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did anyone post this before?
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/SAVE_FARSCAPE/ a petition to save farscape. |
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Rumor has it that Farscape my be picked up by UPN or another syndicated network.
Ya right. Sci-Fi just does not have the cash flow needed to keep the series alive. At nearly 1,000,000 an episode Sci-Fi just can't keep producing it when it only gets half that in advertising sales. The rest is made up through re-run sales, and licensing scemes. Why oh why they haven't made toys, books, PC & Consule games based upon the series one will never know. I am not a big fan of the Sci-Fi channel because they are a poor cable network. Farscape is a confirmed success, any other network would be lucky to pick up this franchise and run with it. Lets hope that happens. |
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Just FYI Atrocities: There IS a PC game based on Farscape. it just hit the shelves the Last couple of weeks (seen at Software, etc).
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The only problem about Farscape moving to a network how be the fact that the network would have to edit out alot of the violence, sex, drugs, and language that are a crucial part of Farscape. If the network gave Rockne O'bannon full creative control over it and didn't cut funding, than that would rock. Hopefully Scifi will come to their senses and keep their key show. For every crappy movie they make, they could make a season of FS. But if a network picks it up and dosen't screw with it, then F**k Scifi. Farscape powered by Smackdown!, I love it!
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You don't watch much network TV do ya? Sex Drugs and Violance is what it is all about....
Cable only throws a little rock and roll in the mix http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif |
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Hey with the new mandatory Ratings system you could theoretically have almost anything on TV. Look at South Park for example. It may mean that FS would have to be on later at night but thats why they made VCR's and TIVO.
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How about the original Flash Gordon Series way back when... it was quite popular back in the old days, before computers, graphic enhancements, etc.. (the good old days ) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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Yeah, the original Flash Gordon was well swervy - I did particularily like the way someone had stuffed roman candles up the backsides of the rocket ships and then ran a magimix to get the sound effects
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I'd still love to see a Dan Dare series and/or film, but sticking to the style and spirit of the 50's original, ie rockets full of valves and pipes and things rather than circuitry and computers, and control panels with big levers in primary colours, and blocky robots that look like they've been made out of boxes...
That reminds me. Check out www.robotbastard.com - 40 meg download but well worth it. It's by the same guy as the excellent "Scud: Disposible Assasin". |
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I love that, I am always trying to slip lines from it into polite business conversation... things like 'Gordon's alive??' or 'Squadron 40! DIIIVVVVVEEEEEEEEE' |
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How many other people in the Last 100 years can claim to have made a career out of wearing chain mail and shouting? The coolest thing of all is that he used to be member of parliament, too... |
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I would like to make a career out of wearing chain mail and shouting
"THE PEOPLE OF STOKE ARE REVOLTING, I SHALL BARE MY BROAD BUTTOCKS TO THE BATTLEMENTS OF THE PEOPLE OF STOKE AND ASK THEM TO BULLSEYE THAT' brilliant, he is absolutely brilliant. I would like to go and get smashed with Brian Blessed, Rory McGrath, Jonathan Woss and Rolf Harris - that would be fun |
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There's a bit of an urban myth about Rolf Harris, that one day he left a TV studio to be greeted by the R.H. appreciation society- 20 odd students doing bad impersonations whilst wearing dodgy fake facial hair and sporting home made digeridoos & wobble Boards. The story goes that he found it really funny and went out on the piss with them. |
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I think Woss would be quite a laugh, Patrick Moore could be a scream but also Bob Holness should be there.
Thinking about it, if you had the cast of They Think It Is All Over plus Rolfy and Brian, what a cracking 10 pints, curry and nightclub outing that would be!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I saw Rolf when they opened the Rolf Harris bar at Keele University - brilliant, he was very funny and amusing |
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Actually I found that following the series schedule on SCI-FI network was pretty difficult. I do not watch much television, and certainly do not review the schedules on a daily basis.
SCI-FI was moving the times around, sometimes no show one week, sometimes several repeats another. You almost need a computer just to search SCI-FI network schedules. There were so many damn commercials, I could not be bothered to watch the show live. I almost wish my computer could down load all of my Cable networks schedules, sort out my Favorites, program my VCR, and edit the commercials. ...Maybe I'll just by the BOXED DVD set when it comes out... |
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I hope we're not still crying about this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
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Ooh...I just saw something on CNN Headline News, there is some sort of letter campaign/web petition thing going on to save Farscape. What are these people thinking?
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I think that a letter campaign is a good thing. How else are the REAL viewers of TV supposed to express their desires? If we just let the networks decide what is on TV, all that there will be are Reality TV, Friends and ER. These shows are basically braindead, that appeal to the masses. Nobody really loves these shows, but a lot of people watch them. However, Farscape has a smaller audience, but it is much more loyal. Realistically, letter campaigns are the only way to safeguard quality TV (if there is such a thing). Otherwize, Ratings are all that matters, and quality TV does not bring Ratings.
