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curtadams February 3rd, 2012 03:28 AM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
I'd say having a strong combat pretender in your capital on turn 5 is a pretty desperate situation. Little income and no recruitment of nationals makes it virtually impossible to build much of an army, and a Manticora is a hard one to beat. They tend to collect afflictions in big battles but they still win.

Flop February 3rd, 2012 01:12 PM

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It looks like something is wrong with llamaserver. It hasn't updated since 14:16, and it hasn't acknowledged the file I sent it, about 3 hours ago. Does anybody know if this is common?

Szumo February 3rd, 2012 02:36 PM

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It's not acknowledging my turn either :(

mattyburn7 February 3rd, 2012 05:00 PM

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Same here..bummer.

Torgon February 3rd, 2012 10:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 794165)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Torgon (Post 794161)
Me thinks Szumo is not so new to this game. Also Szumo has just successfully attacked my capital with his pretender. Surprise attack while we were negotiating a trade (I offered to forge him some owl quils).

It is a Manticore with A6. I'm probably going down, but I'm going to remain in the game as long as possible. Before I go down, I will give all the gems and gold I have saved to the person who makes his life the most miserable.

I am in province 74. He has 92 and 82 with capital most likely in 99.

I've finished 5 dom3 multiplayer games some years ago, none of them with current generation of CBM, then had a long break playing. Hardly makes me a veteran - and I did ask for mattyburn7 for definition of inexpierenced MP player, which i believe i fit.

I understand you're frustrated - I wasn't happy when i found out there are just 2 provinces between our capitals, as I would rather conquer more neutral provinces before starting an early war which is a big risk, but we're simply too close.

I do not apprieciate your attempt to damage my reputation by implying that I somehow attacked you dishonourably. You contacted me asking what i was willing to offer for the owl quills, i replied, and that's all - and it happened _before we even met_! After we met, i decided further talks were pointless. I did not in any way promise, suggest or imply that I would not attack you.

You have every right to fight back as hard as you can, including asking for help, offering intel/gems/whatever, but right now your pleas come off a bit like desperate whining :), while your situation is not IMO desperate. I'd suggest you try to keep your dignity.

And to the rest: C'tis is willing to forge friendly relationships with other of it's neighbours (assuming they're not that close ;) ), however anyone helping Fomoria will be dealt with harshly :)

Not whining, just describing what happened. True you never did say you wouldn't attack me. But yes, I do think a surprise attack on turn 5 with a flying combat pretender is a pretty low move. Yes, it may be a successful action in the near term. But since it's pretty much knocked me out of the game my only goal is now to make sure you don't win as a result.

You are free to attack. I am free to respond. Such is the metagame of dominions 3.

Flop February 4th, 2012 11:16 AM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Alright, so now I've received 6 mails from llamaserver, saying that it's received the turn file for turn 6 from me. When I check the game status, it says it's turn 7, and that it hasn't received any turn files from anybody. I didn't receive a file for turn 7, though. Did anyone get one?

edit: Nevermind, I requested a resend, so I got the file now.

revenant2 February 4th, 2012 04:57 PM

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I have a similar problem except the resend didn't send me my turn. I'll try again shortly...

mattyburn7 February 4th, 2012 05:07 PM

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Me thinks there is still a problem. I sent my turn in 2 hours ago but it did not get acknowledged yet.

Flop February 4th, 2012 05:41 PM

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Yeah, there's definitely something weird going on. The stats page is still showing the stats from turn 6.

curtadams February 4th, 2012 09:19 PM

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The back end seems to be down - the last update on several games is 18:54 GMT Saturday even though it was (as of my viewing) 1:17 GMT Sunday. So roughly, it seems the problem from Friday/yesterday has recurred.

Szumo February 5th, 2012 09:51 AM

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I didn't get turn 7 and resend turn doesn't work :(

mattyburn7 February 5th, 2012 02:02 PM

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Yep. Dead in water right now.

Flop February 5th, 2012 02:52 PM

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I wonder what'll happen when the server is back up, since it was supposed to send out new turn files about 20 minutes ago, and I assume that mattyburn hasn't been able to extend the deadline. Will it send out the files as soon as it's back up? That would mean that some people wouldn't get a chance to send in their turns.

mattyburn7 February 5th, 2012 03:25 PM

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That's a real good question. I finally got email notifications that it received my turn 7, but it hasn't updated on the games page. I tried several times to extend to 72 hours but to no avail.
I'm also going on a business trip soon so my availability won't be as extensive the next 5 days.
Let's see what happens, play by ear and communicate hear.

