in the loop of things regarding the current list of good Dom3 MP players. Nevertheless I would only play this game if I will have a strong player as a teammate (don't get me wrong, I have nothing against newbie players, it just that since MP is such a huge time commitment when played properly, and since in a team game you strongly depends on your partner, it would feel bad to me to lose the game because of weak partner)

Brief info about myself - I have about 6 years of experience in Dom2 and Dom3 MP games. During the last year or two of me actively playing MP Dom3 I've won somewhere between every 3rd to every 2nd veterans-only MP games I've been playing. However as I've mentioned it's been a year and half ago, so naturally my Dom skills are a little rusty at this moment, and I have never played games with CBM mod.

Bottom line: If there is a strong player without a team somewhere around here, who have enough time for the game and for working closely with his partner, I would be very glad to join your game with him as a partner. (I think that cooperation here is very important, since although I never played an official team game, I know that close cooperation and sharing plans, intelligence info and resources is often critical with allies. But I hope that the game would still take less time overall than a normal game with diplomacy, since you only deal with one player.)

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Join IRC :)

Anyway, it's Juffos teammate that's pretty much dropping out of the game. I don't know if he is still willing to play, I talked to him briefly on IRC and suggested to contact you. So you should try to talk to him, preferably on IRC, and either team with him, or find a teammate [I can suggest you someone on IRC, if Juffos option fails].

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All right, Juffos and me will be forming a team. We should be able to get in touch with each other today, probably on IRC. We will sort out our nation situation ASAP and contact IronHawk.

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"- suiciding mages/priests intentionally to turn them undead"

That's not cheating! You're the awakening God, and you command your minions to die, promising that they will live again through your splendid intervention. I don't see a problem here...

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It's a problem when someone makes tens of reanimators for a nation that does not have them. Also upkeep free researchers. Sure, it's tricky, but some people have proven to be able to take it to the extreme.

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It's also an issue with "intentional". If I do that with a reverse communion in an actual battle, is that "intentional"? Certainly, it's an expected outcome of using mages as reverse-communion thugs; and if you're going to do that, it's prudent to have them twiceborn first.

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Intentional would be things like sending remote attacks on your prov, where you have mages doing suicidal stuff. I am talking about obvious stuff only :)

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Yes, standing your mage/priests next to bog beasts with LAD up when they're not poison immune is pretty obvious - you shouldn't do that.

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In case anyone was wondering - I have not posted the nation picks because the newly formed team of Corwin/Juffos hasnt had a chance to make their selection yet. And I cant post a partial list because that would implicitly reveal information about which team was which.

In the meantime, please make sure that you have sent me the position information for your team (cave/plains). That way we can get the game going as fast as possible.

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Ok, Juffos and I have made our nation pick. I will be sending PM to Ironhawk in a minute.

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Ok, final nation assignments are as follows:

Patala LA Mari
Lanka EA Agartha
EA Arco EA Ctis
LA Ulm Bandar Log
MA Man EA Mict
MA Arco EA Kailasa
EA Yomi LA Abysia
Sauro MA Machaka
Ma TC Ma Marignon
Shin MA Pyth
MA Aby MA Jot
LA Utgard LA Bogarus

Will try and get to placing the nations tonight (assuming everyone has sent me their position information)...

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HA HA HA HA!

This fits into our plans perfectly. Perfectly!

None will be able to stand against us.

A lot fewer rainbows than I'd expected.

Lessee, we got a lot of love for monkey summons:
LA Patala / LA Marig (8) - weak in death (summons fix that)
LA Ulm / Bandar Log (10) - weak in fire *and* air
However, neither of these teams is going to survive long enough to use them. Just because you *can* make a team to hand blood slaves over for monkey summons, doesn't mean you *should*.

Three very lopsided teams:
Lanka / EA Agartha (10) - weak in ASTRAL! Oh, the hillarity.
MA Man / EA Mict (10) - weak in earth.
Saur / Machaka (10) - weak in air
Their assymetry will be their downfall. Except Lanka / EA Agartha which spent all their points for the privelege of having "victim" stenciled on their head in magic marker, which they can't see because they don't have astral.

