Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Damn DRG Sir, it's all good. If I'm pissing you off that much ban me (although I hope you don't).

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

I put up with lots worse than you

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

A very minor niggle: in the game guide the image for NLOS targetting (NLOS%20targetting.png) doesn't show / load.

THIS ONE

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

OK I'll look into that today

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Well this seems to be the release of many mysteries.

The working copy of the game I am using now was built from the new full CD version of the game and I can see that graphic in both the working copy of the game AND the master "virgin" copy of the game

CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE CHECK THEIR winSPMBT GAME GUIDE AND TELL ME IF IT'S MISSING FOR THEM AS WELL. it's the second last entry in the guide in the CD only section at the end

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

If I understand the issue most recent above, I have and see the following...
UNDER "NEW EXTENDED GAME (CD) ONLY FEATURES 2016" last item before same for 2017 the following..."TARGETING WITH NLOS WEAPONS"
between explanation para and last topic sentence this graphic...
Attachment 14636. If this is what's being asked.

While I'm here reloaded previous patches to both games. The number letter thing confused me. No issues there. However, when I went to download the newest Patch for both games I did receive a "download warning" from Win 10 security protocol concerning the site. It might not be clear but, you can manually by pass this and proceed to download it buy clicking on the banner. I had no apparent issues at that point, however, again though that message didn't come up for either game when down loading the previous patch's.

Likely is nothing but that was my experience running Win 10 fully updated version.

Gotta go!

Was curious about terrain, opened my next campaign battle France vs. Russia 2015 in deploy phase. OMG the colors more vivid, I had great trees, plowed fields all the new stuff-awesome-I love good eye candy!! Great Job guys!!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Yes, you confirmed it's in your game... if others can to it's just scorpio that's missing the graphic

I will let Shrapnel know...if anyone else sees this please let us know as well......windows 10 can be a PITA at times

HORRAY..FINALLY positive feedback without a "BUT" tacked on

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Strange.

No worries thanks for looking folks I will re-do the patch install.

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No BUT's....

Lovely, purely lovely. I went into the map editor today and truly appreciate the new additions. I'm still learning to use it...

BUTT...

(No, not a BUT, but a BUTT, and that "Butt" would be me!), I have to remember to read the "how" before I "do". I wiped a map in progress with the new right click fill feature and it was all my fault! Learned something the hard way.

However, the new additions are great. Looking forward to overcoming my ignorance and producing some new scenarios. Thanks DRG! Appreciate your hard effort.

Tom

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

just extract this to the images folder of MBT

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Use the enhanced editor...we added a button for that the front page....it allows undo and then oopsie's like that aren't a problem

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Well now that's interesting as the British Army website say's

emphasis mine

but nobody seems to want to part with the vital information about when this blessed event occurred and that is something the error ferrets like to call us on so if anyone has good solid information about when all this may have started...please do share it with us.


Don

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And preferably in its own thread in TO&E forum, where it belongs as well.

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

The image appears in my manual too.
running windows 8.1

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Don,
Sorry I couldn't get this to you earlier, I was up against it to get lunch and get ready for work. Again this occurred with both new Patch's, but, the Win 10 download issue I brought up earlier is still doing it on my PC as I wanted to test it by starting to download the Patch again just a few minutes ago. A light brown box appears (I couldn't copy the image.) with the following text in it...

"Windows protected your PC
Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting. Running this app might put your PC at risk.
More info Don’t run" The items on this line are buttons.

If you hit the "More info" button you get the following...

"Windows protected your PC
Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting. Running this app might put your PC at risk.

App: winSPMBT V11 Upgrade (2017).exe
Publisher: Unknown publisher
Run anyway Don’t run" Again button line here.

Click on "Run anyway" I had no problems, normal download and verified such in the game.

Just thought you'd want to have all the data when you contact Shrapnel Games. Again didn't see this on downloading the previous patch's first. They would however be archived in their database, just a thought, but is it possible as the new patch isn't archived if you will, and with the work being done to the Shrapnel Game Website to upgrade it, maybe one or the other (Latter I think.) in the cause?

I do have a but now...That darn map scenery is so GOOD that after I deployed my heavy armor I couldn't find my tanks when I went to start my turn!!! :p Alright that might be an exaggeration, but, it does look good. ;)

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I didn't get the box of warning just the spinning circle of doing nothing.

Short story I opened task manager and killed Smart Screen to get the install to start.

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I have DL'd the patches to test this out and the only issue I had was it went so smooth I thought it wasn't running so I clicked on it again and next thing I know I had two of them.

I'm running the most up to date win10, Google Chrome and McAfee. I reported this to Shrapnel and I was told they had one other report but that's all so it all depends on your OS, your browser and your anti-virus and maybe your internet supplier.

Don

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I guess I could've given the same...
Updated OS: Win 10/Browser: Mozilla Firefox/Virus Protection: Bitdefender Total Security Suite 2017.

Have a good weekend.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

It is Windows 10 "SmartScreen" a Microsoft application that attempts to prevent Phishing attempts and Malware by checking the "Reputation" of the tested file's source - It is VERY unreliable and is ONLY a warning that the file you have selected will make changes to your PC and the source / producer of the file is unknown or not on a VERY small list of "reputable" providers.

