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How about a compromise. Include Intel... But your not allowed to use PPP or ship capture. But everything else is game.
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Yes, a random map with set starting points would work great. I agree with this.
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How about a pseudo-sphere map that has 3-4 WPs on each edge of the map that connect to the opposite edge? This would be similar to a Sphere Map, but would allow for more systems than a Grid does, and would also not look like a grid. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif The purpose is to try to reduce/eliminate the corner problem of the game, where starting off in a corner is almost certain death.
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Any thoughts to tech trading? I prefer tech gifts to be Banned so that folk have to go through the more arduous route of trading and gifting ships.
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Please no Gravey http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif , trading of tech is life and blood for the ferengi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . They cann't do without it.
So please allow this. and then the message we got about intel. Its stated their that intel should be off, but in this forum, more people are for using intel then against it??????? So what is the score: I vote to use intel (whithout ppp and ship cap.) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [ March 06, 2003, 06:11: Message edited by: sparhawk ] |
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It is the entire intel system that sucks, not just a few of the projects.
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I have read a lot about the Intel issue, and I have agree that it is best that we avoid it this game.
Nice map idea Fyron, if you feel up to it, can you generate one using Star Trek system names with around 200 systems? Tech trading? I would agree that Tech trading amoung trade and research, partners, and such is perfectly natural and should be considered for this game as the norm. |
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Do you have a ST names file to use?
I am not really into placing balanced HW locations and all that. Maybe someone else should make the map. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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Just generate a map so I can see what one looks like. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
The game will start on Monday. Geo, could you please, if it matters in the slightest way, upgrade the game to Fyron QM Delux 2.02. Thank you. I borrowed some suggestions and rules from other games. I hope you all don't mind. If you want to change any of these, or add to them, please post. We have plenty of time to hash out the additions or subtractions. Thanks. And if you have not yet JOINED the game, please do so as soon as you feel you can. The name of the game is "An All Star Trek" Crapy name, but at least it is close to the top of the list. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif NOTES: 1. If your going away on an extended leave please find a replacement player 2. If you miss 6 turns without giving a courtisy message I will be bothering you via email. 3. If you do it a second time or if it increases to 12 turns you will be removed from the game. 4. When you feel it is time for your empire to be marked dead. Send me an email I will go in and finish you. PLEASE do not just leave the game without notice. 5. If you have any problems please post them in the game forum or send me an email. 6. If you see anyway that I can improve as a game admin please feel free to let me know via post in game forum or email. 7. Please enjoy the game. (Atrocities) RULES: - Tech trading will be allowed for Trade & Research treates and above. Please keep the Tech trades equal. - No colony pop of differant type swaping. - Retroseries building - is allowed for those who use it. - Min-maxing of racial characteristics is allowed. - Using multiple training facilities on moons is allowed. - Time Distortion Bursts are Banned. ** I will add these to the description this weekend so please offer suggestions if you feel the need to. Thanks. |
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Tech trading is irrelevant.
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I thought time distortion bursts were fixed so why ban them?
And also, - No colony pop of differant type swaping. means no trading of ships with population onboard or planets right? You might want to make sure this one is very well highlighted so that no-one forgets. Sparhawk, I wasn't against trading techs outright, just that IMO trading them directly via gifts makes it all too easy. I prefer trading them via ship exchange. [ March 06, 2003, 14:58: Message edited by: gravey101 ] |
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OK , but I'm will be gone next week from tuesday till friday, sorry
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I am with Gravey, what's the explanation for the no TDB and no pop swapping rules? The Borg can't pop swap anyway since the drones remain connected to the continuum and cannot serve antoher race in this manner, but I can see why others may wish to practice this and it would be fully within character.
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TDBs are indeed fixed in 1.84.
Pop swapping should not be Banned. That missing 6 turns with no notice should be changed to something like missing 4 turns in a row with no notice. Missing 6 of 120 turns is not a big deal. Missing 4 of 8 turns is though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Quote:
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Hmm... this looks like fun, when do you plan to start the game? Can I still join? I don't have FQM yet but I can get it later tonight(it's to big to DL now), right now I'm getting the smaller race files. It said on the PBW post that the Breen were still available, but I don't see their ships on the link you posted, it just says "coming soon", can I get them else where?
