Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (progressing through the early game)
 

bumping this back to the first page

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (progressing through the early game)
 

Sorry for turn sluggishness, having a bit of a tricky weekend. At least I got rid of those annoying heroes.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (progressing through the early game)
 

Congrats- what did you use?

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A large army of longbowmen, with a bunch of heavy infantry at the back to tie down the scripted heroes, and some mages chucking lightning bolts. I planned a small communion - first one I've tried - with one master and two slaves, but one of the slaves got plugged straight off so I didn't get to see if it worked.

It seems one of our nations has gone AI, I noticed.

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That would explain why Ulm suddenly attacked me despite our treaty....oh well. Race you for the capital, Triqui!

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Yeah, I noticed the stupid Ulm move against us too. Ulm lost like 40 soldiers and managed to kill not a single Marignon brave warrior. That was so stupid that it had to be AI movement, no player would had done such a stupid move.
Ulm capitol is so far away from me, that I doubt I have any chance to race no one

Their neighbours will grow big and strong, though.

It's a pity, I hate stealth leavers with a passion. If you can't play, you should at least ask the rest of players for a sub, I might have found one.

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Im not so sure that he left because he couldnt play. I think he was discouraged by being steamrolled by Jomon in a big fight. Also, I was mistaken earlier, I meant to invite Morla to race for the Ulm capital, though I think he will probably get there first.

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Regardless of the reasons to stealth quit, in my opinion you should, at the very least, tell the other players you are leaving. That way they can either look for a sub, or prepare to defend against AI.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

The hosting schedule is now 72h+quickhost.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Attention everyone. Atlantis will trade water, death or nature gems for a pair of earth boots. Please PM us with your asking price so we can discuss a trade.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (progressing through the early game)
 

Didn't you kill those guys? Some suspiciously similar trolls showed up in my territory this turn. Must be cousins or something...

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

This game will be put on hiatus over the American thanksgiving break to allow people to travel and be with their family. The extension will begin Wednesday (the 23rd) evening and we will resume on Monday or Tuesday (28th or 29th).

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (progressing through the early game)
 

Yup, I killed them. Lot of trolls around nowadays ;)

Wishing a happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans :)

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back

hosting interval set back to 72h.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

AARs?

If players wish to, i would highly encourage them to begin providing some details of their early game so that we can learn from one-another, seeing as how this is a Noob game.

Also, players that are defeated should also consider giving an account of their nation, if they so choose.



For my own part, my early game involved expansion with ancestor vessels and a bee-line for alteration 4 for wind guide but i didn't realize that a rank 1 air mage could not use two air gems to cast the spell (which requires air 2 and 1 gem) until i had tried to cast it about a million different times. To start again i would have compensated for that in some way much earlier and 1) hit more stuff with my arrows and, 2) lost way less of my army (maybe?)

In terms of diplomacy, i started between patala and Atlantis and they both expanded very well, then Atlantis declared on Patala and eager to get a piece of the territory i attacked Patala also.

I think Patala's major battles were with Atlantis and i got to watch a few courtesy of my scouts- and they were very impressive indeed- those Atlantian ice guards look tough for sure. Most of my battles with Patala, unfortunately, were mostly fairly small-sized skirmishes by comparison so I don’t really feel that I got to have an adequate taste of what the Patalian war-machine is really capable of.


Anyway, if anyone else wants to share, I would be very eager to hear about how things are going for them, especially Jomon who seems like a (very threatening) giant and Patala, whom I am curious about because I know so little about them.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

I tried completelly different approach this time with Marignon.
I expanded with royal knights, and signed NAP with all my neighbours. I researched construction to build sanguine douses only to discover that they are banned in CBM. It is not lost research though, becouse lightless lanterns, boosters and stuff for thugs are needed anyways. Then the usual suspects, thau, evo, blood...

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What does AAR stand for?

