Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I have it in the OOB but as the AMX-10RC. Up to release I can change it if better info is available......IF it shows up

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Brimestones In Ukraine have been mentioned. Apparently, they have been in country since the end of last year and have been tested but IDK if they have actually been used in combat yet

It appears to be used from light trucks from a twin mount and fired in pairs and how they would be classified in game terms is like the Spike NLOS that's in the South Korean OOB.

From what I have seen so far this ground-launched use for the limestone has been under investigation for a few years in various nations so ground launching is not a new Ukrainian innovation and I have found CGI proposed launch vehicles that could carry many of them. I have yet to confirm if they are indeed NLOS but the indicators are that they are.

So this is a "field testing" exercise

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

On the opposite side of the "spectrum" since at least June of last year Russia has been using their active versions of the S-300 to attack land targets by adding a GPS component to the warhead.
https://defence-blog.com/russia-uses...round-targets/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...raine-official
(Claims the system can also attack to at 10km min. range.)Russian
https://naviny.by/rubrics/politic/20...es_112_175478/
(This from Belarus in OCT. 2011.)

Also, since about December last year, the same has been adapted for the S-400 series both of which provides for a long-range capability of at least 120-150km or more depending on missile type used. The S-400 missiles can hit targets out to 400km.
https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-usi...trike-ukraine/

The same has been adapted for the Russian Navy launched Anti-Ship missiles this to would only require a minor reconfiguration to be made.

The accuracy would fall in the category of "Close enough for Government Work" against soft targets in a wider space "bombardment" mode.

And of course, this causes for us further headaches. Brought to us by the Russians due to the shortages in multiple type Land Attack missiles.

The "coin" does have two sides.

BRIMSTONE 2:
Looks like the first shipment arrived in May last. These are additional shipment received in Nov last.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6779552...s-ukraine-war/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...siles-from-uk/
https://news.yahoo.com/uk-confirms-t...164900128.html

UKRAIANIAN launcher:
https://sofrep.com/news/ukrainian-fo...sile-launcher/
(Dated in May '22.)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ges-in-ukraine

I like the use of what appears to be a non-descript delivery truck. MOST EXCELLENT! ;)

The NEW DEAL:
UK to send 600 more BRIMSTONES.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ben-...n-london-nato/
(Typical of the rest NOTE what it says about Ukrainian training goals for '23.)

We're doing the same now,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...0a9dcac9c75b29

UK LAUNCHER TESTING:
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...ship-with-mbda
https://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=1126
(Also had an article showing a test launch from an M270 series launcher which of course I can't find now. But these are a way off especially for the AJAX.)

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

The two missile rig they have set up in the sea demonstration vid is, I believe, exactly what they are bolting to the back of those trucks

The Russian-converted missiles are not so much a battlefield tactical application so beyond the scope of the game

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Some improvised Ukrainian vehicles but they looks better than total improvisation and build in series so near serial production

Pickub MRLS with S-5 from aircrafts/helicopter
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/sumy-regio...-s-5-missiles/

Pickup MRLS (miniature Grad but with rotational launcher)
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...ssis-5433.html

Ukrainian 2S9 Nona guns on BMP-1
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...980s-5252.html

Here Russian also Nona but on MT-LB
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...hoto-3645.html

BRM-1K with turret from BMD-2 Ukrainian
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...icle-4917.html

MT-LB with DshK turret
Build in 2015 for war in Donbas in 2018 went into storages and now again in usage
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...rson-4915.html

Bożena-5 (Slovak remote demining vehicle)
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bozena-5-h...harkiv-region/

Ukrainians also now build static defence fortifications along border with Belorussia

They start with improvised bunkers
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/fortificat...-rivne-region/
but now they are fully professionally build from concentrate even some of them have anti RPG cages
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/reinforced...e-kyiv-region/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...4.03.45-1.jpeg

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/437455...hicles-ukraine

SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill. (Jan. 30, 2022)– U.S. Transportation Command is delivering the first shipment of Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Ukraine as part of the United States’ $2.85 billion military aid agreement announced earlier this year.

The shipment — containing more than 60 Bradleys — left the shores of North Charleston, South Carolina, last week, and will provide the Ukrainian forces with additional offensive and defensive capabilities to protect their borders against Russia’s illegal invasion.