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I disagree with you statement that a lot of people don't fanatically love the shows you mentioned. There are a lot of people who watched them just as religiously as most of us sci-fi geeks watch our shows.
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Petitions are good for the fans, but to the networks they make very little difference. So far I have seen petitions to save Family Guy, Futurama, Married with Children, and Friends. They do get some media coverage, but they don't mean squat to the network, unfortunately. Now if all of the petitioners put a check for $1, that might make a difference! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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I agree with Caption about a huge group of fans tha watch these sitcoms and reality shows religiously. A couple of months ago, I was working part time at a college with a lot of young teenagers their and they where watching an MTV show (I can't remember what it was called) where young idiots would do anything for money. Their was one part girls in Bikinis where told to eat chopped up worms or kiss some guys butt wearing their own thong bikinis. If they did it, they would get money. All thought it was disgusting, yet these kids loved it! I even asked a couple "why not watch something a little more educational?". I'm 26 and they looked at me like I was some sort of Alien or something. Next day, they were watching the same programs. Maybe I'm starting to get old at the age of 26 but these reality shows (whether its game shows or some stupied "Big Brother" show) seem like a total waste of film.
I've heard that we are copying these shows from some Third world countries like south America! Why the heck are we watching stuff made by third world societies? |
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Bring back Blakes 7
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If you want to write to someone about stopping the cancellation of FS, then visit this site. It has the addresses and such to do just that.
http://www.pgniteshade.com/exquisite...efarscape.html |
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To let you know about petitions, they go into the trash can. Every single one in history has been trashed withuot reading.
You want results, letter writing campaign. Hundreds of billions of letters. Processing that mail costs money and the studios know that. Thank Bjo Trimble for proving that. |
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A little update, I found this tidbit to be interesting....
"Hot off the press from our source in the US!! Stargate is to return for a seventh season on the US Sci Fi channel network. After months of speculation Stargate has been given the green light. Whilst details remain sketchy it appears that most of the cast will be returning. There appears to be no confirmation yet on whether Richard Dean Anderson will make more than a few guest starring appearances. This follows his statement earlier this year of his intention to semi retire from the world of acting to concentrate on his environmental activities. The seventh season has come at a high cost for Sci Fi channel, they seem to have sacrificed there widely acclaimed series Farscape to help pay for the cost of Stargate SG-1, estimated at $1.3 million an episode. There also appears to be a renewed interest in a spin off series. " |
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Bring back the Doctor! Doctor Who... with out the stupid fox treatment. Half human?!?!
Why doesn't Sci Fi show Blake's Seven and Doctor Who? I'd watch if they would show all the great british Sci Fi. They could even throw Red Dwarf in the mix. LordZon |
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Also, I'd love to see more of Red Dwarf. I think that is one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. And they say the Brits don't have a sense of humor! The only thing that would the show more enjoyable would be to know what all of the slang terms they use. I can understand most of what they say, but sometimes something is said that makes me scratch my head and say "Huh?". Does anyone know if there was any more seasons after season 8? I have 1-7 on tape, and even though I want to buy the 8th season, I heard they are finall going to put Red Dward on dvd. So I'm anxiously waiting for that event to happen. Does anyone know anything more about this? |
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Cring in terror, Jerry Lewis telethones
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And they say the Brits don't have a sense of humor!
Only complete smegheads say that. Normally only people walking round with "H"'s on their foreheads with middle names of Judas say that |
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Don't forget to watch Firefly tonight.
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The Shield is on as well
And those with hbo... check out the wire... Good show... |
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After watching 'Firefly', here are some of my observations...
#1. Cowboys in space. This has been done before, and is actually presently being done. Something called "Donte Montana" is out there on the Space network, which has a very similar cast, except that their spaceship is a bountyhunter vessel instead of a trading vessel, but very similar clothes and universe. #2. The 'evil empire' is pretty tame. Watching the discussion on that battleship, or whatever, between the military crew, these guys were more casual then the orignal Star Trek crew. #3. Too many humans of 2 dimensional characters. You have your self centred crewman, your physically strong woman, your mentally strong woman, your weak woman, your smart yet wimpy doctor, your old guy, your pilot, and your tough, yet downright morally good, lead character. #4. Their ship effects are good, but any show can have good effects. #5. The episode I saw was a combination of Aliens, Alien Reserection, Event Horizon and The Good the Bad and the Ugly. #6. Basically, it another "Andromeda", but with 'attitude' and 'proactiveness' (something Simpsons followers might find amusing). I heard that the show is already in trouble, having even lower Ratings then Farscape (which had a very loyal following). |
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Sad to hear the show is already in trouble. I quite enjoy it...at first I thought they were trying too hard, but with the second show, it seems to me that the characters might be deeper than I thought. Or it could be complete crap...I'll have to see more.