Well, whatever it is, I'll provide mine:

I've got an E9S9 bless, so expansion was done by teams of Kohens leading a few zealots and a giant or 2. I expanded much too slowly, however, especially since I was stuck with a lot of low income provinces. I would have been more aggressive if I could do over. Ulm going AI was a huge windfall for me, allowing me to snap up most of their land in the course of a few turns.; without that, I would not be in good shape right now.

As anyone can see, Im lagging in research, but my early targets Con-4 and Alt-3 for my Gadol thugs, and Thaum-2 and Evo-2. Im only just starting to get into blood, something I would have been able to do sooner had I expanded better and built more castles.

I've found myself very grateful for Triqui's advice about manual taxing. It has really brought a lot of extra gold into my treasury.

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Patala:

OK, their troops suck. My expansion was on the slower side (elephants backed with high-morale gorillas), and was funnelled towards the island by my neighbors. I was hoping to get some of the good kailasa/lanka summons before getting into a major war, but alas, it was not to be.

Once war came, I whipped out alt-4 and enhance-3 for some buffs for my troops, but it wasn't nearly enough. Those Asstaturts are tough. Their magic weapons ignored ethereal elephants and they regen'd to fast for monkey swarms to take them down. So yeah, if it had been someone else it might have worked, but after Atlantis killed a few hundred of my troops and a dozen mages, it made sense for my other two neighbors to either 1) gang up on Atlantis to prevent him from getting too strong, or 2) ganging up on me to limit atlantis's gains and then ganging up on Atlantis once his armies are weakened.

They seem to have chosen option 2.

I should have beelined for conj.5 and tried to crank out as many ghandharvas as I could. But then, my bless for them kind of sucked, I should have gone with a rainbow pretender.

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With LA Atlantis, it isn't a question of whether you are going to expand quickly but in what direction; your national troops are too cheap and kick too much butt not to, especially if you have a halfway decent bless for your cap-only sacreds. Do you rush a neighbor? Do you focus on capturing water territories or land? Do you capture around your capital for the extra resources (the basic non-chaff of LA Atlantis costs 22 resources and the troops you want cost 35) or do you spread outward with the intent to back-fill later?

Anyway, I had a focus on spreading out and going for land provinces over water. I didn't figure I'd have too much competition for water provinces but boy was I wrong! I had to contend myself with a paltry 3 water provinces what with T'ien Ch'i and Jomon snapping up the rest.

I expanded into indies rather than rush a neighbor (last game I played as LA Atlantis, the first neighbor I met immediately declared war on me; I decided to play it diplomatic this game if I could) and made friends with everyone I encountered. Since my troops are cheap but resource intensive, I had money left over that I spent on forts and mercenary mages to help out my otherwise mediocre research (my national researchers only bring in 4rp/turn in neutral scales and aren't super cheap).

Once I was beating up indies on the island, I encountered Patala. They had claimed a good third of the island with a force of elephants buffed with body ethereal (this sort of info is the godsend that is aggressive scouting). My troops carry magical "screw you ethereal" ice weapons and our mages can spam slime so we weren't afraid of ghostly elephants. We declared turf war on Patala and kicked them off the island after a few limited skirmishes. We offered Patala peace in exchange for them leaving us alone on the island (remember, Patala is on the exact opposite side of the map so reinforcements take a LONG time getting over there). They would hear nothing of peace and so we had some truly intense battles at Olypha (97). Patala made very good use of their naga casters (who are early age-caliber mages despite being in the late age) in addition to throwing an unholy number of monkeys at us. We were also fighting in Patala's heat dominion (which lowers the protection of my ice-clad infantry) so the battles were very close but the sheer survivability of our infantry allowed us to last juuuust long enough for the monkeys to route each time.

We invited Patala's neighbors to the brawl because we sure as heck couldn't beat Patala so far from home this early in the game. When the neighbors agreed, we fought defensively and played a game of hit-and-run while we tried to get enough troops and mages across the entire freakin' map to cement our tenuous hold. Fortunately, between Patala losing a few decisive battles against my entrenched forces at Olypha, my surprise attack on their capital (which ended rather poorly but it served it's purpose all the same) and T'ien Ch'i showing up in force, we were able to exhaust Patala enough for them to lose the war.