If you know the source is reliable, and you have other security (anti-virus, anti-malware, etc) then just hit "Run anyway".

In the case of the patches I got the warnings but after saying "Run anyway" the installs were very fast and smooth.

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Well I got same message (I have Windows 10/Mozilla/Avast in my PC). No problem, I just pressed "x" thing in upper corner and installed ok as usual... Especially as I run Avast checking all my d/l'd files always before installing.

Warhero

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Perhaps you guys should upgrade to a previous version of Windows. I don't know how you can trust that big brother edition of Windows.
Just my 2 cents.

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As scorpio said, this windows 10 smartscreen is very inconsistent. I got the warning for this patch, but it installed fine once I found the "run anyway" option, but I haven't seen this warning with the earlier patches.

With another program, I was downloading a series of add-ons from the same website, and some triggered this smartscreen warning, and some didn't. I figure this is just another microsoft idea to make life easier (have you had your outlook email "upgraded" to the focussed / other look yet?), and it's probably a good idea for the casual computer user, but it sort of gets in the way for the rest of us.

Kudos for this latest upgrade.

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Guys, You are impossible, after all those years You steel keep enhancing those games. Thank You so much!

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This is a result of the vile SDR 2010, that gutted a large amount of the British Armed Forces, due to a combination of corrupt Bankers and a Conservative-Liberal democrat Government that did a 'Defence Review' that had nothing whatever to do with defence and everything to do with saving money.

So many British battalions were cut that 8 X 81mm mortar tubes was easy to do. That's it...

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

I don't miss this in gameguide.

Win7x64

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Do you mean that windows 7 is missing from the list of windows flavours?

Nope - its in there (x64 is the same as any other flavour of Seven)

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

The game still supports Windows 95? Respect!

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

There is no reason why the OS wouldn't work with the game.......the computer that was made for it might have a hard time processing everything we have added though......not to mention that the amount of space required likely exceeds most HDD that win95 machines were sold with.

But is anyone IS running one of these game on an old computer and OS I'd love to hear how it's doing.

Don

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@Mobhack nein, i meant that i don't miss the image for NLOS targetting in the gameguide and that i am running Windows 7 64bit. Sorry for beeing mis phhh misunderstandable? unverstaendlich. i was in hurry. Also sorry for beeing late in this answer, i don't know how to set up my account to see any answers per e-mail. I will check this later, cause i lost overview through eleven postings. :doh:

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Why was US JLTV not included in v11?

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

correction.......that unit will not be in service until AT LEAST late 2019 so we have a couple years to get it in

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How the hell do you download this? I was able to download each update for the entire existence of the game, now I can't. I'm able to do less and less each year. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to single out Shrapnel Games, generally it's the whole computer industry. It's like you have to be a certain class to use the personal confuser (I mean PC) nowadays, and it's getting worse and worse, and if I might add ... pretty ridiculous. I bet it's a 3rd party internet program like Winzip, or some stupid error on my part, like a bad connection or something. Either-way, I'll figure it out (well I hope). I just hope I don't have to spend a whole bunch of money in the process.

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Sounds like a "beer lagg" or you are getting older corporal?

These 3d party programms, they don't bother me cause i allways do the same after installing Windows and needed drivers:

MPC Homecinema - good for all sort of Videos and Soundfiles, fast and stable too.
7-zip - for compressing and decompressing files of all sort including iso's.
Sumatra PDF - The name says it. It's much more stable than Adobe Acrobat and way faster.
paint.net - for Foto editing.
Microsoft Security Essentials - for security.
Libre Office portable - in case that Wordpad is not enough.
(notepad++ - for editing purposes.)

These Programms are moved to the desktop and from there they get installed. Afterwards they are deleted. Sounds a bit complicated. (This is be because i have UAC settings very high and by this way i must not worry about correct rightmanagment etc.)
These programms are fast, stable and work together in a way of harmony. They don't do things you won't. You can check with msconfig.exe but there are no hidden records.

They are all free. So you can buy yourself more beer and get even older. :angel(sorry)

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

I have NO IDEA what the problem seems to be but it's at your end or everyone would be complaining. I click on the link, wait a few seconds and it starts to DL and ( for me ) about 45 seconds later it's on my HDD. I use Chrome, Internet explorer works slightly different but the end result is the same

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Hi,
First, thank you for the updates.

Unfortunately, since I installed the latest version, I have some problems with my CD copy of the game.

When the game starts, the screen turns black and few seconds later, the normal picture with the tank appears. After that, the menu screen appears with some graphical problems and then can go black a few times. Sometimes the game works, sometime the screen remains black and I can not do anything anymore. In both cases, to exit the game I have to close my session and open it again to access the desktop because of an another black screen.

Do you have any idea what might cause the problem?
Thank you

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Hi again,

Here is the spécification of my system if it can help.

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4y0wwt6f.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...psm0t3nxpl.jpg

Thank you again!

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

1) Are you absolutely sure you installed the updates to the same folder as the game was installed?.

