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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm, yes I see. The atombomb over Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn't kill people, it was the one dropping the bomb who killed people.

(In US many says " it's not guns whoo kill people, people kill people", yeah, five year olds who find's their dad's gun!)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, the overwhelming majority of gun owners in the US are quite adept at keeping their children from killing themselves or their playmates with dad's(or even mom's) gun. But don't let facts get in the way of rabid emotionalism.

As for the person who mentioned weapons that kill people for "years after the war is over" well, you just eliminated artillery shells, bombs and pretty much anything that uses explosives. Unexploded shells from a past war are still being found in France, IIRC. That past war being the Great War. AKA World War I, or "The War to End all Wars"... (Of course, I could be mistaken and the supply of unexploded shells found in French fields for the past few years might now be solely from the 2nd World War, but I hope someone gets the point.)

The "blunt our swords" line, btw, is from Clausewitz, and didn't mean swords in a literal sense. I guess metaphors are a two-edged sword, though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

(Why am I having flashbacks to a Saturday Night Live sketch parodying Rumsfield's press conferences a little over a year ago. "Our troops are using night vision goggles, while the Taliban and Al Queda forces are not... is that fair?") http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You do realize that that almost never happens, right? Maybe just a few times a year in the world, which is not enough to cry about. I wouldn't doubt it if there are more deaths from lighting strikes killed than there are accidental deaths by five year olds (and other young ages) with gun access.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron: Please define "young ages"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry, i will, thought it was clear already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"I think the world could avoid a lot of problems if those selling weapons cared a little more about how and who would be using them."

Why make them at all??? US(and ofcourse other countries) should stop make these things. Anyone who owns stuff they can't use can thrown it away. If countries have them, they WILL use them one way or the other, is it selling them, or using them when in trouble themselfs....

So, avoid the problem.... don't make them at all.

Not selling is just tending the wounds,
not making is the remedy..

R.

edit: Drunk = not thinking about it.
naive = thinking that if people have stuff they can sell for money... they would not sell.

[ February 13, 2003, 21:25: Message edited by: Some1 ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Someone was very drunk or naive when writing this.

R.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh very nice. I offer my 2 cents worth and get accused of being drunk. Got anything less insulting to say?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can anyone support production of a device that kills 50,000 civilians every year (and maims many more) in the United States alone?

Or is it only bad if it's a weapon that maims people, while objects that you might find useful are okay, even if people die or are maimed by them?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where exactly did you get from my post that I "support production of a device that kills 50,000 civilians every year"???

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i apologize for my bad choice of words... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I don't want to trigger a discussion about my post..

sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

R.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can anyone support production of a device that kills 50,000 civilians every year (and maims many more) in the United States alone?

Or is it only bad if it's a weapon that maims people, while objects that you might find useful are okay, even if people die or are maimed by them?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where exactly did you get from my post that I "support production of a device that kills 50,000 civilians every year"???</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A guess. So I was wrong and you do have objections to the manufacture of automobiles? My sincere apologies.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, I think the word naive covers quite a few assumptions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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Let’s see how much you guys really know. Which 10 countries export the most arms? Not so quick, Aircraft sales are not to be counted, and costal patrol ships don’t count either. They are very big ticket items, and tend to distort the big picture.

Next, who are the five largest exporters of ballistic missiles?

Then let’s ask who are the five largest exporters of anti shipping missiles?

And just for fun, who manufactured the majority of the land mines that are responsible for the death toll in Asia? Bosnia?

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i would be much happier in a world without cigarettes, than in a world without anti personnel mines. it just happens to be very popular at the moment, to disaprove of AP mines.

for a while it was popular to disaprove of DU tank rounds, because the uranium vaporizes as it sheers through tank hulls, and the particulate matter gets into the air, food, and water, causing cancer and radiation sickness in nearby villagers.

for a while, it was popular to disaprove of cluster bombs, because their submunitions dont always explode, and their paper packaging looks just like the packaging on air-dropped food supplies.

for a while, it was popular to disaprove of ethnic clea.. oh wait, thats still bad.

we have developed battlefield lasers that can shoot down missiles and planes, and attack targets on the ground. sounds slick, but the refracted energy from them tends to burn the corneas of happless civilians within a radius of a couple miles. while weapons designed to blind people are specifically prohibited by the Geneva Convention, lasers are not. we put that provision in there because we knew we were in the process of developing lasers that would BLIND BYSTANDARDS as far back as 60 years ago.