Flop February 5th, 2012 06:38 PM

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It seems to be working fine now. The statistics screen still shows the stats from last turn, but that shouldn't be real problem (or so I hope).

edit: I was too fast, the proper stats are showing now. :)

mattyburn7 February 5th, 2012 06:53 PM

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Yep. Looks like we are on turn 7!

Torgon February 12th, 2012 09:40 PM

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It looks like I'll be going down next turn. Let no one say that Fomoria did not fight until the last. Wish I could have been in on this longer.

Good luck everyone.

Flop February 13th, 2012 07:57 AM

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Has everybody received turn 13? I'm asking because I had to request a resend, before receiving it. I just thought I'd mention it, since the deadline is in about 13 hours, and 7 people have yet to send in their turn file.

mattyburn7 February 13th, 2012 08:06 AM

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if it looks like some people are going to be late. I'll push back turn 24 hours. I'll wait until later today to make the call.

mattyburn7 February 13th, 2012 02:38 PM

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I went ahead and pushed back 24 hours. If you haven't received the turn yet you will need to request a resend.

Flop February 14th, 2012 07:54 PM

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Can people who are being eliminated please send in their turns anyway, so the rest of us don't have to wait for the timer to run out?

I guess it doesn't really matter with Torgon, since the next turn is due in a few hours, anyway, but it would be nice in the future.

mattyburn7 February 15th, 2012 06:04 PM

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Admin question guys? I see Fomoria is kaput. However he is still on the server list. Do I need to manually delete him from the game also?

Szumo February 16th, 2012 05:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 795707)
Admin question guys? I see Fomoria is kaput. However he is still on the server list. Do I need to manually delete him from the game also?

I don't think so - when you get eliminated, you get one last turn that shows it.

So guys, we got a bit quiet, time for gossip. I'll start by confirming that with some luck i finished Fomoria off, but that pause made me expand a bit slower than some of the others (Tien Chi and Hinnom for example). I no longer need owl quills, but if someone can forge and sell earth or fire items please contact me :)

And some new conclusions from the score tables:
- Ulm has mad research but no gem income. Start site searching man :) (Tien Chi has almost the same research, and a lot more gems!)
- Sauromatia, your dominion is getting dangerously low. Better start preaching.
- Same for Mictlan. Time to sacrifice some blood slaves ;)
- Tien Chi has most provinces, gems and income. Nice :)
- I have the biggest army, though Tien Chi is just behind me. Hail to the warmongers ;)

Flop February 16th, 2012 07:28 AM

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There's a nice little war going on between Helheim and Mictlan. I can't really tell who's winning, though.

revenant2 February 16th, 2012 05:59 PM

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I'm flying fairly blind as well.

Is it just me, or are there very little scouts on this map? I don't have a single independent province that's capable of producing one.

Flop February 21st, 2012 03:25 AM

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I'm not sure, but I think Mictlan may have staled last turn, or at least he cut it very close to the time limit. If he's having time problems, maybe we should consider increasing the limit?

curtadams February 21st, 2012 07:45 AM

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It's pretty early for long turns - we can't use them and they'll considerably draw out the game. I think players should just ask for extensions.

mattyburn7 February 21st, 2012 09:19 AM

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He did Stale. but that's the first stale for anyone so I agree I don't think we want to extend time limit. If anyone needs extensions though I'm generally pretty active on here and will grant if needed.

Flop February 21st, 2012 10:09 AM

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Ideally, I'd rather not extend the turn time limit either, but I've noticed that Mictlan has been cutting it kind of close for a while now. It could be that he's just getting creamed by Helheim, and doesn't feel like playing anymore, but it could also be that he just has trouble making it.

curtadams February 21st, 2012 01:23 PM

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Well, that explains why I had such a good turn. He's been a tough opponent - I assumed he had been spending a lot of time thinking about his turns.

revenant2 February 23rd, 2012 03:03 AM

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Something odd happened during turn 20 for me: I sent in my turn, and got a normal receipt, but for some reason none of my actions took place. It was as if I had staled.

I've actually been writing a fairly detailed after-action report after each of my moves with screen-shots, so I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything bone-headed. Has this even happened to anyone?