We didn't make much in the way of territorial gains from that conflict (Marignon got the capital and T'ien Ch'i got most everything else) but it was a proud war for Atlantis all the same. Even if we're cut off, way away from home and fighting in the thrice-cursed heat, we can still kick several metric tonnes of butt. As is, we're mainly concerned with consolidating our holdings and prodding our mages to keep up with the research race.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

@atlantis

I contend that you did indeed get a sizable territorial gain- all of patala's island holdings...

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Nice reports.

As Jomon, low cost, high resources and no shield elite troops early expansion is easy with the help of my, never forgotten, dear arrow catchers. It is very important to go underwater as soon as possible, thanks to a trusted mercenary group i was able to go underwater in the 2 or 3 month and compete with Atlantis.

My first reasearch objetives are the site searching rituals, Jomon needs gems!!!.

I was afraid of my neigbourghs, Ulm and Marignon, cheap crossbows is my nemesis during year one. But a few NAPs solved that problem.

I face the majority of ULM´s AI forces, damm rangers and ghouls, but my dear spirts arrive just in time and solve a few situations 60 ghouls 50 rangers.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

AAR stands for "After Action Report"

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

25% of all Ancestor Guides and Celestial Masters are A2s and can cast the spell normally. 100% of all Ancestor Guides and Celestial Masters can cast Wind Guide if you give them a crystal shield.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

murphies law and all that.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Comunion also works.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

yeah, i did end up using that in some situations actually.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

This is not only my first MP game, but my first game of any sort (excepting the demo). Coupled with the fact that in games I like to discover things as they occur, rather than obsessively reading wikis and whatnot, my modest ambition was to last a reasonable amount of time.

That said, in order to be at least vaguely competitive I did peruse a Chelms strategy guide, and started out by following its advice to build as many forts as possible. However, I was severely delayed by the hero infestation; dealing with that cost me valuable time and momentum and meant that my territory post-initial phase was far below optimal.

By the way, I've sent my turn 30 in but have not received any acknowledgement from the server.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

The server is having some problems. We have to wait until Llama comes and reboot it...

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Really sorry about the stale turn; I was away and had to stay longer than planned. I'm back in now anyway.

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Hi all,

Im going to be doing a lot of traveling this month, so I am going to need to find a sub. Does anyone know someone?

I will be gone from the 4th to the 6th (if it's ok with everyone, maybe we could just postpone?) and then from the 9th to the 20th (so I definitely need a sub!)

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Anyone seen moanarette or morla around?

i.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Okay, so what should we do? I am reluctant to set two nations to AI. Do we wait and see? Do we find subs (if thats possible)? do we just declare a winner and close it down?

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Morla is around. I'm in both the MorlaEA and MorlaMA games and have been exchanging PMs with him here and there. I believe he was supposed to be without internet access from the 1st through today so maybe he'll pop back up soon.

Moanarette I can't speak for but I can say (as a close neighbor of his in the game) that he's in the process of losing a war to T'ien Ch'i and won't likely be in the game too much longer. He's trapped in a corner with only me (uninvolved) and T'ien Ch'i (invading) to keep him company so I think his conquest is just a matter of time. As such, setting Man to AI won't massively alter the game the same as setting Jomon to AI.

If Morla remains MIA I say we get a sub, if possible. If not then we vote on a winner (if any) and call it good. There are really only two wars left to fight: Jomon vs. Atlantis-Marignon-Agartha and then some combination of the winners from that war fighting over who gets the win (most likely being Marignon vs. Atlantis with Agartha and T'ien Ch'i weighing in when and where they see fit). If Jomon goes AI it kind of spoils the mid-to-late game fun. I worked hard to get a good anti-Jomon coalition in motion and relish both that fight and the inevitable backstabbings that'll follow.