Lots of pictures in there to figure out which Bradley model we're sending.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

That's easy it's the BRADLEY M2A2 ODAS and Don will love this, the only one I could find was "ODAS E" which doesn't look correct. Was going to modify one of the M2A2 ones from around 1996. This was and is the most prolific one of the M2A2 series and it had MAJOR revisions done to it. Currently makes up about 50% of the current Bradley in service. Was the last M2A2 type before the transition to the M2A3.

It was the last BRADLEY (M2A2) type "JAKE" severed with in in both Iraq Wars and finally in South Korea. He was very helpful on some issues I had in past submissions concerning BRADLEY and ABRAMS as he was assigned to them as well for a time early in his career.

RIP my friend!

Sometimes referred to as the "Digital BRADLEY" a lot of ANALOG equipment was removed, so much so to allow CARRY 7.

Already have my sources ready, thought I'd have "a little time" to pull it together YOUR CALL.

Right now, after dealing with a retired pay issue all day so far, I'm going back out to replant shrubs!!

Let me know PM or otherwise also had some notes on how to deal with ODAS CAPIBILITIES.


Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

What I already had in the UKR OOB is an M2A2 "upgraded" to the same FC / RF Stab numbers as the M2A2 ODS-E
20
22
5
4

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

A couple of things before I get "beat up" I have to bring up Jake here as he served in the BRADLEY for so many years so in an "encapsulated form" is...
1. The only reason the M2A2 and up to the latest version doesn't have the same FCS as the ABRAMS is due to space limitations; however, several components are actually used and as the electronics and miniaturization have improved we're seeing more of it filter into the BRADLEY more i.e., BRADLEY BUSK as I recall was the first we got beyond TI/GSR 40, which I believe we have at TI/GSR 50 when submitted.

2. We need to ADD it to the USA OOB as well whether as a new build or modify an existing unit as I already mentioned. The numbers don't lie as to how make up our current operational units.

3. We already have AT versions, and the refs suggest the M2A2 only carried to include the following 3 TOW and 2 JAVILAN ATGW's onboard.

4. Since this came up work here had stopped because of a couple of tank issues with South Korea I've started to include a K2 export version. The article I recently posted on DU export restrictions talks of other "home country" non-DU armor applications.

But I'm sure most stopped reading it after the DU part of the article was finished. Going back to K2 their composite armor package is classified per just about all the refs I have currently.

5. Here is where I'm at for the build I was attempting to get done I looked at the M2A1, M2A2, M2A2 ODAS-E and M2A3.

We needed for the USA and Ukraine one that can fight during Maneuver Operations which means having sufficient troops on board so...
CARRY 6 I'm dubious of the CARRY 7 I've seen in a couple of refs.

WEAPON TOW 2B 6/or *8* (I can see *8* as ODAS-E UNIT 686 has CARRY 4/WEAPON TOW 2B 12)

FC 25 or 30either works here easily enough, this is the JAKE/ABRAMS factor here.

We profess having equipment that are fully protected in the game, so with that in mind, sadly that was my stopping point. The numbers.

HOWEVER, M2A2 with full armor package it has PROTECTION against RPG's and 30mm AP ALL AROUND and the refs pretty much concur with this evaluation.

SURVIBILTY LEAVE SAME UNLESS ABOVE PROTECTION ALLOWS FOR INCREASE TO 5. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG (I STILL LIKE TO THINK I CAN LEARN OUT HERE.), BUT I BELIEVE A 5 MIGHT BE "BORDERLINE" HERE?

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

We can play these games over and over and over... How about we just go with what I have until we have better information ??

Sound " reasonable"?

It's in the UKR OOB and "close enough" for now. The real world in game terms are negigable

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Not playing games I don't like you have the time for such "childish things" if everything had worked out as I wanted, I would've got this to you much sooner but, they didn't and it's "crunch time" I get it.

I will continue the work in the background, and post what I have when I'm done.

Life is a circus and like you I feel like a "Juggler" as well.

Besides with CINCLANTHOME's help we dug a lot of holes and moved a bunch of dirt and the Azelia bush's we planted, and the backyard are looking really good right now. Always good to be outside and once in a while it's good to get some dirt between your fingers with an "honest" sweat.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Pat , just one question for now in regards to "HOWEVER, M2A2 with full armor package it has PROTECTION against RPG's and 30mm AP ALL AROUND and the refs pretty much concur with this evaluation."