HoleyDooley February 23rd, 2012 05:18 AM

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All good here from what I can see. But yeah, that sucks!

mattyburn7 February 23rd, 2012 01:36 PM

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Yea. My turned looked good also. Server doesn't show that you staled at all. That's kind of bizarre. Anyone know what our options are if this happens again? I think turn rollbacks are possible, but that seems kind of ugly.

Also we got a 2nd stale from Mictlan.

curtadams February 23rd, 2012 02:05 PM

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Rollback and new orders is a no-go IMO. Is it possible to rollback and roll forward with the sent orders? That seems the way to go. In this case, since Mictlan, who Ermor is fighting, staled, he should probably have to give an OK for any kind of rollback.

Flop February 23rd, 2012 02:08 PM

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I think we should investigate further before doing a rollback. I've heard that it can seriously mess up games, and that we won't necessarily be able to tell until much later in the game. I can't say I really know much about it, though, so maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

Szumo February 23rd, 2012 02:19 PM

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I've had what you describe happen a few time to me, and every time the reason was a mistake on my part - sending turn without clicking "End turn" and exiting, or entering game and clicking "Redo turn from the start" by mistake.

revenant2 February 23rd, 2012 02:59 PM

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A lost turn isn't the end of the world, and knowing me, I probably did do something bone-headed. No need to roll-back.

Thanks guys.

Flop February 23rd, 2012 03:24 PM

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I'm looking forward to reading that AAR, by the way. Where are you planning on posting it?

No need to answer, if you're already posting it. :)

revenant2 February 23rd, 2012 06:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 796572)
I'm looking forward to reading that AAR, by the way. Where are you planning on posting it?

No need to answer, if you're already posting it. :)

It's at http://devnada.wordpress.com/2012/02...-introduction/

It's still fairly preliminary, i.e., I might make edits, and the turns are a delayed to avoid giving away too much information. However, there's some stuff in there that might possibly be used against me, e.g., info about my pretender, but I don't think it will be that big a deal -- especially for a newbie game.

mattyburn7 February 23rd, 2012 09:26 PM

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Cool. It will be fun to read! By the way I know Formoria went out early and Mictlan may be (hopefully not AWOL), but I'm enjoying the game and the company even more. Cheers to the players of Noobaphobia!

Flop February 23rd, 2012 11:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revenant2 (Post 796608)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 796572)
I'm looking forward to reading that AAR, by the way. Where are you planning on posting it?

No need to answer, if you're already posting it. :)

It's at http://devnada.wordpress.com/2012/02...-introduction/

It's still fairly preliminary, i.e., I might make edits, and the turns are a delayed to avoid giving away too much information. However, there's some stuff in there that might possibly be used against me, e.g., info about my pretender, but I don't think it will be that big a deal -- especially for a newbie game.

Thanks for the link. It's looking pretty good, so far, and I'm looking forward to reading more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 796621)
Cool. It will be fun to read! By the way I know Formoria went out early and Mictlan may be (hopefully not AWOL), but I'm enjoying the game and the company even more. Cheers to the players of Noobaphobia!

Cheers from me too. I'm having a blast so far, and you guy have been great. I'm a bit worried about Mictlan, though. It looks like he staled again last turn, and from the looks of it, he might stale again now. It's kind of holding up the game, not to mention that it's probably making Helheims conquest a bit too easy. ;)

HoleyDooley February 24th, 2012 02:34 AM

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Iron Dukes profiles shows he was around the forums yesterday.

I think you can safely say he is finished with this game, and a name to remember when recruiting in the future as "unreliable".

Flop February 24th, 2012 03:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HoleyDooley (Post 796631)
Iron Dukes profiles shows he was around the forums yesterday.

I think you can safely say he is finished with this game, and a name to remember when recruiting in the future as "unreliable".

Yeah, I think you're right. So what do we do now? Do we try to find a sub, or do we just switch him to AI? Finding a sub might be kind of difficult, since he's probably not too far from being knocked out.

Iron Duke February 24th, 2012 03:47 AM

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Excuse me??!! Unreliable? Two stale turns and you get the "unreliable" tag? I have been fighting on 3 fronts, and will continue to do so until the very end. I am on three games now, losing two(in one only my capital remains) and my total stales in those games amount to two. By the way I demand an apology.

