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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See... now we are making some headway. Much more useful post than most made in this thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It is always nice to see quotes taken wildly out of context. There is a significant difference between arguing against something someone posted and refusing to accept any criticism of things you have posted. That was posted after someone repeatedly refused to accept that some evidence he/she was using was wrong, and continued using it. It does not apply to myself because when I am wrong, I admit it and amend my views appropriately. I just happened to be right in the debate that was quoted from.

If someone was offended by something posted in an OT thread, then that person should not be reading OT threads. They nearly always get somewhat heated, and it is very easy to be offended when people post things that contradict your own world view. If I offended these people enough to make them leave the entire forum, then I am sorry. It was never my intention to drive anyone away. But, they should lighten up and not take things so seriously.

Also, I do not "flame every idea not [my] own". There is a world of difference between flaming someone for their ideas and holding more or less civil debates. When someone Posts something I do not agree with, I am well within my rights to post something arguing against it (as they can argue against anything I have posted). I do not flame these ideas, I just argue against them. Flaming them would consist of posting something like, "you're a moron, with stupid beliefs." I have never posted that.

... that was a bit long-winded. Oh well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nah, 16 year olds are still children. Most people don't start to mentally mature until around 18-20, if not later. Females usually mature at a younger age than males, but rarely by 16. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I will not incinerate your school. That would be a violation of policy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 01, 2003, 20:43: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Flame Tacular....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Flame Tacular....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not that this is any sort of defense, but.... posting anything in an OT thread like that is asking for trouble. If you don't want the possibility of such a response, you probably should not be posting in OT threads.

That was a minor indiscretion and poor word choice, not quite a flame. The thing is, all human emotions have been proven to be results of the chemical balance in our brains. What causes the particular chemical balance is our previous emotions, our current thoughts, stress levels (which are also maintained by the chemical balance), even the food we eat, and many other factors that I don't remember at present. Evil and good thoughts/feelings are not a result of little good guys and bad guys floating around trying to influence us. That is the sort of thing that people believed in the Dark Ages when they had no idea how the world around them worked. I should probably have said this, and not what I said in the thread. I apologize to Greybeard for this.

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Folks,
Life is short.
Can we accept a few things and put this all behind us?
1) Body language and Tone inflection do not come across in text.
2) There really is no reason to believe that anyone here meant to offend / upset / insult / piss off etc.. anyone.
3) What has been posted in text if delivered over a table with friends would have come across completely differently and no one would have taken offence..
4) We all have different personalties and when all is said and done it just does not matter how the post is delivered.

Can we accept the above and go forward with an unmitigated understanding:
If you think someone meant to offend then you probably misunderstood.

To define "Meant" - The person actually intended to offend / upset / insult / piss you off

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Good thing you are all getting this out of your system...

Gryphin Words of Wisdom my friend

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Fyron:
You asked why you was rated low. I answered.
Feel free to take my words as constructive criticism, or dismiss them as ravings from a mad man.

Either way this discussion is over from my side.

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Ahh finally a good forum with decent music taste (and i ain't talking about Europe - The final countdown either) Anathema rocks, Slayer is the greatest band ever (Reign In Blood kicks ***, though God Hates Us All is growing on me) and some of the original death metal bands are quite good (Emperor etc)

As for fyron i forgot to rate you, I'll be honest Fyron, you do seem to have a kind of "I'm better than!" you attitude at times. But then again since you are now ruler of the world and you did create the FQM i believe that i can forgive you for that minor fault, maybe it's a Vorlon Trait! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif anyway some of your put downs on other members are classic! Please go and sort out those Ruathalites in the thread that never dies, i believe they be getting too big headed since you left (JK, If my rating goes down i know i should have kept quiet! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) So you get another 5 Star rating from me!

Edit: Upon reading Fyron's profile i'm finally happy to find another person who has their birthday on september 11th, you have no idea how immature school kids can be "OMG Your Osama Bin Laden!" *sigh* and i thought 16 year olds were beginning to mature! So maybe you can send a couple of vorlon ships to incinerate my school, or do you have connections with the borg? I've always suspected my teacher as one... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 01, 2003, 12:16: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

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I just came back to SEIV and the forum after a long time away. I had fogotten all about the rating issue. I just rated you a 5 because I have found your Posts, your replies to my Posts and your website to be extremely helpful and informative. Thanks.

