Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

hey all, groundworm and annaconda have both submitted their turns, so even though we have lots of time, there's no need to wait! :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I agree! No need to delay on my account. :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

thanks all, I've just been jones'n for my dom3 :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

As I am basically dead I set myself to AI now. Backstabbed by someone claiming to be my "saviour" just after having my only fort sieged for half the game just put this game in the realm of torture instead of fun...

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I'm sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the game, kasnavada. I can't say I have a firm grasp on what's going on in your side of the world, but it sounds like you've been having a difficult time.

Thanks for playing, and I look forward to more games with you.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

kasnavada, I notice you still haven't submitted your turn. Just a reminder to please submit your turn one last time, otherwise the llamaserver won't receive your request to go AI.

Sorry if I'm telling you something you already know, and thanks.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I was done last turn also. My army broke against Yomon and I lost any leverage I had to have hold on my last three provinces. Therefore turned to AI.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

That's actually something I did last turn but it was not taken into account for some reason... :( I hope it works this time.

PS : it did work this time. See you maybe in another game.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Midgard has announced his intention to end our NAP-4 and attack Marignon on turn 30. Is anyone willing to assist the innocent citizens of Marignon?

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I would like to request a 12-hour delay.

Thanks

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Done! Turn is postponed by 12 hours.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Thanks! I probably won't need all of it, but just to be safe...:)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Thanks for the extra time groundworm, it turns out I *did* need it :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Hey guys, sorry but I'm gonna need another 12 hours on this one too. I hope its not too late for this request!

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Please note: the next turn (turn 31) is up, despite what the llamaserver says. You have to request a turn resend from the llamaserver, and it will give you your turn 31.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Treachery! Arcoscephale has attacked Midgard without warning and in violation of our NAP3!

Although outrageous, the nihilistic philosophers no doubt reasoned that Midgard has grown too powerful for honer, good will and agreements to be respected.

Nonetheless, those nations who have agreements with Arcoscephale may not feel the need to honer them as well. The great "Time of Oath-Breaking" has befallen Aridia! :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I sent you an in game message 3 turns ago. :angel

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Hmm, I don't recall getting one, but if you say you did that's fine. But in the future you really should send a message to someone's forum-message-box, that's usually the go-to spot for conducting diplomacy :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Any chance of moving the timer to 48 hours? I'd settle for 36 if you guys think that's better, but 24 is really starting to wear on me.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Yeah, I've been thinking about extending the turns; I've been having to postpone recent turns (for multiple people).

Turn timer is now 48 hours.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Yeah, thanks for the on-the-spot postponements Groundworm, but perhaps it is best if we extend the clock at this point.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Groundworm, I hope you see this in time. I'm sorry about the wait already guys, but I've had a ton of work drop on me recently and am gonna need another 24hrs in order to submit my turn.

Thanks!

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Well, if you'd let us take some more of your territory off your hands maybe you wouldn't have this problem. :D

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I just want to quickly say that I now hold six capitals, I'll post more later...but I just wanted to give all of you the heads up ASAP so you can start planning the next three turns. I think you all know this already, but I'll post more details soon.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

I dont mean to be rude here but is there a glich where you can win a battle you lost? Ive won a few battles vs Midgard in the last 10 turns but some of them, the latest at one of my besiged castles I still loose the province when I win the battle. What is up with this?

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Ok so, its six capitals that I control:

Marignon

Jomon

Pythium

My own capital

Ctis

Ulm

I think this needs no confirmation but I'm willing to provide my turn file to a neutral third-party if necessary.

So I guess the clock starts now, does that mean that if no one snatches a capital away from me before we receive "turn file 44" then I win? I assume so...

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

@Bjarn: no offense but you didn't win those battles (at least not the last one), the battle report is the correct outcome, sometimes there is a bug where the battle you view in the combat screen is not quite what actually happened, but the battle report is always true. In my case anyways it said that I won.

Edit: Also the battles that I watched in the combat screen correctly displayed my victory (but it was damn close :) )

Maybe that's an element of the bug; if the battle is really close then some small mixed-up variable in the battle screen can change the outcome, in this case it may have been a morale factor, since the majority of both our armies fled (as I saw it) but but my contingent of crossbowmen stuck around and inflicted enough damage to rout what was left of your army...not sure though...when this is all over you can see my turn file if you want.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

What? Did we watch the same battle? Im talking about province 34. You had no troops left and were routed. My army was never routed and I had ~40-50 troops left. And yes the outcome screen says I lost but the battle clearly shows the opposite. Strange how this bug only favors you..

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Bjaarn, the battle replay bug is well known. The game composes the battle videos on your computer, not the server. This can lead to situations where the replay shows a completely different outcome from what actually happened. It sucks, but theres really nothing that can be done about it.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Yes, province 34. It's a known bug, look it up. If you want to believe the combat screen instead, that's fine but everyone else sees the fort as being owned by Midgard, so the result is very clear.

This bug doesn't "favor" me at all, it just misrepresents what really happened.

I resent your implication and would like to repeat that I'm willing to submit any and all of my turn files to a third party if I'm being accused of something.

I've had this bug happen to me before too (and I was also disappointed), I tried to politely explain it to you. Then you made your insinuations...