Iron Duke February 24th, 2012 03:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HoleyDooley (Post 796631)
Iron Dukes profiles shows he was around the forums yesterday.

I think you can safely say he is finished with this game, and a name to remember when recruiting in the future as "unreliable".

Have you ever thought that people might have access to internet connection but not dom3? Tell me if that's a fair arguement you make.

Iron Duke February 24th, 2012 04:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 796625)
Cheers from me too. I'm having a blast so far, and you guy have been great. I'm a bit worried about Mictlan, though. It looks like he staled again last turn, and from the looks of it, he might stale again now. It's kind of holding up the game, not to mention that it's probably making Helheims conquest a bit too easy. ;)

Oh yeah? Well I'll do you a favor and save you some scouting. I might have turned the tide against helheim( I was just doing so) except hinnom invaded our land from the south, ermor broke his nap-3 the moment he got wind of mictlan fighting two nations to do some scavenging. And some barbarian horde suddenly decided it'd be a grand idea to lay siege to one of my newly completed forts. So yeah it's been tough for me, though I didn't "make the helheim's conquest a little too easy" these things happen, maybe I'll see you in another game and who knows it'll be someone else to fall down first...

HoleyDooley February 24th, 2012 04:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Duke (Post 796637)
Quote:

Originally Posted by HoleyDooley (Post 796631)
Iron Dukes profiles shows he was around the forums yesterday.

I think you can safely say he is finished with this game, and a name to remember when recruiting in the future as "unreliable".

Have you ever thought that people might have access to internet connection but not dom3? Tell me if that's a fair arguement you make.

Yes thats a fair argument I make when you consider, if that was indeed the case, the courteous thing to do would have posted here, "hey guys, don't have access to Dom 3 at present, can we delay the turn til so and so".

You tell me if thats a fair argument! I think it is.

Flop February 24th, 2012 06:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Duke (Post 796638)
Oh yeah? Well I'll do you a favor and save you some scouting. I might have turned the tide against helheim( I was just doing so) except hinnom invaded our land from the south, ermor broke his nap-3 the moment he got wind of mictlan fighting two nations to do some scavenging. And some barbarian horde suddenly decided it'd be a grand idea to lay siege to one of my newly completed forts. So yeah it's been tough for me, though I didn't "make the helheim's conquest a little too easy" these things happen, maybe I'll see you in another game and who knows it'll be someone else to fall down first...

No offense, but I do think that two stale turns in a row are making things easier for him (and anyone else that may be invading you). That said, I sympathise with your situation in the game, as I've tried the same thing, in my only previous MP game. And yeah, stale turns do happen, and I guess they are to be expected once in a while.

Still, as HoleyDooley points out, it probably would have been a good idea to at least let us know what is going on, especially since we've been speculating about that, in this thread, for several days.

Anyway, I'm glad that you're still in the game, and I apologize for writing you off so soon.

revenant2 February 24th, 2012 07:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Duke (Post 796638)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 796625)
Cheers from me too. I'm having a blast so far, and you guy have been great. I'm a bit worried about Mictlan, though. It looks like he staled again last turn, and from the looks of it, he might stale again now. It's kind of holding up the game, not to mention that it's probably making Helheims conquest a bit too easy. ;)

Oh yeah? Well I'll do you a favor and save you some scouting. I might have turned the tide against helheim( I was just doing so) except hinnom invaded our land from the south, ermor broke his nap-3 the moment he got wind of mictlan fighting two nations to do some scavenging. And some barbarian horde suddenly decided it'd be a grand idea to lay siege to one of my newly completed forts. So yeah it's been tough for me, though I didn't "make the helheim's conquest a little too easy" these things happen, maybe I'll see you in another game and who knows it'll be someone else to fall down first...

I did give you three turns notice on that NAP-3, but no argument that I took advantage of your rather precarious strategic situation. I did take care of those barbarians for you :)

DarkAvenger211 February 25th, 2012 11:23 AM

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Sending a notice out there to all who's willing to help. I won't last much longer but I will pay for any assistance given. my territories are under heavy invasion from both Sauromatia and Ctis. From what I can tell the whole of their armies are on my front.

If anyone can possibly perform a counter invasion of their territories (Can't be hard. There's no way they have much more defending their own territories). I'll make sure to pay out what gold and gems I still have.

PM me the details if you do. ;D


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