The basic truth of the matter, is that war is hell. and its in mankinds blood to wage war. these truths are not about to change. we have set up some basic rules of engagement regarding the kinds of things that are "foul play," and this may eventually extend to AP mines.

but even the things we Banned over half a century ago, are being stockpiled "just in case" and are being sold to "lesser" countries for their petty conflicts that fall outside of the jurisdiction of the "big boys" like civil war in South America. NATO does not give a ****. they dont give a **** about the Congo, either.

we will happily sell those guys whatever nasty stuff they want to buy, because their not in our little club. so we keep making the biological weapons. and the chemical weapons. and sometimes, we do the nasty things our selves. we were not attacking military targets in Dresden or Tokyo, but the firebombings had a strategic objective.

you can express your outrage, but you will only frustrate yourself unless you actually make an effort to understand the motives behind the things people do. no one is making weapons for the express purpose of being evil. there is a method to all of it. you can disagree, but you have to realize that its there.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know, Thermodyne, I honestly dont know. I know that the US, Russia, and France all export alot, but the items from the US and Russia are probably more big ticket items. I know that France sells alot of missiles, and Fabrique Nationale exports alot of smallarms.

I also know that China is a HUGE arms producer and exporter, and I am pretty sure that the Ukraine is too. I know that ammunition is manufactured in all sorts of odd places, I bought some bulk lots of 7mm Mauser ammo from Columbia, a couple years ago. are you seperating Ammo from Munitions?

Germany and Austria both produce alot of arms, but I dont know how much they actually export. Japan has a very well armed "National Defense Force," but I dont think they are in the business of selling weapons.

I have some spanish swords, but I dont think those count. the UK builds some nice tanks, and their own fare share of smallarms, but again, I dont know how many actually get sold.

honestly, your question is far to specific to test anyones real knowledge of anything, and looking up statistics is not high on my list of things to do right now. but I would be interested in hearing the answer, and whatever conclusions you feel like drawing from that answer.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oooo aren't you clever. You got me. Give yourself a pat on the back. Yes land mines are just like automobiles.

I will now retreat from these politcal threads and go back to the game threads were people are actually friendly.

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"Hmm, yes I see. The atombomb over Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn't kill people, it was the one dropping the bomb who killed people."

You're not following. Civilians tend to stay the hell -away- from warzones when possible, and anyone who is blindly running around one tends to have problems aside from mines.

EDIT: speaking of which, I have to ask again why it's always Hiroshima that pops up? Why not, oh, the firebombing of the other Japanease cities, or the bombings of various European cities?

Once the shooting stops, then you have the problem with the mines. Because unlike other weapons they just sit there.

"(In US many says " it's not guns whoo kill people, people kill people", yeah, five year olds who find's their dad's gun!)"

Total number of deaths in the US:
2,391,399
Deaths by firearms, all causes:
28663

One percent; the majority of people killed were in the 15-29 range for men and 30-44 for women. Not exactly an epidepmic of 5- year olds getting killed.

Phoenix-D

[ February 13, 2003, 22:57: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">France? What about Belgium? We still find almost 200 tons a year of shells both conventional and chemical shells. Imagine. We are 2003 yet our fields are still full of them. And shells are not all we find: guns, bunkers, trenches, shelters, grenades, shoes, bullets and so on.
A friend of mine collects stuff from wwi and he once found a pair of shoes, with the feet still in there (decayed).

Whenever they start a rather big construction in the region of Ypres (where a lot of English soldiers where stationed and full of graveyards), they almost always bump into some forgotten trench or some other find that dates back to WWI. I mean we find a lot more stuff from WWI than we do from WWII. Might be logical because the frontlines didn't move that much here in the 4 years the war Lasted.
Almost every year a farmer dies when plowing his field because of a shell that hits the plow and explodes.
When my wife was little she was playing with small artillery shells that she and her sister had dug up in the backyard of the garden of her grandmother. Unexploded ones. Of course they where too heavy to lift. Imagine that. If they would have exploded, nothing would have been left of her. So in that respect, they might be as leathal as mines.
We even needed to build a special factory to clean up all the bombs and shells.

From WWII what we find most of the time is big bombs that where dropped by planes.
So Belgium is nice but you might want to check where you walk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[edit for yet another spelling mistake]

[ February 13, 2003, 23:03: Message edited by: minipol ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, the packaging is shaped very differently. The color of the so-called identical items was the same. (Finally found an image comparison in one of the US is evil sites.) Either that was a training round, or someone decided to make the submunitions a bright color so they could be easier to find by EOD teams.

Which probably proves the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" cliche.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Someone was very drunk or naive when writing this.

R.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh very nice. I offer my 2 cents worth and get accused of being drunk. Got anything less insulting to say?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some1, please don't be so arrogant to assume that you hold absolute truth and anyone that disagrees with you is naive. The only one being naive there is the person that believes they hold absolute truth.

Phoenix-D:

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for backing me up there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ February 14, 2003, 00:51: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Thank you for the clarification, Sinapus.

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Fyron:
Some1 breatched good netiquette with his post. But he has already appologized, and that should end it.

All off us posting in these political threads suffer more or less from the arrogance virus. We should all try to keep that patronizing tone out of our Posts.