Edit: removed a rude comment

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Deadnature is correct. The battle replay bug is clearly documented, and it's happened to me in the past as well. What the outcome screen says is the actual outcome of the battle, regardless of the battle you actually get to watch. As has been said, it's unfortunate, but it happens. If the outcome screen says you lost the battle, then I'm afraid you did.

Deadnature: do you actually control the forts of the capital provinces? As in, have laid siege to them and they're yours? If so, then yes, the countdown starts. If you've only captured the province but haven't taken the fort, then that's insufficient. If you have the fort but it's under siege from another nation, then that still counts as you holding it. It's control of the fort that matters. You've fought honorably and you've fought extremely well, so I'm willing to accept your word in this matter.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Ok well I guess that explains it, Im sorry if you felt accused DN but its the first time Ive seen this bug and for it to happen several times just put me abit off.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Which provinces are the capitals you are using to claim impending victory, Deadnature?

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Hey, its cool Bjaarn I totally understand if you feel frustrated at such a bug, I think I too suspicious when I first encountered it.

@Groundworm

Do I have to tell the capitals locations to all? Well, I guess you could talk amongst yourselves and figure it out anyways, so in the spirit of sportsmanship (and perhaps the rules :)) The provinces are as follows:

Midgard (me) 121

Ctis 80

Ulm 84

Pythium 34

Marignon 28

Jomon 11

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Thanks, Deadnature.

In the future, I'll be more clear about the victory conditions- that you must have possession of the fort, and that you must make public which provinces you hold to claim victory. My apologies for not being more forthcoming earlier.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Oh not at all, no apologies needed. Like I said, you guys could have talked among yourselves, compared notes and figured it out, so I might as well tell you all...its a non-issue.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Are we saying the game ends if I still control all capital-forts after receiving "turn-file 44" or "turn-file 45?"

Because if its "turn-file 44," then I guess the game is over, since as of this turn I still control all 6 of the previously mentioned capital-forts and none of them have breached walls. I can go either way so let me know what y'all think.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Well, I'd vote for turn 45 if given the choice. This is mostly selfish, because I'm enjoying this game and I'm making progress (though I don't know how much) against your walls in province 84 and (I think) against you overall. One more turn may make the difference in siegeing the fort, or it may not.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

ok, one more turn it is then :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

It may seem that way because I've gone into fort-lockdown mode, and we're in the final few turns here, so I can afford to lose as much land as I want, as long as I hold those forts. If we were playing a domination game my strategy would be very different right now :)

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

We can play out this last turn if you all want, but as of this turn "44" I still control six caps with no breached walls, so I think its impossible for me to lose now. To be honest, even if the game was to go on for several more turns, I could probably still hold any given fort by virtue of gateways/mass-cloud-trapize/remote summoning and so on, but you guys fought a really good fight nonetheless.

So let me know what you all think, we can call it now or wait for it to become official after we process the next turn.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

No need to wait, we can call it now. I get the feeling that even if I had managed to take the fort by now, I'd still lose the game by a long, drawn-out process of you taking over the entire world.

Deadnature, you played a very aggressive game. You started conquering nations early on and basically never stopped until you won. You provided all of us with opposition that I we could not overcome; you not only fought against five of us at once- you *defeated* five of us at once. Your strategies were dynamic, solid, and well-utilized, and to say that I am impressed is an understatement. Extremely well done. I sincerely hope to one day be able to play anywhere near as well.

My compliments to Yandav, as well... until the last turn of the game, I could not finish you off. Your battle magic was fearsome, and I had no way of dealing with you short of domkilling you (which I was working on). You also played an excellent game... I think that had I not attacked you early, you would have been far better than me at effectively opposing Midgard.

I, on the other hand, feel like I did very poorly in comparison. I couldn't deal with Bogarus even though he had almost nothing left. This last turn was an extremely bitter experience of watching my three of my expensive thugs die to one single mage each. And, all the while, I was utterly incapable of breaching even a single fort... something Midgard did with apparent ease over and over and over again. While my early game was sound, my overall play was a great disappointment to me.

Does anyone oppose me declaring this game over?

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

No objections here. The outcome of this game has been apparent to me for a while now. Very well played Deadnature, you seized the advantage early and never let up.

Re: Aridia- LA game for intermediate players
 

Good game guys, I'll post an ARR of sorts in a bit, but as was said, naked aggression was the cornerstone of my game; once my war started it never stopped until it was being fought on every front, early game lightning and infantry got me going, and later I mixed in some other things. But combat-air-magic and skinshifters essentially remained the backbone of my forces for the rest of the game.

One reflection I could make about what was said on me conquering forts with such ease:

What surprised me was that none of my adversaries whom I attacked (C'tis, Marignon, Jomon in that order) tried to hold out for a costly siege battle. Each of those foes opted instead to try to take on my overwhelming forces in the field, (except Marignon, who seemed to take a half measure on this approach, leaving a large force in the east). This meant that sieges were even faster and much less costly.

I'm not saying this was a bad idea, since to win one can't stay bottled up in forts. But in this case it played directly into my hands, since a field battle was exactly what my higher-quality/more-numerous infantry wanted.

Jomon did come close to winning a few field victories, but was too vastly outnumbered by the time the hordes of skinshifters got to him.

Plus sailing was perfect for this map and my starting position, so that really sped up the conquest as well.