"full armor package" as in BUSK values?

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Actually, I was really looking hard at M2A3+ BRADLEY UNIT 065 to fit the bill for M2A2 BRADLEY ODAS.

1st The timing of UNIT 065 matches perfectly for the introduction of the M2A2 ODAS.

2nd You have to keep in mind that the ODAS was a TRANSITIONAL BRADLEY from what came before it (i.e., UNITS 063 M2A1 & 064 M2A2 (Note END date DEC 1996-which also fits the timeline for ODAS introduction.)

3rd And obviously it would act as the bridge to the M2A3.

4th When we built the "BUSK" the "BEAST" it is as it should be but, too much for the ODAS. Also consider this picture or similar for our BUSK units. But more importantly might act a reminder of what it looks like compared to the existing pictures.
Attachment 16823

5th Concerning UNIT 686 ODAS-E it already has the same armor (With exception of the shovel HEAT HF.) as UNIT 065 M2A3+ w/o ERA (ADD).

Whether UNIT 065 meets that "ALL AROUND" RPG & 30mm protection I'm not sure but, I think it's close?

Time to ready for you know what. ;)

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Pat.

The definition of "ALL AROUND" RPG & 30mm protection " needs to be defined precisely specifically the "RPG" part but also the 30mm because in the previous post it was 30mm AP

The 30mm cannon used by the BMP in service now has an 8 AP pen and a 10 Sabot pen and if we use USA unit 65 as the base it fails the all-around 30mm test on the hull sides and rear *IF* sabot is considered. If it is only AP that is then it passes and what I now have on the Ukrainian version ( USA unit 65 minus the ERA )

Then it gets more "complicated" with "RPG"........ if "RPG" is considered RPG-7 then 65 does not pass the all-around test and if "RPG" includes the RPG-28 then even the M1A2C-THV doesn't pass as you need >90 to beat that thing

This is reportedly a photo of some of the Brads being shipped..

https://en.defence-ua.com/cdn-cgi/mi...be3f0184c.jpeg

There is NO reactive armour on those ( not to mention the first thing that need to happen when they arrive is a coat of green paint ) and note the side armour on those does not match the thickness o the side armour on the photo used for unit 65 though the icon used for 65 might be closer than the one I'm using now

The ones being loaded look more like this
https://www.defencetalk.com/military...l?d=1537238214

and this....
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...9c8ad4f610.jpg
is one of the photos used in this article
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._get-5370.html
( and the one I am using now for Ukraine

Which, I might be wrong, is what an ERA equipped one looks like without the ERA blocks

So MAYBE the blocks are being shipped crated to be installed there or the Ukrainian are going to apply their own ERA or this is what they get..... we don't know and as usual all we can do is guess and my "guess" is what I have now and is unit 65's armour package minus ERA and the ODS FC+5 is "good enough" until hard data is released and if I were the US or Ukrainian Military I wouldn't want that exact knowledge known

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

And look what else I found

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/419151...rnized-bradley

and what that write up says is

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I'm fine with that for UNIT 065 for ODS. Also correct on ERA. M2A3 standard package? .

Yeah ODS NOT ODAS. :doh:

Also went back to my refs and re-read them it appears from them those protection levels were due to solely a new armor package ODS and early subsequent versions received. From the below ref.

Design and Protection

"The protective cover was omitted from the M240C machine gun and a semicircular shield was attached to the turret rear to add more stowage space as well as act as spaced armor. These armor and internal improvements have resulted in an increase in weight for the Bradley from 25 to 33 tons. The new armor protects the Bradley against 30 mm APDS rounds and RPGs (or similar anti-tank weapons) . The infantry squad was increased again to seven men, six of which sat facing each other on two 3-man benches in the passenger compartment. The seventh man sat just behind the driver like in the M2 or M2A1 seating arrangements. "
https://www.armyrecognition.com/unit..._pictures.html

