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In the tropics they use hot peppers to cure sore throats, and further north they swear that vodka is the way to go. So I ate some peppers and gargled with some nasty tasting old soviet vodka. One of them worked, I feel good today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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So back on topic here...

The K.O.T.H. league has over a dozen players now, but the 1.49 K.O.T.H. league has not been overwhelmed by response as of yet. I know it's only been a couple days.

One thing I'd like to point out, for those of you real masochists out there that have Gold and still have the Pre-Gold Version of SEIV, there is nothing stopping you from joining both leagues if you want. The diffence in leagues is only there so that 1.49 only players can participate. In either league you can play either Version if both of you have it. It's just that in the 1.49 league the default Version is 1.49, so you must have at least that, and the Gold league is the opposite.

So technically it's possisible for one person to hold both K.O.T.H. crowns simultaneously. Allthough it's probably a little unlikely. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Only way that happens is if your name is Fyron or Geoschmo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I'm not _that_ good people. Sheesh.

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Rag’s and I are 70 few turns in now, 37 today. The dieing has started in earnest, and the evil legions of the dead are on the march again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Geo,
I've sent you an e-mail so count me in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
edit: I'm in SEIVGold game

[ December 11, 2002, 14:25: Message edited by: Pablo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They are on the march indeed, took out two of my systems so far. But I'll stick my foot out and trip that march up. Hopefully. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that the "trip" will occur in the Hythe system, which has just recently become Thermolian. A Thermolian scout fleet consisting of 18 B-class destroyers and scout cruisers along with 1 bomber and 11 axillaries will make a stand in defense of Hythe III. It should be a battle of note, with the Thermolians outnumbered 3 to 2 and out gunned by about 5 to 2. Add to that the skill and bravery of the Thermolians, along with superior tactics, and you have the makings of a real good fight. Stay tuned updates as they occur.

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I am just hoping you guys take a while longer to resolve it so I don't have to play either one of you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Hmm, Real life is a bother, it takes to much time from SE4, will join K.O.T.H. when the kids grow up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Ok, that moved sucked. I lost 31 pure LC war ships to his fleet of 30 not all war ship fleet. He had a bunch of mining ships and so forth. I just can't hit anything when I go into battle. Ahh well, that was a major loss for my empire. Soon it will fight another great battle.

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Thermolian long range gunnery carried the day! At a cost of two scout cruisers we have won a major victory and gained a new de-mining ship. In honor of the day we have renamed the planet. It now exists as a testament to a great teacher of Thermolian war tactics.

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Earlier in the post, there was mention of finding a way to allow the players to negotiate settings for the game. I have an idea that might be interesting.

This idea originally comes from the Phaze series by Piers Anthony. In these books, there was constant open competetion in games by many of the denizens of the planet where the book was set. People were ranked globally on their ability to compete. The competitions could be anything from sports to parlor games to art or anything else you could imagine.

Whenever a challenge would go out, the two contestants would go through a selection process that determined which contest they would compete at. Each contestant would try to influence the choice to an area of competition that they excelled at.

Essentially, they alternated choices that would progressively narrow the pool of available contests until the determination was complete.

It shouldn't be too hard to set up a series of questions that the players could alternate in answering that would result in a rules package. The trick would be to make the most important questions come first so that the alternation of choices made it fair.

Alternatively, each player could 'nail down' any piece of the rules puzzle when it was his turn to choose. The trick here would be to judge which sets of rules should be picked together for cohesiveness or if there should be any sets.

I am rambling... it is just an idea. Post what you think & before long we might have a pretty good way of determining a rules package.

It might also be useful if the scheme worked for more than 2 players. That way a group could fairly determine what rules to use.

thanks for listening to my $0.02

Have fun!

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Geoschmo,

Great job with this concept. The league page is very nice too! You have already chalked up the first victory, I see. Congrats.

How the heck do you do so much, I'll never know. You must not need sleep.

Cheers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Geo,
In the game 'KOTH Stonemill vs Pablo' please make turn duration 'after Last player upload'. Thanx http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Right. Done Pablo.

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I am now fighting a most likely lost battle. I won a major battle but now my ships don't seem as effective. It is probably just a matter of time now. I will give it my all though. It has been a well fought game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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First battle for a home world is about to begin. It would make a nice Thermolian vacation world, that is unless I have to glass it.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When you killed the Exploration Fleet in your home system, you were fighting against some very old ships. When you lost the fleet trying to break out of your other home system (I forget the name of it), you were up against ships that were several generations newer, and with updated tactics.

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SE4 axiom: Winning a battle in your space is not a victory. Keeping the enemy out of your space to begin with is a victory.

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Scratch one home world and 4000m people, tonight they are Thermolian. And really liking it a lot. That’s strange: 150 or so Thermolian troops land on their world an ravage the heck out of it, all the while a big ole fleet is killing everything that moves, and the locals are happy about it. They must have been real pissed off before we got there.

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I heard they were using your race as filler while waiting for the Samoans to drop by with Long Island Ice Tea's which makes everyone happy...

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Congrats on enjoying your game... May it go another 150 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The first Non-Gold game is now underway, between myself and Yulroy.

Still awaiting more non-gold players to sign up.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL, to heck with them, just bring it all to my house and we will start the New Years party early http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Open House at Thermodyne's place... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
I'll bring the Bundy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Could be a short game over in the Non-Gold arena. It's now turn 4 and Communication has been made.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shhh, you didn't have to bring that up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually they weren't mad at all. They were Jubilant. Well, until you went and took them away from their great leader! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif But it has been a great game. Enjoyed ever bit of having my arse handed to me in bits and pieces.

