Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 18 players signed up.
 

Just to remind some players who may not have played in RAND type games before:

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Welcome rdonj! Thanks for helping again! :)

Also, don't send in your pretender and then post in the thread "my pretender is in!" ;)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

The ENP 2 link directs here. Could you post a link in the OP to make sure everyone is downloading the correct mod?

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Will do. Correct link is - ENP2

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Hey everyone, your cruel, heartless, and definitely very much hated admin here. I'm under the understanding that most of you still don't know what nations you're playing,so I'll be PMing you your nations shortly.

Thanks for all the warm welcomes :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Okay nation PMs sent, I don't think I missed anyone but let me know if that's the case.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Thanks rdonj. How much time do we have to play around with builds?

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I think one week should be plenty enough.
Once the game is started I'll be stepping aside and let rdonj do most of the admin stuff, except for changing host schedule as listed in the OP.

So please don't PM me re. anything admin. related. Only PM rdonj. He is the one and only source of truth and power in our universe :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

So, are we allowed to get a list of the nations in the game without player names? Or are we completely in the dark?

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

That s what you are looking for ?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...1&postcount=39

Edit: Just realized you were expecting only the missing nations.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Wouldn't it be more fun to keep this as surprise?- Even more anonymous than usual :p

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

i totally agree =p

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Guys. Please make sure you get a confirmation from the server when sending your pretenders.
If you suspect any problem please inform rdonj.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

And remember this, from the OP. ;)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. Discussion + enrollment. 17 players signed up.
 

I agree. Sorry I didn't test this before. Is there a version w/o special sites? I will try my hand at removing them, but if there is someone who actually knows how to do it, I will gladly defer to you. :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Why is it such a bad idea?- The OP sites have been taken care of by CBM. The rest shouldn't pose a balance problem nor infringe on anonymity.

That said, I'd have preferred random sites but I've no idea how to do it, nor would I risk the game with a last minute changed map.
If you, or anyone else, have a better idea I'm all ears. Until then I'd choose the lesser evil :)

Oh, I'm guessing these would be the offending sites:
#feature "Tempest Spire"
#feature "Forest of Golden Leaves"
#feature "Blizzard Valley"
#feature "Academy of the Crescent Moon"
#feature "Moon Mages Circle"
#feature "Dragon Jaws"
#feature "Standing Stones"
#feature "Silver Forest"
#feature "Red Forest"

I don't know, are they that bad?- Every player can either set his sights on any of them or not, they are fair game after all.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I didn't realize cbm automatically nerfed the big sites. I guess I should pay closer attention. ;)

As for the rest, knowledge is power! :cool:

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

LOL, would be extra fun to watch ppl go at each other's throats to get to those sites.

I just noticed that they're also visually marked on the map so noon can miss them muhahahaha ;)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I think that was the point of adding them in the first place.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

WL, in my test game I have Oak of Ages in the Oak of Ages province. :(

I think cbm does not weed it out because it is hardcoded in the .map file. Has anyone else tested on the map? That province will be a bloodbath for sure. Unless I missed an update somewhere.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

*sigh*

You're right. Thank you for the heads up.
I don't have real understanding of map syntax. I gathered that "feature" means site. It sorta made sense and I think it's true. However, in light of your finding I searched the map file again and found another keyword- this one I think is for OP sites :(

I found these when searching that keyword:
"Mount Frost"
"Frozen Lands"
"Well of all Waters"
"The World Pillar"
"Chillsick Swamp"
"Oak of Ages"
"Volcano"
"Skull Temple"
"Mount Frost"

This is not good. I don't know what each site does but I don't like the sound of it.
I guess I could use trial and error to remove them and UL a "no OP special site Orania". I'm not sure I'll have time to actually test it though :(

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

ok. I think I managed to fix the map. I'll appreciate any feedback WRT the fix. I'll also do what I can to test it.

EDIT: Guys, plz take into account that the game will use this fixed map so, as far my understanding goes, this means you'll need it on the map folder.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

WL, can you come to irc? GFsnl and I were just discussing a possible quick fix, replacing oak of ages and mount frost with lesser sites.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Oh, I was fast asleep when you posted this.

Can you please PM or email me with the details?- I'm in and (mostly) out of the house today so I won't really have contiguous dominions time slot until much later this evening. I'll PM you with my email.

Thanks!

EDIT: Oh and so far my fixed map looks good. Works like a charm after removing 8 powerful sites.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

So far so good. My concern is not really with the sites themselves, but that inevitably some people will not be paying attention at this stage, and will feel cheated later.

prov site
2 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Tempest_Spire
3 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Forest_of_Golden_Leaves
5 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frozen_Lands
10 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Blizzard_Valley
33 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Acade..._Crescent_Moon
38 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Moon_Mages_Circle
39 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Dragon_Jaws
60 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Standing_Stones
104 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Silver_Forest
125 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Well_of_All_Waters
139 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/The_World_Pillar
151 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Chillsick_Swamp
173 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Oak_of_Ages
208 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Volcano
209 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Skull_Temple
277 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Mount_Frost
279 http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Red_Forest