ORIGINAL M2A2 BACKGROUND

"M2A2, developed in 1988. This variant was fitted with an uprated Cummins VTA-903-T600 engine, developing 600 hp. Vehicle has a strengthened suspension and improved armor protection. Firing ports were removed (M1A0/1 feature.) from the hull sides due to the added armor panels. Add-on explosive reactive armor blocks could be fitted for protection against anti-tank rockets and missiles. Hull floor was reinforced with steel plates for improved protection against mines. Interior was lined with spall-liner. Front arc of the M2A2 withstands hits from 30 mm armor-piercing ammunition. All-round protection was against 14.5 mm heavy machine gun fire. Due to significantly increased weight this vehicle ended up being underpowered. Maximum road speed was just 56 km/h. Unrefueled range reduced to 400 km. Off road mobility was also negatively affected. Some sources report that delivery of the Cummins VTA-903-T600 engine began in 1991. By 1999 Cummins had delivered well over 11 000 engines for the upgraded Bradleys and various versions of this vehicle."
https://www.military-today.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm
(Also supports CARRY 7.)

Then ODS came along ten years later. Armor applications in that time frame would've reached a level of generational change.

I knew I had some issues with BRADLEY in general which started showing up during the ABRAMS revisions. I started to think just like I found with ABRAMS in some cases, we're looking at game legacy issues with BRADLEY as well. It's REALLY starting to look as though the ARMOR values are too low.

We have absolutely no need to worry the M2A4 at this time. It's now OPEVAL time SOP for USA just like M1A2C and look how long that's lasted.

Didn't want anyone to think I pulled this info out of my hole(s) I dug in the backyard on Monday. :D

BRADLEY is on my back burner, except for ODS we're sending them to Ukraine. Also seems ODS is what Lebanon was also sent so we might have some further ramifications to deal with LATER.

My Priorities based on current information I have, are Export K2 and LEOPARD 2A7 versions.

From before last year, in the last patch we took a stop gap measure for Jordan and added the UAE LeClerc.

However, now I need to try to build two UAE modernization project LeClerc tanks that were done to the original. The newest one of those is what the UAE sent to Jordan.

The other thing I need to do is say GOOD MORNING NIGHT!

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

GB is sending AS90 and FV432's along with the Challengers and they will reportedly be active before mid 2023

We'll see but for now I have used a 6/23 for all three

Also, read GB has thousands of Ukrainians in training in Britain so they *may* roll off the boat ready to go

Again......we'll see......

....and Germany is sending mineclearing tanks

one report

Ukraine Receives Military Equipment To Counter Russia’s Expected Surge In Landmine Usage
https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikramm...h=13e76db14f7a

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Posted last week in MBT Thread about Germany sending 4 mine clearing tanks. MBT Thread for that.

Also last week posted article that UK goal is to train 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers this year. As you might remember I subscribe to the Australian MOD "ARMY NEWS" this week's edition reported their top performing unit (Based on Army wide yearly competition.) is sending a large contingent to assist in that training process which should be on the ground now. Canada already has a unit there for the same.

I use ARMY NEWS to track equipment issues as they report on then regularly so that in mind BOXER LANCER is still in IOC which it accomplished in OCT. 2022. Was a big help with M1A1 ABRAMS leading up to arrival etc. Paper was recommended to me when I made successful contact MOD as you might remember (Posted the emails as well I believe, still have them if needed.) to also answer "someone's" question concerning Vietnam era tank T0&E.

MOD was very helpful UNLIKE the French MOD!?! :p

EDIT: German Mine clearing engineering tank posted on JAN 15 Post #1467 MBT Thread. Going for my walk now.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Yeah you did ....it was the lead into a huge post about the AMX which is what mainly concerned me the Keiler it got lost and forgotten about and YES IT's IN THE GERMAN OOB and has been since April 2015 and now it's in the Ukraine OOB as well

Sometimes too much information is counterproductive and I have 39,591 (and counting...) units in MBT alone to deal with

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

In subject of 40mm L70 guns from Sweden in CV90 Lithuania also send to ukraine stand-alone version AA gun which received some time ago from Sweden
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/show...=44189&page=60

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/anusauskas...on-to-ukraine/

underground modules used as a shelters buy Ukrainians on frontline
https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/ukrayinski...nnya-pozytsij/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/engineers-...round-modules/

Here movie and article about usage of WB warmate drones in fights on banks of Dniepr river somwhere on south parts of eastern front
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/warmate-dr...p-of-invaders/

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

In Ukraine Special Service branch of Army has a new birds :D

https://scontent.fpoz4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...xA&oe=63FA8C69

https://www.facebook.com/DefenceInte...12733251038100

Also transport Mi-8 which never was consider strike helicopters in USSR are now adapted to use S-5 , S-8 and S-13 unguided rockets and use as Heli technical. Pilot said that they will wait for Apache but now that is better than nothing on this long eastern front.