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One quick question: If the "big one" came and everything on the seaward side of the San Andreas fault fell into the ocean, would:

Alta Loma/Riverside, CA, USA

still be on land or in the ocean?

This is purely a geography-type questions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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raynor, it depends on what music was playing at the time.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First off, that is impossible. There is no such thing as a "big one" quake that could do that much damage. The area is not tectonically unstable enough for that to be possible. But if (and that is a big if) it did happen, Alta Loma would be screwed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I am prepared. I own future ocean front property in Arizona. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I doubt the coast of California will drop off any time soon. It is actually moving north very slowly, not dropping off. If you want to plan for natural disasters, the Yellowstone caldera would be a more likely candidate. And if you move up the coast, there are several million people that live in the shadows of semi-dormant volcanoes.

[ March 02, 2003, 16:26: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]

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Why is this forum loading so slow?
Is it my computer or the Forum?
I usualy fly through this threads.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I noticed this too.

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Actually, if you sit back and read this whole thread in a comfy chair with a cold towel on your head, it is quite disturbing.

Fyron, I dont mean any disrespect but from a independant viewing, you do come across as an angry young man with an axe to grind.

Is this because you have lived for so long with the threat of armaggedon vis a vis Alta Loma disappearing into the briny due to techtonic disaster? or is it because of your taste in music?

PS are there any Britney Spears fans on this forum

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh my, you are asking for the Slayer fans to slay you, burn you and then drop your carcass with a parachute in middle of a Britney Spear's concert.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Aloofi, would be a nice change as when I were a young lad and into my rock (this was when the likes of Nightranger, Van Halen, Danger Danger and all those glamrock bands were kicking around), Slayer fans tended to be greasy haired spotty yoyos and you could only tell which way they were walking cos of the way their noses would stick out of their hair!!!

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Slayer lyrics might be classified as Death Metal, but their sound its absolutely Speed Metal, though Death Metal is not classified only by their lyrics the way Black Metal is.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">NightRanger?
That the worst band ever! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
By the way, I have a very long hair and I have never had it greasy. Oh well, maybe after a concert... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
It all comes down to the care you give it. The trick is to wash it every single day, with the best avaliable sham for your particular kind of hair. In my case I use Pantene Pro-V.

And I'm not an Speed Metal fan, it just happen to be the music I hear to when i'm driving. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that picture is more disturbing than this whole thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats about as far from the truth as you can get. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is no threatof armaggedon in Alta Loma.

Taste in music says absolutely nothing about a person. I think it would be better if you dropped the stereotyping of people based on their musical preferences that you seem to do a lot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Hey, I lost another star!!!!

Now, will the offended come out and tell me publicly what I did "wrong"?

Yeah right.

Oh my, I've been infected with Fyron's virus! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats about as far from the truth as you can get. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">God, I hope I am not going where angels fear to tread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Fyron, you may be missing the point. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It was suggested that "you do come across as an angry young man with an axe to grind."

Whether it is actually true or not, to this person (and possibly others), you may be be giving this impression.

To reject it with "Thats about as far from the truth as you can get. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ", does not dismiss the feelings people have about the issue.

Assuming the statement "you do come across as an angry young man with an axe to grind." is an open and honest statement of what the person is feeling/thinking, a more appropriate response for a person who is genuinely searching for the truth is to ask, "What am I doing to give this impression."

It reminds me of a very bad joke played on immigrants who cannot speak English.

The jokester tells the immigrant that if he wants to be liked, he should respond to any question with "You are an *******."

Later, when the immigrant does say this to someone, the recipient of this statement can say "You are being very rude."

The immigrant could say, "That is not true."

And from the immigrants perspective, it certainly is not true.

But true or not, the immigrant is still doing something which gives the impression that he is being rude.

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I was a short haired slayer music fan.

And I would disagree on the statement that music says nothing about a person.

I take music very personally.

As you well know... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Music is a personal experience that we share and enjoy.

