Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

Black Rose mod was not enabled when I designed my pretender. Should I resend it?

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

sorry guys, i have to pull out due to some last minute work schedule changes, my apologies for any inconvenients.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

So, are we just starting with 9 or are we looking for another player?

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

I say we go ahead with just 9. The difference between 3 and 4 players (for example) is huge but the difference between 9 and 10 is pretty small.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

Ok, I am going ahead once Gurthan resend his pretender (to be sure).

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

I just resent my pretender.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA send Pretenders
 

Ok, Were on!

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The game page seems to be heavily bugged, I am contacting llama.

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I was going to say I hadn't gotten my turn yet. But that game page is odd looking indeed.

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Everybody remember to get your turns in by nation_84::Ulm, don't want to stall.

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What do you mean by that? :confused: I havn't received any turn yet!

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Llamaserver is having troubles right now and a lot of games (this one included) aren't hosting. This game is unique in that if you go to it's llamaserver page (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo....e=PointySticks) you see that the "next turn due" field says "nation_84::Ulm" instead of a timestamp.

No one has gotten their turns yet. The start of this game happened to coincide with server troubles.

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That propably it, just stay patient for a short while I guess.

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I received a 12 hour warning but still have not received a turn, even after requesting resends several times. Are we going to restart this thing? Our is there another solution I'm not aware of?

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It looks like a restart soon, I am trying to get a reply from llamabeast.
I postponed hosting for 24 hours anyway.

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Patience pays off. The game page looks normal now, and the resend actually worked this time. Looks like game on!

Mod Issues
 

I downloaded the file for PointySticks and fired up Dom3 only to find that when I tried to play my turn, the game gives me an error message: The following mods need to be installed: MC_Ulm_Black_Rose_v0.282b.dm. So I reinstalled Black Rose a few dozen times, rebuffed my puppy trying to squirrel her way onto my lap while I'm calmly problem solving on my laptop. And still nothing. This is, of course, when I started throwing things.

And then for some reason I remembered the post upthread about adding underscores to the name of the mod.

Turn sent.

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I've got the same problem as Dogged57. I deleted the mod and reinstalled it after renaming the file Black_Rose_Ulm_MC.dm, but the problem persists.

Any thoughts...? :sick:

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Rename your mod, putting underscores in the spaces. Dom3 doesn't like spaces.

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All right, it seems to be working fine! :)

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Resend didnt work for meL:/

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Great, my first turn is in too, I added 24 additional hours so that everyone has time to adjust to the game actually working!

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Ulm sure is gobbling up territory.

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Independent troops are not very good at exploiting Ulms national weaknesses ;)

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What are Ulm's natural weaknesses?

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The Weakness of Ulms troops? Crappy MR (8-9), High encumberance, Map Move 1.
Be advised that Black Rose Ulm does not have low MR at all, but pays a fair bit of money for that (basic troops costing 15 instead of 11 gold in CBM).

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I hate to ask this of you guys, but I just got divorced in Brazil, and I am returning to America.

My plane leaves on Tuesday morning, and I will be in a place with access to a computer sometime in the afternoon of Wednesday.

So, I would humbly request an extension of 72 hours in order to give me time to reach my destination in America.

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Has Vanheim already been turned to the AI? :confused:

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Whoa, wait, what now? And just when I run into them...

Not exactly cool to have a neighbor go AI at this point in the game. Is there some sort of bug or something?

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Not sure why he'd go AI this early, especially since Vanheim seems to be doing pretty well at this point.

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Ouch, I totally didnt see this coming, I certainly did not turn anybody to AI.

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Extension for 72 hours due to Real Life concerns of Brodie SWR.

In the future, it would help if requests for extensions are also send via PM, since I get PMs rerouted to my mailbox, but not forum posts.

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Also, I want to hold a vote over a rollback to find a possible sub for Vanheim.
If a rollback is done, Vanheim is back from being AI, and we can look for a sub. However, a Rollback can create some bugs, and I do not have a lot of experience with it.
I do beleive however that having Van go AI will be quite unbalancing.

I thus vote for rollback.

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I'm not aware of any roll-back bugs, specifically, but they are generally considered bad news and to be avoided when possible because of how they warp the game. Say player 1 sends a force to go conquer some indies and on the following turn his force collides with another player's force and gets annihilated in the process. Should the turn be rolled back, it would take a lot of discipline for that player to behave as though he didn't know what was going to happen. This goes doubly with diplomacy related reveals (e.g. "on turn X, my neighbor declares war and now the turn as been rolled back... I better beef up my defenses").

All that said, I'm not happy about having Vanheim going AI and will submit to a rollback if everyone else is willing to handle it maturely. I keep a turns folder for each MP game so, in the event of a rollback, I am going to just re-submit my turn 8 .h file so nothing will be any different.

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There are like a million possible bugs with rollbacks. units dissapearing, gems disappearing, more units appearing, units getting new slots even, or polymorphing. literally all the weirdest stories regarding in game stuff comes from rollbacks. but this all happens generally when players fail to do it properly mainly through forgetting to delete their old .trn and .2h files before rolling back.

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So i assume I shouldn't send my turn in until we get this sorted out? I'm going to abstain on this, as while I don't like the idea of someone being AI this early on, I also don't like the idea of a rollback.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA started
 

The game is not going to turn anytime soon.

As an alternative, we could also start a new game.

So, vote for:

1: Rollback
2: Start new game
3: Set Vanheim to AI

Re: Pointy Sticks MA started
 

My votes, in descending order of preference:

1. Rollback
2. AI Vanheim
3. Not starting a new game
4. Don't stop the game!
5. Starting a new game

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Considering my awful start, I don't mind starting a new game. I've also saved my turn files and will be happy to submit my previous turn for the rollback option.

I'm also happy continuing with the game as is, since I would benefit greatly from having an AI neighbor.

I'll abstain due to my conflict of interest.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA started
 

I shall also abstain due to the same conflict of interest as Dogged57 :angel

Re: Pointy Sticks MA started
 

lets rollback

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Any resolution in sight? I'll change my vote to whatever the majority has already voted if that moves things along.

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Ditto

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So now we have to roll back 2 turns if we do a rollback...

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I reached the decision to simply get on with the game.

Lets just continue.

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More fleshed out:
I got a bit ill, and forgot to further delay the timer, also, I talked with some people that had rollbacks, and rollbacks are usually worse with mod nations.
I hope nobody got a stale from this.

Re: Pointy Sticks MA started
 

I'm going to go kill vanheim, then. Nobody attack me, please.

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While I do not border Vanheim, it is excessivly likely that everyone who does will try to kill it too :)
As a matter of fact, early AI players are just unpredictable indies...

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Should make life interesting for a while, anyway. At least I've rebuilt my forces after you demolished an entire expansion force+, MP.

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Did anybody else get a stale despite sending in turns?
I did, I think Shinuyama did too.