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k- i hope to hear from Morla very soon then.

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When I annulled my NAP with Jomon, I messaged Morla to give him a 3 turn warning, and he said and he said "attack me now, Im done for", so maybe he gave up? I hope he didn't though, I was looking forward to the fight. Also, I was hoping that he could do a debrief and tell us what he might have done differently. Jomon had a really strong start, and I wonder if there was anything else he could have done to avoid his fate?

(Also, does anyone think they can find a sub for me from the 10th to the 20th? I might not actually be gone that long, but I'll definitely be back by the 21st)

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Hi, just bad timing, i spent a lot of gems empowering for the next stage of the game, Jomon is a full driven gems nation. And just after that turn a declaration of war from Marignon and Atlantis.

I will try to do the best i can to defend my lands.

I am still on holydays, spain is diferent. I may have time to do my turn later today or tomorrow morning.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Great, look forward to fighting you!

Also, I've finalized by travel dates- should be the 11th through the 17th. So I really need a sub! Does anyone know one?

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i have no idea. jomon and man are still missing as far as i know. i guess this game is on hiatus?

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Ok, I found a sub! It's jimbojones1971. I dont remember how subbing works, though. You just send my turn emails to him, right?

Also, sorry about killing your angel, Triqi :p

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

I set the e-mail address for gath to jimbo.

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Starting Wednesday the 11th and going through this weekend, I'll be driving over six hundred miles to attend a couple of weddings in wildly different parts of Texas. I may need an extension or two during those days, though hopefully not. Just putting this out there as a heads up. Furthermore, I'm having to blow an awful lot of dust off this game, which I'm finding is slowing down my progress finishing up the turn. A 24 or 48 hour extension, while hopefully not needed, mightn't be a bad idea.
- Shatner

(back in character) The great, icy and endearingly hickish nation of Atlantis wishes to extend the damp, webbed hand of welcome to Jimbojones1971 (can we call you Jimbo?), the new big man of Gath. We hope you'll remember all the good ideas the old big man had, such as joinin' our good ol' fashioned curb stompin' on Jomon, and stay the course. Atlantis is a big nation, with a strong desire to share spoils with its buddies and an even stronger desire to share violence with its enemies; we're nothin' if not generous. Anyway, we were pretty good buds with Gath beforehand and we're hopin' things'll stay amicable with ol' Jimbo at the helm. See ya at the fight and the feast afterwards!
- Atlantis

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Hi all,

If possible Im going to need Jimbo to keep subing for me for a while. Im actually free for the next two days, and would be down with playing those turns, but I will be very busy from the 19th to the 27th. If Jimbo can't sub, I'll probably be able to get my turns in, but I'd need extensions, so I think it's best if he keeps going.

Thanks to everybody for your patience! I live in China and it's almost Spring Festival, so everything is kind of crazy.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Am I the only one that feels that the quickhost of this game is too slow? :/

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

The turn hosts in about 18 hours from now and I'm not certain I can get my turn in before that what with all the stuff I have going on this evening. On top of that, tomorrow is the much delayed Christmas Party for my office so I don't see tomorrow evening being any better for me playing this game. Could we delay the hosting by another 48 hours? While I hopefully won't need that long, I'd really hate to stall, so I'd appreciate the buffer.

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done

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Beware the Barnacles has been set back as the Gath player; everyone be super careful now!

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Ha ha, thanks! Im back for good now, should be no more interruptions (I hope!!). Did I miss anything good?

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

I am willing to concede the game to atlantis but will continue for as long as someone thinks the tittle is in dispute.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

Im certainly in no position to dispute titles with anyone, but I would like to keep playing. I've never made it to the late-game before, so I want to see what it's like. That said, if everyone else wants to call it quits, then I wont be upset.

Re: Immaculate-002: Late Age for Noobs (now in the mid-game)
 

No- if you want to keep going, lets do it. Time to unleash the tartarians (maybe thats a little late to say that?)