Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

Wonderful, what did they replace them with or did they decide they didn't need MANPADS any longer ?

The Mistral is all they have ATM

Well this didn't take long

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/ht.../20170607.aspx

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"only" 86%?

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That number is probably right in the "ball-park". You must remember BELGUIM operates the original MISTRAL (1) which was fielded in 1988. MISTRAL 2 wasn't fielded until around late 2001/early 2002 (Production was started in 2000.).
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/d...issile-system/

The higher probability numbers are driven by statements like the following...
"The Mistral MANPADS has a high kill probability. After firing more than 3 700 missiles of all variants during training it has a success rate of 92-95%. This missile also has increased maneuverability (30G) at extreme speed. This air defense system also boasts increased flexibility during day and night and is deployable in standalone or in coordinated mode. The Mistral is operable in severe weather conditions." from the same ref, they list all the variants.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/mistral.htm

The deals with the MISTRAL 2...
"Compared to any other low-level air defence missile, Mistral is more reliable and successful. It has a success rate of 93%." again same ref...
https://www.army-technology.com/proj...stral-missile/

At this writing, I'm not sure whether France and the UK got the latest version MISTRAL 3 which has a supposed accuracy rate of 97%.

However I can confirm SERBIA was the first export customer to receive the MISTRAL 3 in JUL 2019 from the ref above.

I actually believe that MISTRAL (1) in it's time, probably did have a higher hit probability in the low 90% area against targets, again, of it's time.

Dons ref points to current time against "smarter" targets of today. So for MISTRAL (1) in todays target environment to score at about 86% is nothing short of "spectacular" and speaks directly to it's effectiveness for a system BELGUIM never updated (Or FRANCE) and that's 32 years old.

Regards,
Pat
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Already being fielded...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...distances.html

Like the weather here has been for the last two weeks plus, feeling a little "****ty" right now.

However there must be some hope as a mysterious bright object is in the sky of yet unknown origin, making everything seem bright and clear. When I figure out what it is, I'll let you know!?! :D

Regards,
Pat
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Interesting but no in-game effect.
Thanks!

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Just there from the news aspect on what's been three nights of hardly any sleep. At least I made it to my weekend, which now officially makes me fall under the care of "Dr." CINCLANTHOME, I'm in good hands now as the "vaporizer" is warming up!?! ;)

Have a good weekend!

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

Looks like Russia's missing regular infantry troops with AK-12 (there's also a new 2023 ed. - https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/media...ztsa-2023-goda), new sniper rifles like Orsis T-5000, Lobaev Arms sniper rifles, SVD -> SVCh.

Germany's missing new HK-416A8 (G95) rifles, the US their new flashy 6.8 cal. ones replacing M4 (XM7).

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

Some of you will find the info in here interesting

https://www.nammo.com/wp-content/upl...dbook-2023.pdf

The one that caught my eye

The advantage of knowing where the rounds are going in the dark and the other side not knowing where they are coming from is HUGE

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

What do each of these nations use the Spike ER2 for ?


Countries that use the Spike ER2

Denmark
Netherlands
Poland
Romania
Spain
UK
Israel

The Spike ER2 can be used on land and sea or deployed from Helos

It apparently can be fired from any launcher currently in use that can fire but info seems scarce and I could ASSUME these could supplement existing SPIKE uses in those OOB's or something like this might be a helo only asset....... that is the question......how are they being used

The range issue is actually a moot point as the actual range of the weapon is 100 hexes greater than the max visibility the game can see even on a dead flat map but it would be nice to know how they are being used

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EDIT
I found this. If anyone can add to it let me know what you find

https://www.army-technology.com/proj...siles/?cf-view

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Serbia JUNE 2024 Platform: H145M helicopters.
https://min.news/en/news/4a30410c456...2e34306ff.html

Finland: DEC. 2022 (Described as additional purchase for all.) Platform: Finnish Navy coastal defense systems.
https://alert5.com/2022/12/12/finlan...er2-purchases/

Then there is this: "The Spike ER2 has already been integrated into over 45 different platforms and is currently operational in 43 armed forces around the world." (Note this concedes closely with Serbia. Those are Serbian helos from above.
https://militaryleak.com/2024/10/13/...r-firing-test/

Italy: 2027 Platform: AW249 Fenice (A129 replacement.) "It will mainly use the Spike ER2 and LR2 anty tank missiles, made by the Israeli company Rafael, but it is also possible that in the future it will be equipped with the Spike NLOS if the Italian army gets it.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thr...ersions.43628/"

Sorry need to hit the rack-we had snow and ice temps in the low 20's no power for 15 hrs. left CINCLANTHOME well, at home so I could "play" at work.

Chile and Columbia:
https://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2105.html

Philippines: 2018 (Last para. ) Platform: MPAC (See Para. 3)

OK!!-Good Night!!

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

Thanks. That helps fill out some units in the OOB's and that lead to Serbia bought second hand Mi-35's from Cyprus

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Back to Philippines in a post in the MBT Thread of them putting their SABRA Light Tanks (From Isreal.) through acceptance trials I believe they were equipped with SPIKE ER as well.

Also, I can't remember if they got Infantry launchers of same.

I think the post was made around the time I submitted the "KAPLAN" for Indonesia.

I gotta get ready for work.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

We don't include the Philippines in the list of OOBs, so what they have is irrelevant to MBT

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If anyone knows let me know when it was taken OOS in Spain

Report is MILAN
Former operators--Spain

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 

USMC has settled on the size of its Rifle Squad.

Suhiir brought this up about 6-7 years ago I believe. The final decision was to leave it as 13.

Appears the USMC concurs with her astute assessment concerning her game decision.

Might have some added value as one will be a drone operator. And you know what that probably means, though I would speculate for a battlefield surveillance drone.

You just never know who's looking in on us. So, to them welcome and :p to you!?!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...21c44095&ei=35

Regards,
Pat
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I'm not surprised. They have DECADES of experience with 13.