EDIT: Oops! I did it again, this is hard.

[ February 14, 2003, 01:32: Message edited by: primitive ]

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I think the only reason we post in these "political" topics is becourse we are frequent posters here.
We somehow got the impression that we "know" eachother and therefore feel comfortable enough to talk about these things, and not only SE4 things.

I think this is a good thing.

And I think Mines should be Banned in SE4 aswell, those pesky buggers kill most of my ships!

IBSE4MT (International Ban for Space Empires 4 Mines Treaty)

Also, people under the age of 30 shouldn't be allowed to have Phased Beam weapons, they migh harm themself, how about that Fyron and P-D, can you find any statistics?

[ February 14, 2003, 07:29: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehehe, good humour http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Indeed, these discussions are far more civil, because forum members here have a kind of reporte. and yes, not only should those under 30 be Banned from PPBs, but those living anywhere within 100 miles of LA should be Banned from having APBs or NSCs, as well. Im sure Fyron would agree.

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Today I have received a mail from one of my US friends, we are working together in the same company division, just the ocean is between us:

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why not ban them for all, cuz i hate it when people pierce my shields
There are a lot crazy 30+ ers too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
cuz statsitically only 5year old may have weapons, they cause less deaths of all due to wepaons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I.Fyron, plz read all the Posts... cause what i said in that case where facts, ...IMO http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

R.

[ February 14, 2003, 10:40: Message edited by: Some1 ]

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Some1:
I did read all of the Posts, and that is the impression I got from them all.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

*Fyron stockpiles Mines, APBs, PPBs, and NSCs in a hidden location before any bans can take effect*

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree. I am a responsible Phased Beam owner. I have a 30kt phased beam generator which I keep locked up in my garage, and use occasionally to vapourise deer, rabbits and fowl for sport.

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You guys need to be disarmed! I am going to conference with GWB about that issue tonight.

EDIT: Uups, I cannot do that, I am German. So, probably I should ask Mr.Schroeder for a diplomatic solution.

[ February 14, 2003, 14:48: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

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I like Belgium, great beer, great food and really nice easy good looking women

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Alles wird gut! Soooooo guuuuuttttt! *Lalala*

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree. I am a responsible Phased Beam owner. I have a 30kt phased beam generator which I keep locked up in my garage, and use occasionally to vapourise deer, rabbits and fowl for sport.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've just signed a trade and research treaty with the Rabbits, we will also set up an science exchange so they will receive phased shields. They told me to tell you:
"Your garage shall burn with our vengeful fire"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, but the good thing is you get to go back to england after drinking, eating and sex while i'm stuck here

*minipol takes another beer to go with his fries*

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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[quote]Originally posted by minipol:

Quote:

Yeah, but the good thing is you get to go back to england after drinking, eating and sex while i'm stuck here *minipol takes another beer to go with his fries* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, minipol, I think what you have is a case of sour grapes really. Drinking in England is OK but these days, you seem to be surrounded by loads of drunk loud 15 year old boys who have 3 pints of weak beer and then think they are Bruce Lee.... doesn't make for the most calming of night;s out, and the draft beers tend to be warm, flat and taste like they have been strained through a tramp's gusset.

Eating? well, we dont quite understand customer service the same way in England as you do in Belgium.. Case in point, I went out for dinner on Saturday, my chicken was undercooked (it was still frozen in the middle) and despite 4 returns back to the kitchen, it was still cold in the middle (and no I wasn't having cold chicken salad before anyone asks), I refused to eat it (on the basis that I dont eat frozen meat that has not been defrosted properly) and god, did I have an argument with the restuarant.... Service? you dont know you have it so good... give me Breydal de Coninck's in Bruges anyday!

As for the women, well, I have always been a fan of continental women, at least when there is no chance that the current Mrs GT will find out about it!!!

Minipol, I am happy to swap with you, I would live in Belgium anytime

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This page should be BANNED as inhumane. I might never recover. Do they do diaphragm transplants?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you etting a 404 error message?

*Dogscoff sniggers childishly

Take a closer look at that error message...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I see. I work in IT so whenever i see an error page, i ignore it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif That's why i never saw or read the content

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, you are right. When it comes to food and drinks, Belgium is one of the best places to go. As for women, well, i can't shop "around" either because i would be heavy mutilated and beaten to death and so on by mrs minipol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif So i'm out of the loop as it where. Of course my eyes are still working http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
And the beer is kick*ss. Top of the line period. I once went to London, ordered a pint and it tasted like they had put grain in water, mixed it and there you go, you have a beer. NOT
Anyway, my mother remarried an English guy and he says there are nice English beers. But he lives in Belgium with my mum and only drinks Belgian beer so i don't trust him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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the link appears to be dead?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you etting a 404 error message?

*Dogscoff sniggers childishly

Take a closer look at that error message...