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/h...acks-5826.html

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...515ef6862c.jpg

Here about JDAM-ER for aircrafts
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-usa-ha...ine-bloomberg/

And this are pictures which may be usefully for icon creation how new serial production Bohdana looks like :)

https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/na-idex-20...u-sau-bogdana/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...m1XgAATOat.jpg

Usage of American rounds in captured 2B16 Nona-K towed mortar and 2S23 Nona-SVK self-propelled they mus have some number of them if such modification to ammunition was made?
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/captured-n...erican-rounds/

Here also about French and their Akeron MP AT rockets which will be also delivered

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...well-5785.html
And also about heir Leclerc tanks
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/frenc...ssia-5786.html

Italy also consider send more various SAM than before three systems SAMP-T mentioned earlier plus Skyguard and Spada
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/italy-to-p...y-aid-package/
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/what_...ampt-5827.html

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

BTR-60М Khorunzhiy totally rebuild of ageing BTR-60 which will made this vehicles similarly to modern APC like IVF Patria in many parameters which is probably an inspiration. This vehicle was in prototypes stage in 2021 so is possible that now they starts to rebuild next vehicles and this is how they appears on frontline.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-...he-front-line/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...21984661-1.jpg

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

In fact the Patria icon and the BTR-60pm icon hulls are dimensionally, within a pixel so for now, that will be used

There is only a 1.5" difference in actual RL width 2.83 m vs 2.8 m

A better photo of it that shows off the similarities better

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/btr1.jpg


OTOH it doesn't take me long to build one.......

https://i.imgur.com/UwrClgG.png

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Prototype in 2021.

War in 2022.

March of 2022 every defense production facility in the country were hit very hard. And some completely destroyed.

The following site was Ukraine's main design and production facility for tanks and other heavy armor. Please click on this from my favorites file.
https://morozov.com.ua/en/bronetanko...i-vooruzhenie/

Yeah, been that way since the end of March.

We need pictures or videos for proof of life.

ORNX has not reported these to date. Which by the way is updated daily or as required. I clearly made this point in my first Patch submission.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

The Khorunzhiy is tucked right in beside the Kevlar-E in the OOB. Both are radio code 3, both are marked (P)

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

On Dnipro river was created an riverine flottila first time since WW2. This units was setup in March
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-naval-...-dnipro-river/
now is even armed in new ship Gyurza-class gunboat named "Bucha"
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bucha-gyur...iver-flotilla/

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

First 4 leopoards actually handed over to Ukraine by Poland:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64750118


DRG EDIT.... note the story below that link

"Demonstrators have placed a burnt-out Russian tank in front of the Russian Embassy in Berlin, its gun pointing at the front entrance."

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

It may turn out that the French are sending both RC AND RCR versions

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._vehicles.html


"wait, and see........."

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I literary just watched it, here it is.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...9eca09404&ei=6

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

It's interesting that the reactive tiles on the roof of that tanks are obviously chard then rusted but seem still intact ( no bulging) and did not " react" from exposure to high temperatures........... UNLESS they are actually NERA

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Don if is not there ;) don't forgotten about third prototype which was used in fights BTR-4MV1 during Kharkiv area counteroffensive this Fall :angel which itself is an upgrade / evolution of BTR-4E already in use.

https://mil.in.ua/en/articles/chroni...harkiv-region/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...01b2ca5cb7.jpg

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Unit 208 has been there since 2018 !

This does provide more info though

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

First of the Italian M109L SPHs have arrived in Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/BuschModelar/sta...10041727193095

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-c...ored-vehicles/

https://i.imgur.com/QLvevAp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zdcZ3vG.jpg

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

None look like they have weapons, no?