We relate to music. We also have songs that we treat as gateways to the past.
Like a smell or a great moment in our lives.

I will finish this later.

I have to go to hockey

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That future property wouldn't be located in an as-yet-to-be-named town of Otisburg, would it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[obscure movie reference]

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tbontob:
Trust me, I got the point.

Tesco:
I was referring to his stereotyping of people based on the music they listen to. Not everyone that listens to a type of music is the same as everyone else that listens to that music.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that's exactly the kind of response I would expect from someone with your taste in music, Fyron. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that's exactly the kind of response I would expect from someone with your taste in music, Fyron. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And just what do you think my taste of music is? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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What is this? A flame post? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
can't we all play nice?

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Fryon, you got my vote of 5, I have seen a lot of positive contributions from you all over the this forum!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Edit:
My 100th post, some day I will be ruler of the world http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 04, 2003, 17:35: Message edited by: JLS ]

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Mottlee, depends if you are the token Britney Spears fan....

So far, we have Imperator Fyron accusing me (and others) of judging people by their musical tastes, and Aloofi giving me the low down on the various types of "Metal" one gets these days (it were so simple when I was t'lad).

Dogscoff is stirring things up, Fyron is reacting to it, I am making wild and random accusations against people saying they like NSync, the Cheeky Girls or Wagner and you, in the middle of all this, ask us to be nice??

Perry Como fan, you can spot them anywhere

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Britney Spears 4ever!

Err, ok i lied.
I'm a Metalli-head, Metallica, Pantera and MegaDeth rating as my top3, with AC/DC Aerosmith and Zeppelin rating just behind. What genre of metal that places me in, I don't exactly know.

Quote:

Taste in music says absolutely nothing about a person. I think it would be better if you dropped the stereotyping of people based on their musical preferences that you seem to do a lot.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I dont think anyone here is stereotyping. I haven't really met anyone who judges one another by taste in music, which is good as being a fan of MegaDeth, people would probably expect some weird **** outta me.

I also have to say about that, that music does indeed say something about you, that's why we enjoy it, but people listen to music for so many reasons that nobody could ever hope to accurately state what that says about that person without knowing them, or accurately judge the difference between your average Backstreet Boys fan and Slayer fans. Well, except for better taste, and longer hair..... and mosh pits http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As for rating you, I rated you a 5, but your conversation about religion lowered my opinion of you a bit. You seemed unwilling to give a single argument any acceptance and were overly harsh, as well as unwilling to let the conversation go to a close despite the other person's intention of doing so.
Maybe I got the wrong impression from that, but it is indeed the impression I got.

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Hey yo, Mcleod, do you like Megadeth's Version of Anarchy in UK that is in the "So far so good so what"?
Lot of fans I know say that song is just an straight copy of Sex Pistol's original, instead of making a "megadethzed" Version.
Anyway, I do like it, but I guess some fans were expecting something more glamorous.....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm....not sure I want to say my thoughts on this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif on this tho would depend on what she has on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (dirty OLD man)

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know what? I don't like her. There is something about her that I don't like. Sometimes she looks better, but more than once I have seen something bad in her body, physically bad, like a deformation, an slight deformation of course, something that the eye can't catch but the subcouncious see, probably something like low hips or a desproportion.
I can't tell for sure what it is, and I don't always see it, but its there, believe me......
Have any one of you seen something like this in her?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The other person kept making counter arguments and then in the same post saying he was done. You can not do that. If you want to end a discussion, you say just that, not continue it. It is not my fault that he didn't really mean it when he said the discussion was over on his end (or if he did mean it, he implemented it incorrectly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

He only had 1 argument, and it was wrong. He just repeated the same argument over and over again. That does not make me "unwilling to give a single argument any acceptance" because I can not accept 1 argument that is inherently flawed. Had he offered many arguments, you would have a valid point. But, he only had 1 argument, and several pieces of evidence. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know what? I don't like her. There is something about her that I don't like. Sometimes she looks better, but more than once I have seen something bad in her body, physically bad, like a deformation, an slight deformation of course, something that the eye can't catch but the subcouncious see, probably something like low hips or a desproportion.
I can't tell for sure what it is, and I don't always see it, but its there, believe me......
Have any one of you seen something like this in her?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is probably that she has an unhealthy look (way too thin and all), and your subconscious picked up on that, but your conscious mind has been trained to see that unhealthy look as attractive.