This is the list of all sites on the map, and the locations. Some have coded guardians too. #feature and #knownfeature signify sites. I didn't know any of this before yesterday. :)

Most of these would have little effect on gameplay. Maybe just post this list to the OP and be done with it? Let's hear some opinions.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

i m not very comfortable with sites giving a booster >20-25% unless they are random. I'd suggest to replace stuff like Oak of Ages by something good but not so overpowered.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

The 'Oak of Ages' would be replaced with 'The Motheroak'
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/The_Motheroak

and 'Mount Frost' would be replaced with 'Frost Vale'
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Frost_Vale

The other sites are real nice and worth fighting for but not exceptionally overpowered imho.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Good picks GFSnl to replace the Oak of Ages.
But is the mount frost so overpowered ? Anyway i m still fine with the replacement.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Yeah, I did that. It's one of my 5-6 orania maps now! ;)

It's available if you want it WL. Let's hear from some more people first. And Bullock, two free seasonal spirits/trn does seem situationally very strong.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

That fix seems reasonable.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Stagger Lee, where can I get the fixed map?
I want to test it some and then put it on the server so we could use it in the game.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Got no response from you so I made the suggested fix myself. I also had some time to test it and it looks to work well.

I'm attaching the map to the OP. This will be the game map.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

We aim to start this Wednesday so please make sure to submit your pretenders. So far we have 8/18.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Hey, just so you know, CB1.9 will be coming out tomorrow. It makes significant changes to a number of MA nations, most notably Agartha, Ulm and Man. Sorry for the unfortunate timing.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Thank you llamabeast for the heads up and indeed for all your efforts to improve the game!

I'm personally excited about tomorrow's release and will surely do quite a lot of SP testing with it. However, like any new release it will take some time to mature (even when made by a master modder ;)) and an anonymous game is not a good platform to report bugs or exploits.
My heart says go CBM 1.9 but my heads says no, play it safe for this game and go 1.9.x for the next :)

Perhaps, it would work if the players could report bugs/exploits to you directly and discretely. Oh the temptation.
Dear fellow players. What say you?

EDIT: BTW, your server was hit by frozen heart yesterday 23:45 GMT on Sunday September 4th :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

EDIT2
"EDIT: BTW, your server was hit by frozen heart yesterday 23:45 GMT on Sunday September 4th :)"
Should have been:
"EDIT: BTW, your server was hit by frozen heart yesterday 23:45 GMT on Sunday September 4th :("

Small typo, big difference...

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

My heart also says go with the new CBM, especially since it's likely to be adopted for most/all future games. My brain is too tired to say something, so heart wins!

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Huh, frustrating delay due to lack of a copy of Excel to make final changes to the Forging Reference. Should be out in a day or two.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I am fine either way.
-ssj

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

llamabeast, in such things it's better not to hurry. Still, I'm looking forward to the release.

Guys, the server is stuck so anyway we can't start the game. It thus makes sense to wait a day or two to at least take a look at CBM 1.9 change log and then vote.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

ok guys. CBM 1.9 is not out yet and the server is up again. How about sending in the rest of the pretenders and starting the game? :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Will be out this afternoon. :)

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Oh you devil ;)

I thought you'd make my life easy by waiting a few more days :D

ok ok. Let's take a look and wait for the players to vote their preference.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

ok. the changes from CBM1.9 seems to be quite important, not the very least: "- Boosts to a number of weak nations. EA & MA Agartha, MA Ulm, MA Man, EA Vanheim and EA Helheim in particular benefitted. Other nations to receive some changes include Marverni, Tir na n'Og and Eriu. Great effort has been put in to make the changes interesting and thematic. For example with MA Agartha the challenge was to increase the power of the nation while maintaining an overall theme of sorrow and loss. Hopefully this has been successful. These nations should have gained not only raw power but also diversity of choices. "

So I vote for CBM1.9.So far We have 2 Ayes, 0 nays and 1 neutral.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I am neutral.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Aye

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I'm confident in the llama's work.

Aye

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

If you want to use it, then what I recommend you do is make a copy of CB1.9.dm called YARG3.dm. Then if any major bugs are found we can always distribute a new YARG3.dm with the fixes. Of course I really hope that won't be necessary! One major bug's been found in 1.9 (awesome tower shields for Ulm), but I'll be releasing a fixed version imminently.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

Good idea, crossed my mind too - just with a different name Y3_CB1.9.dm :)
So far We have 4 Ayes, 0 nays and 2 neutrals.

It looks like we're going the CB1.9 direction. I'll wait another day to give enough time for the players who want to vote.
After that, if we go 1.9, I'll make a specific copy to our game as llama has kindly suggested. In this case, you will need to redo and resend your pretenders with that mod.

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I'm good either way. Gonna download it now. :up:

Re: YARG3, non newb MA+ENP2 RAND game. 18 players. Pending nation assignment.
 

I easy = I'm neutral.


So the yarg3.dm mod will contain CBM 1.9 but not ENP2 1.02 ? Also, assuming we go 1.9 we should all resend pretenders?
-ssj