Just plain mysterious:
EA Arco / EA C'tis (8) - This is not the 8 bid I would've expected. Must've really wanted this combo.... for SIRRUSH! That's the evil plan. Weak in blood.
MA Arco / Kailasa (9) - I agree that Kailasa is a bargain at 4, but why not make a good team? Will probably put Arco in the middle thinking that elephants will help somehow. Weak in blood, air and death.
MA TC / MA Marig (9) - Weak in death and blood. Plans to somehow conquer the world with crossbowmen.
MA Aby / MA Jot (11) - has 11 points to spend and *still* weak in earth and air. That's an achievement.
Probably one of these randomly generated pairings will luck out and win. Or all four teams will be in smoking ruins by turn 20.

Finally, we come to the actually good teams:
MA Pythium / Shinuyama (11) Now *that* is what you spend 11 points on. Weak only in blood, powerful military for quick early expansion, plenty of research potential.
EA Yomi / LA Abysia (10) Weak in air and water. Strong in crushing you. With a strong researcher like LA Abysia backing them up, double-bless Dai Oni become fearsome indeed.
LA Utgard / LA Bogarus (9) Weak only in earth. How the hell did Bogarus get priced at 3 in a team game? My prediction - will put Bogarus towards the plains, just to totally blow our minds; also, to kill us all with thunderstrike communions while Utgard heads for demon lords or something without interference.

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Where did you put yourself, DrPraetorious?
"Just plain mysterious" probably :)?

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I agree with you Dr. P on the ones you listed as obviously good, but I think you missed a couple synergies on the other teams.

I'm a bit surprised MA Ulm didn't get picked at all for a team game. I didn’t pick it because I thought it’d be in high contention…

Patala/LA Mari - I'm not so sure blood slaves are being pushed to the monkey summons here. Patala makes an awesome forge ***** and fallen angels are just as cost efficient as any of the monkey summons – particularly with a nice bless. Could be Patala focuses on const while mari focusses on blood initially, then it may make sense for Patala to pick up the conj summons. Monkey blood summons will come out eventually, but I think fallen angels are the faster payout here which is something to consider with a seemingly weak early game.

Bandar/LA Ulm - This one does seem more likely to focus on the monkey blood summons, but theres also some interesting rushes that could be leveraged with these game settings with the monkey astral summons and Ulm's forge bonus. I don't think I agree this one is weak early, LA Ulm with high resources and hard research should be pretty intimidating early on if played right.

Lanka/EA Agartha - Hmmm, not sure but I'm guessing maybe a darkness theme? Utterdark could be a plan as they can get a good D income without really needing to spend it on anything.

MA Man/EA Mictlan - Hmmmm, maybe Mictlan is geared for mid/late game power while Man carries the early game. With no need to take crappy scales for an insane bless Mictlan can get a blood economy up real fast jumping up to their mid level summons while Man takes care of the expansion. Saving up bloodslave and b-lining for Tlahuelpuchi would allow arguably the fastest blood econ in the game, churning out civateteo thugs and enormous amounts of Onaqui freespawn without really needing a strong bless.

Saur/Mach - pretty strong early game, I'd see Sauro taking a bless the optimized thugging with Mach on the forge early on. Warrior sorceresses pouring out of a bunch of castles without worrying too much about research initially. This transitions into strong blood/death summons with Mach covering heavy evo.

EA Arco/EA C'tis – Arco takes magic-3/sloth-3 and rainbow, tossing in skull mentors to get a really retarded initial research while c’tis takes care of the early heavy lifting. Not sure where that research is headed but there’s probably a plan for something nasty, maybe a global they’ve planned around.

MA Arco/Kalasia - Arco takes a forge lord and great scales, picks up early constr. Kalasia takes a moderate bless and a rainbow to look for gems. Midgame Arco picks up support rituals with the forge lord popping out the big boosters and that fat gem income turns into a steady flow of astral summons supported by communions and alteration.

MA TC/MA Mari – TC has awesome research and site searching with no need for a pretender support. Mari takes a strong bless leveraging knights of the chalice early and climbing straight up to angelic summons which TC supplies gems and gear for.

MA Aby/MA Jotun – Strong early, mid and late games. They probably are hoping to leverage whichever temperature extreme is most damaging to their opponents with Aby clobbering the anti/thug stuff using heavy infantry/evo while Jotun does what it does.

