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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not some fool, a rocket scientist. It's not mis-information, it's a fact.

To burn the fuel you have to mix it with oxygen. It is not extrodinary at all that measurable amounts of fuel would remain unburned when you consider the speed at shich the ship fell apart, and the altitude. Very thin atmosphere at that point.

Pieces were getting blown off and flying off due to Ge forces. Once they got away from the oxygen in the fireball they would burn out from lack of oxygen. Explosions can put out fires as well as ignite them. That's why they use dynamite to stop oil well fires.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I caught it too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

As you say the shear forces of the wind would be extraordinarily high. The friction would heat the pieces to almost molten metal and any residue would be boiled or burnt off before or on impact.

I just put it to the administration wanting to give souvenier hunters second thoughts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That, and avoid liability law suits in the highly unlikey event it did not all burn off.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well. That did obviously not happen.
A lot of things have shown up that aren't molten metal. Helmets etc.

But I do also think the main reason is to sttop souvenir hunters. And a good reason aswell!

[ February 03, 2003, 19:23: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well. That did obviously not happen.
A lot of things have shown up that aren't molten metal. Helmets etc.

But I do also think the main reason is to sttop souvenir hunters. And a good reason aswell!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanx Ruatha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

True, I didn't take into account the lightness and size of the object. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I stand corrected. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I don't think the government is spoofing on this. The violence of the break-up of the shuttle is no guarantee of safety. The hydrazine tanks are probably the strongest components of the shuttle. They had to be to contain the stuff. If a tank containing some residual hydrazine landed in the street near some homes the residents would have to be evacuated until they could bring in some HazMat team to remove it. Even a small leak could kill someone. It is VERY dangerous stuff.

And as Geo observed, Hydrazine is not the only toxic material that could have been in the shuttle. Many 'normal' things could be converted to toxic substances after being incinerated, too. Many pLastics produce dangerous fumes, for example. I think the government is on the straight-up on this one. The shuttle debris is dangerous.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Right, but it was too early for them to go IMO.
I would love to die while doing something i love just not now. Let's wait another 50 years.

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you know what drives me nuts...

Is that this is a photo op for so many people.

Fake grief because it is the 'in thing to grieve'

Where were these people Last week when that plane with 21 people aboard went down ??

And if these were 7 grunts in the field... Nothing.

Always has sickened me. The fakeness and circus aspect of it all.
But I guess thats what tv news is all about...

CNN is just brutal.... I don't know why they just don't change their name to eXtra or ET.....

My two cents on the horrible accident.

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As it is, NASA dismissed the theory about the piece of foam issolation. The current idea is that Columbia was struck by either meteorite or space debris. I wonder why no theory of UFO interference emerged yet. Or am I wrong ?

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You are wrong. They haven't dismissed it. They are simply backing off of it as the leading candidate becuase it is pure speculation at this point. It is no more or less likely than any of the other possible explanations. Except maybe the alien one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The problem is the press and the public are impatient and want an answer now. Whether it is the wrong answer isn't as important as getting it instantly.

Geoschmo

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And who knows what they had on board for experiments? Radioactive sources, hazardous bio material, etc.... Nope, don't touch.

I live in SE Texas. A friend whose Dad lives a bit north of here had a chair come down on his farm and tiles hit next to his barn. Just thinking about the chair gives me the willies.

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There is some information regarding Columbia's scientific payload, hazardous debris warning, contact information to report debris theft and location etc... listed at the NASA.gov Columbia site.

Web URL: http://www.nasa.gov/columbia/index.html

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HAve you heard that people are posting things on Ebay!?

my opion, should lock-em up take there comp away and FINE the hell out of them!
then BEAT some sence into them

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Two people are arrested already.

[ February 06, 2003, 17:01: Message edited by: oleg ]

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Wow...just checked the debris field map. Debris has been found North, East and West of us...guess I'd better check the yard and lot next to us.

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about the russian space program...
back in the bad old days a lot of cosmonauts died, and no one ever heard about it, because of the censorship. Russian rockets, though good today, were not so good in the early years, and many unsung cosmonauts died without many people knowing.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is quite similar to the TWA Flight 100 explanation. People wanted a quick answer that didn't scare them.. So, the government blamed the fuel tank. Evidence that was suppressed clearly indicates that the plane was shot down by a missle. After the attacks on September 11, this is even more likely.

I expect that we will get an explanation, but it might not be true or completely accurate. Ignorance can be bliss, if you're not ready for the truth...Greybeard

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Uh, ok Greybeard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Actually your example is backwards. TWA 800 was not shot down. The quick answer everyone wanted was that it was shot down. Only after thousands of hours of in depth research and analysis did the true cause, the fuel tank electrical problem, become known.

In fact the irrational hysteria around the "missle theory" has taken attention away from what really should concern people about the TWA 800 crash. The fact that faulty wiring that should have been taken out years before on all those commercial airliners wasn't. That's the real scary thing about it. But noone talks about it cause they would rather believe someone shot it down then believe the airliners they are flying in every day could blow up too because of the same faulty design.

Geoschmo

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about the russian space program...
back in the bad old days a lot of cosmonauts died, and no one ever heard about it, because of the censorship. Russian rockets, though good today, were not so good in the early years, and many unsung cosmonauts died without many people knowing.

ummm you sure it was not just because their russian ??

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There are claims about many unreported cosmonauts deaths. But they all has been dismissed by US space experts. There was one unreported in time death of a cosmonavt who was supposed to fly before Gagarin, but that's it. BTW, are you sure we landed on Moon ?