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I really tried to like Farscape, saw the first 4 episodes but was quite bored.
Now Andromeda is pLastic but it's made with humour and it doesn't bore me as much. Yes B5 was really good, especially the plot, Oh how I miss that one. OT: SW2 was a really good movie, the best in the series so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Only seen some episodes of LEXX and altough it seemed low on the plot it was quite funny in a Red Dwarf way. But cancelling Farscape - I won't shed any tears http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif [ September 30, 2002, 18:44: Message edited by: Ruatha ] |
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For me, the best is B5 because is the one that have a real plot, great acting and consistency.
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"After watching 'Firefly', here are some of my observations... #1. Cowboys in space. This has been done before, and is actually presently being done. Something called "Donte Montana" is out there on the Space network, which has a very similar cast, except that their spaceship is a bountyhunter vessel instead of a trading vessel, but very similar clothes and universe. #2. The 'evil empire' is pretty tame. Watching the discussion on that battleship, or whatever, between the military crew, these guys were more casual then the orignal Star Trek crew. #3. Too many humans of 2 dimensional characters. You have your self centred crewman, your physically strong woman, your mentally strong woman, your weak woman, your smart yet wimpy doctor, your old guy, your pilot, and your tough, yet downright morally good, lead character. #4. Their ship effects are good, but any show can have good effects. #5. The episode I saw was a combination of Aliens, Alien Reserection, Event Horizon and The Good the Bad and the Ugly. #6. Basically, it another "Andromeda", but with 'attitude' and 'proactiveness' (something Simpsons followers might find amusing). I heard that the show is already in trouble, having even lower Ratings then Farscape (which had a very loyal following). " Just to slightly defend (first off, I am a great fan of Joss Whedon, really like his directing) 1) There are NO original ideas any more. Just original ways to implement them. To take a look at another genre (say comic books) you can say that every hero is just a copy of Superman. (ie. The Flash, both him and Supes have superspeed, it's how the writer/artist pull it off that is different.) 2) Did'nt see the pilot (unfortunately, worked and missed it.) but I did enjoy the second episode. That and the pilot was not the original one that was to be showed (kinda like Star Trek, the first show was considered too 'cerebral' for us poor viewers to 'get it', so the network had Joss do a different pilot for its opener. We may see the 'origin episode' around episode 4 or 5 I think). 3) Again, all shows have basicly the same characters. Compare 'Chicago Hope' and 'ER', same basic characters. Totally different result. Or even take a look at 'franchise'shows like the 2 or 3 Law and Order's that are out there. Same characters really (how many times have we seen a 'slightly bad-good-harrassed but morally right cop'?) but its up to the writers to pull it off (which I think Dick Wolf lets them do nicely). 4) True, any show can have good effects. But we as fans really are to fault here. One of the best and longest running sci-fi shows is Dr. Who (IMO of course, but running 20+ years IS a major feat). But if you put out a show with it's effects/budget tomorrow it would die a horrible Ratings death really fast! I mean, really, would you watch your favorite sci-fi show it they had effects that looked like that? (or if say the new Star Trek movie came out and you could see the strings holding up the ship {which you could in an old episode IIRC} how upset would you be no matter how good the acting?) 5) Whedon wrote Aliens:Ressurrection, so its natural he may want to carry over some of his 'themes'. Look at 'Buffy' and 'Angel'. Both his shows, both can be argued as the same (one evolved from the other) but actually watching them you see they are totally different. (he must be doing something right, for a mid season replacement 'Buffy' just started its 7th season!). 6) Don't watch Andomeda so I can't comment. 7) the show is in trouble? where exactly did you find the figues? (I'd love to see them out of curiositys sake). Personally I'm just gonna trust a writer I admire and watch the characters develop over the next season to make my full judgement (just like I'm saving my final view of the current Star Wars trilogy till the next one is done, when viewed as a whole even Jar Jar might make some sense!) (hope I dont sound like a flame, just trying to defend the show somewhat. Even if I did only see one episode). [ October 01, 2002, 10:24: Message edited by: Deathstalker ] |
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Here is a link to another BB that I found, which does discuss posted information on some Internet news sites.