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Home World #2 is now Thermolian, should be a clean sweep next turn. I was looking at the stats for my ships and I had one light cruiser design that caught my eye. I built 7 of them, and for the loss of 4 of their own, they killed 17mt of enemy shipping.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually they weren't mad at all. They were Jubilant. Well, until you went and took them away from their great leader! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif But it has been a great game. Enjoyed ever bit of having my arse handed to me in bits and pieces.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I did kind of give you a little taste of a whole bunch of different things. But it has been a very good game, well probably more so from my point of view. But it has been fast paced and until about turn 80, could have gone either way. This will be my first PBW victory, my first over a human I think. I took a lot of beatings at the hands of the Aqualians[sp] to get this far. So I guess I will owe this one to my friend JL.

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It’s a clean sweep now, 12000m new Thermolians, and all ready to party!

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The war continues to go well; the Last known Sumiak Assault fleet just spent itself against a little Territorial Guards Fleet and some fast attack cruisers that had been shadowing the Sumiak fleet from my side of the frontier. Just some scattered colonies left to mop up now.

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Sounds like Rags has you right where he wants you. He is obviously practicing the time tested strategy of "SEIV Judo", where you use your opponents strength and size agasint him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif If only that were the case. There was no chance of coming back in that war. I was heavily out numbered, out gunned, out teched, and out smarted. A very good game. I just surrendered my empire to the Thermolians as I lost my Last fleet of 20 ships and my Last change that lied within them. Kudos to you Thermodyne.

Geo, I am reporting the loss now. For the KOTH site, the information for the game is, it went 122 turns. Game end date is 12-13-02. Game start was, I do not remember and I don't have my first save game file.

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Ah, well. Such is life. Do you want rematched right away Rags? I think I have someone waiting on an opponent, I will have to check my emails.

So Thermo. It's mano y mano. Do you recall the results the Last time you and I faced off? You might not, it ended so quickly . I sure do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Of course that was SE3... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

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This was a very good game, from about turn 50 on it was full of tension and activity. I must also say that Rags is a very reliable player. I tend to do a lot of turns in a short period of time and he stayed right with me. I would recommend him as an adversary or an ally any time. Thanks for the game Rag’s

Thermodyne

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope, can’t say that I do. Did I win? Sounds like it might have been one of those 12 turn SE3 games. I think I might be found lacking this time around. Unless you want to do SE3 again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hah! 12 turns! You DO remember you sly dog. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

No, ahem. I don't think we'll be playing Se3 this time.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you have someone waiting for someone to play against sure I am willing to get going right away.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the comments man. You were a great adversary as well. Look forward to meeting you again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And I was more then happy to keep the pace going for turns. It was nice to have a fast moving game for once. Usually I am waiting for turns all the time and I am bored. But with this I had something to do at all times.
Good luck to you and Geo both in the next round. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I love the KOTH! This is the most interesting game I've played before because you cannot rely on your allies (because there are none) and must play alone. With stock AI that was not a problem but with real profs... well... Stonemill is making me some troubles with a single ship!! That is what I call the beauty of SE4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Every time you play with a strong player - you learn _A LOT_ of useful and interesting things.
Geo thanx for the opportunity http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I gotta disagree with Pablo, I'm not loving the KOTH game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Round 7 came in a Yulroy attacked my home world with his missile frigate, took out my only defender and then my Space Yard, which was just about to roll out another ship.

I'm going for the quickest loss of all time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Baron, don't be so sure about the fastest loss untill I finish my game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
But NOW you will now that you shouldn't leave your HW without defence http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
And what is good about KOTH - you can lose whatever number of games you like. You will still be able to play (nevertheless from the bottom) and learn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What turn # you at? 52 so far is the lowest count in the tourney. The highest is 122. But I am sure those numbers are going to change in a matter of just a few days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I agree. Very fun. Pablo and I have ripped through over twenty turns today. The guy must be a machine; never eats or uses the restroom?!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif By the time I rush through my turn and upload it, another one is generated!! The action is fast, and Pablo is doing well.

Pablo, I have to chuckle a bit about that "single ship" I know you won't let me get away with that again. That is good old clean behind the lines harassment . You are a fun opponent, I hope you don't learn too fast.

Our game is still way up in the air! On guard!

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Stone Mill,
you are really good with that 'one ship' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif maybe you log the number of ships I've lost because of it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ))
I _think_ I am learning fast but you will have to find it out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Well its now official.
I'm the biggest loser of KOTH. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Turn 2400.8 and I'm dead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
Congrats to Yulroy, and Thanks to Geo for a 'great' tournie... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Turn EIGHT? What did you do, start next door to him? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

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We started as neighbours, Yulroy built 2 Frigates to start with, I built a Colony ship & then Space Yard Station. He warped into my system - and attacked my Home Planet. After the first battle, I lost my Space Yard Station and 1 facility. Can you guess which facility? Yep - My Space Yard. After that - Game over.

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excuse the newbie question,but where is this site you speak of? and what is KOTH?

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here: http://seiv.pbw.cc/koth.htm

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Baron, not sure if it would have helped, but next time that happens emergency build some missle sats. His missle frigates would not have been able to target them, and while it was busy bLasting the planet your sats could knock out the frigates.

Unless of course you had the bad luck of your sats being launched on the wrong side of the planet and being out of range. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Sometimes there is nothing you can do.

Geoschmo