MA Pyth/Shin – Probably the most obviously strong pairing, tons of options and no real weaknesses.

Yomi/LA Aby – Obvious strengths, but Yomi may have an uphill fight on this one. Lots of good archer nations matched with good anti-thug options. Also, overall team seems likely to have a rough time with banish spam/demon counters.

Utgard/Bogarus – Terrifying late game, but a real danger of not living that long. If they’re given enough breathing room this would probably be the strongest pairing but I imagine they’ll have a hard time keeping out of early fighting and depending on who they come up against that may be pretty difficult.

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I was trying to finish the prepo placements tonight when I found that two teams still have not submitted their locations.... I mean, c'mon guys the setup has been dragging on for ages how could you not have this stuff ready? Anyway, these are the teams that need to submit locations:

Apsophos + earcaraxe
Baalz + militarist

If I dont hear via PM from you by tomorrow night, I will give your teams random positions. So don't be late!

:tough:

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Dock them all 10k population at their starting capitals for being slackers.

That'll teach them you mean business :)

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Me, a slacker?
Yeah, right, I had little access to MPs so we're still discussing placement.

Also, I'll be at Hellfest Open Air starting tomorrow until monday. earcaraxe has some experience playing my nation so he can do the first turns for me. I sent him my pretender setup by MP.

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Ok, game is up for pretender upload:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo....reponderance_2

Due to a couple of players being away, you will have the weekend to get your pretenders in. The game will commence on: Monday, 21st June.

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perhaps i missed this, but do we have to name the pretenders the same as the nation?

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Random is preferable. Random made by dominions, not by you :)

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Can we mail in pretenders now or should we wait for llamaserver to calm down?

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Game disappeared from llamaserver, so mail them when it appears again. I don't think it will accept them now.

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Do we need to contact llamabeast? I assume we're ready to start, as soon as the game reappears...

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I don't think we have all pretenders. Llamabeast said all games will by fixed today, so we wait.

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Ah, no, by "start" I meant send in pretenders :).

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I have contacted Llamabeast about the game vanishing. Hopefully he will be able to bring it back somehow. If not tho, we will have to wait until the server chaos is resolved and I will remake it.

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If the game isn't resurrected tonight can we recreate it? I don't want this game to fizzle due to a startup delay :(

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We are waiting for 2 events, any way. One is game recovery, anther is endgame diversity mod update which can require re-creation of the game.

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Man, I'm sorry, I'm totally the bottleneck here.

Could you reupload the map please Zeldor? Unfortunately it got lost. I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere but I'm trying to sort out too many things at once.

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Only tga is public, .map is secret, only Ironhawk has it. It has all starting positions there, so he must upload it.

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Ah okay. Waiting on Ironhawk to upload the map then.

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Sorry I wasnt around last night - there were layoffs at my work and I opted to go out and get drunk instead of going home.

Anyway - I've sent Llama the map and tga files so hopefully we will be back on track soon.

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Hi, I'll be out for the weekend but I'll take my usb key with the game loaded so hopefully I should be able to send my orders.
If not, I'll send a message to ask for a delay.
Sorry in advance if I suck :p

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Probably ironhawk should recreate the game with new edition of late game summons mod?

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There is no need to. You can easily change mods without recreating the game.

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should I resend pretender, created with new version of mod or just install new version as well?

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Only CBM matters for pretender design, so there is no need to do anything about your pretender. Jus download new EDM mod, you will need it to open first turn file :)

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oh hey, the game is back up. I suppose i need to find my pretender for it now...

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Yeah sorry about the slow updates here guys - massive upheavals at my work. Llamabeast has restored the game and it is now waiting for pretenders. Get your pretenders in asap...

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14/24 Pretenders loaded.

Ironhawk, now that it's down to 10 people can you badger them? Since you're the only one who knows who they are...

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Doubt I will have time until like Sunday which would make badgering a moot point. :)

I suggest generalized badgering here on the forums. You can call nations out by name, at least.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI

16/24!

Still needed!
Patala LA Mari
EA Kailasa
EA Yomi LA Abysia
Sauro
Ma TC
MA Jot

That's four people who can nag their teammates, and two teams that are still out.