If you have an old CD version then the game will likely be in program files/... whereas modern installations of the game (and the patches) install to /shrapnel games/camo workshop/...

Ensure that you installed all to the common /shrapnel games/... folder - and not the old /program files/ folder, since Windows Vista and later mess with installations (especially patch updates) to that folder.

If your game is under /program files/... then uninstall it and reinstall it then its patches under the new scheme to C:\Shrapnel Games\The Camo Workshop\WinSPMBT


2) Are you running in full screen mode?. In windows 7 full screen mode a special script is run to kill explorer and its use of the 256 colour mode. I forget what the fancy screen mode 7 is called, its been so long since I upgraded to 8 and 10.

If so - run the game in Windowed mode at desktop resolution, and see if it works. This is the recommended way of playing for CD owners, full screen mode is a vintage mode only there from DOS days, it is no longer supported.

(However absolutely no changes have been made to the Windows 7 script since that was done several years ago. If it was working before then it should work now.)

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Thank you very much! Everything work fine now. :)

-LUC-

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

OK I've just installed the latest patch for both games:

1). The new "clear" terrain look (for summer) is beautiful, alas it only applies to elevation zero. Anything above and the clear terrain is the old sleek one.

2). It surprises me no one has actually commented on the new OpFire on Turn feature. From what I tried thus far (just a few minutes of playing), the randomness thrown in including suppression level, experience, etc etc makes this feature playable well. In fact it's quite on the "rare" side that units get fired upon when turning around (unless you're somehow close to the enemy). Kudos!

3). Summer trees are more beautiful & realistic looking now.

4). Tiger tanks & panthers etc, it was said they have realistic recording for their sound. But I don't find this to be true. Probably because I have installed CROSS's sound mod (even though it's prior to the patch installation).

5). Haven't played that long so I can't say anymore about possible quirks in the game mechanics.


Cheers!

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

1/ I think you are referring to basic green grass here. Yes the changes were only made to ground level and anything on hills was left as it was. When I first tested it with Andy he said he liked the effect of one type on ground level and another on hills so I didn't proceed with the hill set. I COULD do so but after awhile I found I liked the effect as well but if enough people don't like it I could set up the hills the same way

2/ it's working how we wanted it to work, early testing generated opfire with every tiny twitch from a half km away and it was toned down a bit to what it is now and I think it works well but we await more feedback

3/ Thank you. I am pleased with how they turned out..

4/ Tigers ( both types, Panthers, T-34, IS-2 and M3's have sounds recorded from video of those tanks moving . If you installed the patch over the mod sound pack it would not have overwrite any of the mods as those are NEW sounds that were added and no other unit uses them.

5/ If you find something report it and if need be use a save game of screen shot to illustrate. We know there is a new bug in the campaign unit review screen that produces a blank screen in some cases but it clears itself with a reload of the campaign save but it's a bit baffling as to what might have been done to cause that to happen but it is on our list to look into as I have seen it firsthand a couple of times now in my test campaign

Don

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As per opfire on turn with an '87-88 Sovs vs Nato campaign after three meeting engagements it's hardly noticeable. Can't remember if it was triggered at all, except maybe when the AI turned. Suppose an assault is the true test, since you're bound to be looking in all directions to make sure you haven't bypassed enemy looking for a flank shot on one of your tanks, especially one of them super-duper mine-clearing behemoths!

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Initially, it was too sensitive and we dialed it back.... I didn't see how anyone would think a very slight change in infantry facing would trigger opfire reaction from units 500m away which is what was happening at first....you couldn't do anything without getting a reaction so it was subdued a bit....add in smoke etc and now you have to be close to trigger reaction for movement.

It wasn't intended to be a game changer mainly to trigger opfire on tanks turning hull or turret..infantry changing facing was a byproduct and the visibility setting for the battle has an effect on it as well

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Is there any chance to have different reactions if the type of the unit turning is different (eg. infantry being much harder to trigger OF than tanks)? Or the code of the game does not allow such differentiations?

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Well, that's the way it should be working....tanks turning hull and turret should be generating a more active reaction based on unit size but remember that battle conditions, like smoke and enemy experience, morale and suppression all factor in


EDIT

I just double checked with a campaign I'm running/testing in winSPWW2. changing hull position for a HT generated an OPfire response from a tank 3 hexes away ( through trees...... ) but a change in facing for the infantry in the same hex did not so it's working the way we expected it to from my POV

Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

Very good; infantry is harder to spot after all. The present configuration seems A-OK. Initial apprehensions concerning unintended consequences have since evaporated. Great work guys!

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Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 

I got it to work. I simply used someone else's computer to download it to my flash drive and then downloaded it to my computer at home. Good update!

Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 

I found a small bug (well, unwanted feature perhaps) with the rough+slope code: if there is a road that goes thru that hex then the warning should not appear.

How to reproduce: create a map with a rough slope hex and add a secondary road thru that hex. The game will then ask for confirmation even though the road prevents the vehicle from losing mobility.

Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 

[quote=dmnt;839440]Run into this one myself.

Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 

[quote=Suhiir;839441]And I've fixed it already a couple of weeks ago. Will be in for the next release.