[ March 04, 2003, 19:19: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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There was no single rock band worth listening since Nirvana. IMHO of course.

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Nirvana Rules!!!

Ahem... back on subject....

Yes, judging people by the music they listen to is rather stupid. I preffer to judge people on the type of shoes they wear. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Altough Nirvana didn't have bad music, i never liked them. I think he (Kurt) had an attitude problem. Hmmm. Now that i think about it, he seemed a bit like Imperator Fyron.
Maybe Kurt Cobain isn't really dead ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

( don't flame it's a joke or an attempt to one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, that's an attempt all right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif j/k

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron, the only reason I kept coming back to offer counter arguments was because you were putting words in my mouth, or computer in this case. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
In fact you did that in the Last two Posts in that thread. But I saw no need in continueing the conversation.
My arguments may be "inherently flawed" to you, but your arguments are "inherently flawed" to me. I'm not starting this again, I just wanted to clear that up. You never countered my arguments besides saying, "I'm right, you're wrong."

With that said, I'm going to continue lurking in this thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Ahhhhh I thought your were here for an arguement

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok Monty.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No I did not. Again, you are wrong. bwhahahah. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am not sure what else I could have said that I did not say, as the Bible was written after the historical events it supposedly predicted (or more precisely, the parts that did the "predicting" were written after the fact, as not all of the Bible was written at the same time), and the comment about more earthquakes recently as compared to when mankind "was put on earth" is just so wrong I didn't even know where to begin. That would require a massive increase in tectonic activity, which just is not going to happen within a century. Tectonic time scales are unfathomable to the human mind, and the plate tectonics of Earth take a long time for major shifts to occur.

[ March 05, 2003, 01:42: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are too much of a scientist here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You granted (in the other thread) that the perceived number of quakes might be higher today but not the actually numbers. That is of course a valid point. But then again the Bible does not say that the actual number of quakes will raise but just that there will be more quakes. Just more perceived or real is not stated and up to the reader. So both of you might be right, just a point of view.

Now you know why I study law. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Hmmm.. without going and finding a bible (I'm at work, and don't think it's likely that one is lying about anywhere) I need to harken back to my memory. I think the bible implies that there will be an increase in war, rumors of war, earthquakes, some other bad stuff, etc. Could it be that our advanced communications technology simply increases the amount of reportage on such events? And so the bible could be accurate, in that the average Joe will perceive that there are more wars, earthquakes, etc. as an artifact of our technology rather than know that there is or isn't such an increase.

i.e. who would have known in NY that a 7.0 tremor went off in New Deli in the early 1800s? But today, everyone in the western world finds out when a tremor 6.0 goes of in Ebbi A'boud Afganistan within about 1 hour!!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You forgot to add that Chewbacca is a wookie that lives on Endor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Hell, somebody rated me 1 star again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
I bet it was someone in the Moon thread. Everytime I say something politically incorrect I get a bad rating.
Lol, I think I understand now what Fyron was feeling when he started this thread........

I want 5 stars!
*runs crying into the night*

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I just never could put that into words. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You forgot to add that Chewbacca is a wookie that lives on Endor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">About this Bible stuff.

I don't know why they included Revelation in the Bible.

IIRC, it was written by John the Divine, a century or two after Jesus's death.

Now John the Divine is not the disciple John.

It just seems to be tacked on at the end of the Bible and seems out of place and out of sync with the rest of the Bible.

Maybe it was included to put the fear of the Lord into "us" Christians.

Now, before I get dunning Messages from Fyron et al, these are just my thoughts and are only presented to encourage a open-minded discussion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I just never could put that into words. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is nowhere near what you said though Rags.

That argument supposes that the claims of the Bible are based off of superstition, ignorance and false belief (about the earthquakes and other disasters). This does not seem like a good basis for such claims to me.

[ March 05, 2003, 20:42: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]