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

The spartan and 432 are already in..... that's "good enough" to cover all that

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

More in subject of Ukraine riverine navy. On south near Dnipro estuary they used

40 Defiant Boats
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...oats-6035.html

Mark VI patrol boats
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukrai...oats-5401.html

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

AFU is apparently forming UAV companies now:

https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/23353

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Here article about usage of Maxim M1910 in Ukrainian Army

they use them in that versions:
one M1910
two M1910
four M1910

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...olve-6061.html

Next article is about improvised guns and vehicles on frontline this article is a form of a summary with photos
https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/h...ians-6106.html

Oshkosh M-ATV recived by Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...ored-vehicles/

Oncilla armored vehicle which Ukrainians have around 30 of them on frontline
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/polish-com...-intelligence/
https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...-IDEB-2016.jpg

NASAMS first photos from frontline
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-...ts-efficiency/

AN/TWQ-1 Avenger also first photos in Ukrainian service
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/avenger-ai...krainian-army/

Kub SAM from Slovakia
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/slovakia-t...am-to-ukraine/

An-178 for Peru build by Ukrainians so they became secound operators of this transport aircrafts
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-178-for-peru-epilogue/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...9053334493.png

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

On Oryx site is now nice list of all equipment in possesion of both sides nice to check photos and what we have in OOB's and what is forgoten or not so important.

Ukraine
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/0...ukrainian.html

Russia
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/0...sian-army.html

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I had 9/123 but I just changed it to 10.......eventually we'll know the correct date because under the circumstances telling the world they won't be delivered until late fall is just giving too much info away. If you want to play head games with the other side tell them something is going to take longer then make it quicker
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-r...ciated%20Press.

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Ethier way M1A1/M1A2C Exports are ready to go as we had already in particular for the M1A1 broken done those numbers in a separate post in the MBT Thread or maybe this one a couple of months back.

Hurry up and wait. In the meanwhile I have bad news to post elsewhere.

Regards,
Pat
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Looks liek they're trying to slide things in under the wire for the 2023 updates as well..

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CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT has been completed for this next patch. Where it concerns any Export tank we've developed thus far the only action taken was to do the best we could to configure the armor levels w/o DU or stated Classified Armor as with CHALLENGER 2) which has covered quite extensively already in the Forum/Threads.

By the way of a reminder, we did this last year with both M1A2P and M1A2T (USA M1A2C/SEP 3 Export variants.) the same principle applies to all other export tanks you'll see submitted as well with exception of the "older" tanks such as LEOPARD 2A4 as they are generationally not irrelevant as much as less current.

All of this has also been covered under the "umbrella" of the DU Armor issue and just as extensively.

Not last year or in the coming Patch submission have we seen anything to suggest that if a country supplying tanks using DU Ammo saying they're not sending the same ammo as their tanks are using.

The only country I know of with an Ammo restriction is South Korea regarding KSTAM, I've covered that already in regard to the K2PL. That's out in the web.

This a classified weapon and if you look at a map, you'll understand why they won't send them out the country.

And finally, where is Mr. Xi as we speak right now? Moscow, Russia since yesterday in direct talks with Mr. Putin. I believe the talks will on going for a couple of more days.

Main topics Ukraine and Taiwan and what's the best price per barrel of Russian oil for Chinese export VT-4A tanks (Or other weapons.)? China, I believe I saw is now maybe Russia's #1 oi importer oil or very close to it.

So, tank ammo the skies almost the limit. Besides look at all the Artillery and SAM "AMMO" we've given the Ukraine EXCALIBUR, BONUS, NASAM and STAM-T etc. etc.

Russia has been using them for a few years now.

This might be useful.
https://www.icbuw.eu/depleted-uraniu...20last%20years.(You might just find the importer list VERY INTERESTING.)

Bottomline our only real concern unless we have other information (KSTAM), is Classified Armor which is readily available concerning web data on tanks.

Regards,
Pat
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Ukraine aircraft's photos in two types of camo
Early 90's camo in some way similar to soviet one and then digital camo from 2010 ...

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Kind of a classic case of the weapon vs armor progression that plagues BOTH tanks and navies.

One day armor is essentially useless then someone invents a new type ...
Then the weapons are near useless ...
Then someone invents a new weapon/type of ammo ...
Then armor is essentially useless ...
Then ...
Then ...
Then ...

Blame the guy that invented bronze as a replacement for flint and made leather armor near useless :D

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Two soliders against 12 and a tank excelent material for mini scenerio on small trenches map :)

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Problem is if you use default weapons you have about a 1% (or slightly higher) chance of your two soldiers hitting the 12 whereas they have 12x1% chance to hit.

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It is not the kind of engagement the game was designed to simulate