http://trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/012606.html Basically, it states the history of Fox dumping shows that require time in order to gain a following. Sci-Fi shows are never ever going to give you a high loyal following right away. They require years of individuals watching in order for them to really become fans. Having the show on Fridays is a definite bad sign, as ever since TGIF bombed, TV watching on Friday nights is one of the lowest. They moved the show 'John Doe' to Mondays, when it was on Friday. The longer that Firefly stays on at 8:00 on Friday, the better chance that it has in dying off. It would have a much better chance in surviving if it was given a place on Sunday night TV, where FOX makes its killing. Basically, FOX has a history of cancelling shows that do not immediately show financial promise. They have one of the highest rates of TV cancelling, close to ABC, and they have probably the highest rate of cancelling quality TV. Indeed, there is a lot of hype around this show being a good seller primarily because Joss is involved in it. However, it took a long time before Buffy the Vampire Slayer became a hit, and it was primarily a hit because there was nothing else like it, and it was very well written (however, the Last few seasons have been dragging on...). Firefly may be well written, but I don't think it will get enough time in order to develop into a good seiries, given FOX's track record. FOX basically wants every show to be as immediately popular as comparable shows. When the Family Guy and Futurama failed to meet the same following as the Simpsons, they were cut, even though it took the Simpsons years to get to the point that they currently are. The Lone Gunmen was cancelled when it did not grab the attention of the entire X-Files community, even though the X-Files did not become a major hit until well into its second season. Recently, I am noticing more and more television shows flopping year after year, with more reruns being put in their place. I think that TV corporations are getting way too greedy in that they expect that if a show is not immediately a hit, it will never be. Most of the great television, especially Science Fiction, requires years of development before they gain a large and loyal audience. Star Trek the original series, was cancelled after 3 years, primarily because of the same problem that Firefly is facing, it was put in a bad timeslot. Firefly may make it, if they are given enough time to develop, and a better time in which to show it. It is amazing the number of high quality Science Fiction television shows that we get up here on the Canadian Space Channel, like G. vs. E., Harsh Realm, Third Wave, etc.. that when we get them they were already in syndication because they were cancelled in the US. Seeing what was cancelled by FOX in the past, it really does not give Firefly much of a fighting chance, unless Joss uses his clout to keep the show afloat (however, even Chris Carter, the creator of the biggest FOX moneybag show, was unable to keep Lone Gunmen and Millenium on TV). [ October 01, 2002, 15:30: Message edited by: Major Tom ] |
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The other reason why I do not think Firefly will Last very long on Fox, is due to its unoriginal subject matter.
When the Simpsons, X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (even though this is on WB) came out, there really was not anything on TV like them. Because they were really individual shows, without comparison or real competition, they were able to flourish much better then shows that have a lot of competition over similar subject matter. Firefly has a lot of competition out there. Enterprise, Farscape (especially due to the fact that 50% of the already completed episodes have yet to be released in many areas), Andromeda, that Montana show, along with the recent memory of DS9 and B5, the theme of a science fiction show based around a crew on a spaceship is heavily covered. Something really new has to be done with this show in order for it to Last in the face of an already swamped theme. For its first few episodes being very clicheish and with topics that have been done before (even though they were done by the same artist), Firefly does not currently offer its viewers anything they cannot get from any other show out there. |
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Years ago there was some show that was about teenagers in a high school. They were canceled after a year, depite critical acclaim. Basically they said at some ridiculus price, IIRC 1.2 million an episode, they couldn't take it to the networks or PBS, and the cable network (HBO I think) didn't want it anymore. And I thought "1.2 million?!? The teen actors are unknowns, the set is hallways and classrooms, what is money for. Was the catering that good? I know an episode of NextGen doesn't cost that much -- not early in it's run. Are the writers and directors really worth that much?" |
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One also might assume that it is the fault of the show that becomes entirely reliant on its success primarily due to particular actors. Indeed, certain actors do a very good job, but, the sign of a good show is to survive the loss of some of your main actors. NYPD Blue lost actor after actor, but still remains a top show. Law and Order does not have a single original actor left, but is still very well done.
However, 'ER' will bust after losing all of its actors due to the hype placed on the importance of its actors in the success of the show. Just like 'Friends' would never survive the loss of just one of its cast members. The problem arises is when the 'Shelly Long' syndrome arises. When a successful TV actor then believes that they are great because their show is successful. They then demand extraordinate amounts of money, hoping to break their contract and end up in movies where the big money and fame is. However, most tend to flop, and end up on the latest CSI spinoff. It sort of reminds me of the show "News Radio", which was an awesome piece of Television. When Phil Hartman was murdered, the show lost a lot of its already small audience. However, the quality of the show really didn't suffer, and was as funny in its Last episode as it was in its first. The problem is, is that the individuals of shows are hyped well beyond the actual show itself. Indeed, good shows do get expensive to run. But where are all of the Francis Ford Coppolas? The guys who spend all the money they make on blockbusters (Godfather series) on works of movie/television art (Apocalypse Now). It seems like all of the profits of television corporations are to be spent purely on making even more profits, and not using these profits to provide good programming that may not earn you a lot of money, but earn you a very loyal fanbase. |
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I heard it was canceled because it was not canon.
No, please, put down that rock. Eeeehhhhh!!! |
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