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Minipol, you are right there to an extent. I think that commercialism has taken hold and it is therefore extremely difficult to find a decent pint of draught bitter in many English bars, especially the trendy ones.

Now, regional beers and bottled "designer" beers are another matter. Bitter is making a very welcome comeback in England and any supermarket generally has a good selection of decent regional bottled beers, which are generally categorised by high alcoholic strength, great taste and brilliant names!!

Saturday night for me wouldn't be the same without a few bottles of Spitfire Ale ("Downed all over Southern England, just like the Luftwaffe <cue abuse>", "No Fokker comes close"), Adnams Broadside, Old Speckled Hen and Old Peculiar....

Makes me thirsty just thinking about it

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm, i like the sound of Spitfire Ale http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Funny names. I'll have to try them once i end up in England again. It's a shame the pound is so expensive for the moment compared to the euro.

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Canterbury is indeed one of the first places we stop when going to england.
I'll look for Shepherd Neame pubs next time i'll head over there. I might even end up in Manchester this year since my wifes sister went over there to work for Esso. She's the godmother, so she wants to see my son every now and then.
She asked if we could make it up there so who knows i might encounter a Spitfire Ale or Bishop's Finger sooner than i can imagine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

A year or 2 ago i went to Singapore for my job and as usual, i wanted to try a local beer.
They recommended the Tiger and Tiger classic to me and the later was quite good actually.
That's the nice thing about travelling, there could always be some nice surprises.

Hehe, anyway, i just drank an achouffe followed by a karmeliet
Yes, life can be good.
I still have a big bottle of Duvel waiting for me but i'll leave it to ferment some more in the bottle.

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Well minipol, we are complaining in the UK about the strength of the euro vis a vis the pound..

Tell you what, when you make it to England, I shall happily buy you a beer...

Spitfire Ale and its sister, Bishop's Finger, come from a brewery based around Canterbury and as that is the nearest sizeable town to the Channel Ports, I suspect you will find these beers when you visit.. look for Shepherd Neame pubs

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Well, when you drive from Dover to Canterbury (about 25km) on the A2 road, about 6km short of Canterbury you will see a sign post for a village called "Bridge". That is where I grew up and my folks still live.

If you get time and what to see what a "proper" village local pub is like, you can pull off into Bridge and stop at a pub called "The Plough & Harrow", it does good Shepherd Neame beer and is about as "normal" an English pub as you get

I like Duval, but tend to drink Kwak and Straffe Hendrick more when I can get it

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I definitely have to try a local village pub once.
I might stop by bridge the.
Straffe Hendrik is brewn in Bruges where i was born. It's a good beer but a bit on the light side. Still, very good taste.
Have you ever drunk Kwak from their specific glasses? They are very nice.
I like the glasses from Barbar too.

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Bit on the light side?? gosh, the Bruin is what I drink and that is 8.5% alcohol, you cant have too many scoops of that before you are talking rubbish and catching the beer scooter home (via the kebab shop) of course.

I have drunk kwak out of the proper glasses, altho I didnt realise you picked up the wooden stand as well and got laughed at by some Belgians for taking the glass out of the mounting

havn't tried Barbar,

Do like Foufon though, tastes like a really rank cider

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Now that you mention it,I am sure someone told me once that some part or product of pigs was used as a clarifying agent in cider, maybe dry blackthorn just has a bit too much of that??!! eek

Minipol, I fully endorse Dogscoff's remarks re cider but add the health warning that the stuff farmers sell out of the back of their Landrovers (and do try Theobolds cider if you get the chance in Kent) tends to be a combination of battery acid and rocket fuel with a hint of apples. You have been warned. Too much scrumpy and you will end up with a silly accent and a tendency to morris dance

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Arr, oi don't know what 'ee be talkin' 'bout.

* 'scoff waves some hankies about.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I used to know a guy who swore blind that they throw an entire dead cow into the vat when making cider. He was a dick though.

[ February 19, 2003, 14:32: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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Belgium is also well known for its Mr. Dut. and his special relationship with children. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (bad joke)

I cannot believe that it Last so long until he is judged by law. In the meantime I guess it is already some 4 years or so after they got him.

My advice to belgium judges is: "the time is over. No more games. Get off your arses and do your job..."

Like the rest of you I like also drinking belgium beer. (although I like the Austrian more)

bye
klausD

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Dont think I have ever had an Austrian beer (and I have been to Salzburg and Vienna a few times)

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Oh, there are very fine ones. Just try the "Stiegl" from Salzburg or the "Zipfer" from Linz (just to name some more popular)But as in many other countries there are alot of tiny private breweries which have excellent beer. Personally I like the czek beer best. I am living near the border to the czek nation and have easy access to it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

klausD

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My god, Minipol! Did you guys misplace a couple diamonds?

man, i wish i'd pulled that job. or at least held the door for a tip.