Edit: Allright I found the breen on New age ship yards, will that be ok? and what do the Breen breath, I know it ain't oxegen(they may live on an Ice planet so I'll put them on one). All I have to do is get the FQM. do I need anything else? [ March 06, 2003, 19:18: Message edited by: Hugh Manatee ] |
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Hugh that set is the correct set at the moment.
The link I provided is to the new download site. When the latest Version comes on line, that Comming Soon will be replaced with a link to downlaod the latest Version. In the Information window, next to the Breen name, there is a link that reads "To view Click here" That will take you to the NASY site where it says "To Download, Click Portrait". Sorry about the confusion, and welcome aboard. That gives us I think 10 players now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif REVISED: Just generate a map so I can see what one looks like. The game will start on Monday. Geo, could you please, if it matters in the slightest way, upgrade the game to Fyron QM Delux 2.02. Thank you. I borrowed some suggestions and rules from other games. I hope you all don't mind. If you want to change any of these, or add to them, please post. We have plenty of time to hash out the additions or subtractions. Thanks. And if you have not yet JOINED the game, please do so as soon as you feel you can. The name of the game is "An All Star Trek" Crapy name, but at least it is close to the top of the list. NOTES: 1. If your going away on an extended leave please find a replacement player 2. If you miss 4 turns without giving a courtisy message I will be bothering you via email. 3. If you do it a second time or if it increases to 8 turns you will be removed from the game. 4. When you feel it is time for your empire to be marked dead. Send me an email I will go in and finish you. PLEASE do not just leave the game without notice. 5. If you have any problems please post them in the game forum or send me an email. 6. If you see anyway that I can improve as a game admin please feel free to let me know via post in game forum or email. 7. Please enjoy the game. (Atrocities) RULES: - Tech trading will be allowed for Trade & Research treates and above. Please keep the Tech trades equal. - No colony population swaping. (Conquer if you want it.) Or negociate a trade ONLY to achieve peace in a disputed sector that resulted in war. - Retroseries building - is allowed for those who use it. - Min-maxing of racial characteristics is allowed. - Using multiple training facilities on moons is allowed. ** I will add these to the description this weekend so please offer suggestions if you feel the need to. Thanks. |
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> do I need anything else?
Just to promise to be reliable and stay 'til thegame's end :-) Welcome aboard! |
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>Or negociate a trade ONLY to achieve peace in a >disputed sector that resulted in war.
Atrocities, I think I know where you are headed but I feel this is too vague, especially since the acquisition of foreign population has an ENORMOUS effect of the output of one's empire. I.e. in game terms it's a really big deal. |
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Negotiation is irrelevant.
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Gravey would you recommend that we just can populations trades period for this game? I am game either way, I feel that trading populations gives some players way to much of an advantage especially if they meet early on as opposed to other players first contact.
FQM Dx starts the players homeworld off with like a lot of population. So I think population growth won't be a problem. I honestly think that if you want another players population, you should take it from them in battle, and not through the back down while everone esles back is turned. If a third party is involved in the negociations, and can certify that a player conceeded a territory to another player as a means to obtain peace following a war, then I guess that will really have to be up to the players, and the arbitrator will have to post about his decision in the forum. I played one other game that did this a long long time ago, and I thought it worked well. It prompted some good role playing IIRC. If the system is abused, and I sincerely doubt it would be by you guys, then we can scrap it. What do ya say? [ March 06, 2003, 20:42: Message edited by: Atrocities ] |
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I personally prefer to have no population swapping at all, and have the acquisition by conquest only. This is usually what I try to play and find it works well.
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Atrocities, I'll get the mod setup tonight.
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At I like your game notes almost like mine. Guess great minds do think alike..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Mar 5, 2003 7:56:17 PM EST: Game News. 1. Game is now on 36 hour auto 2. Game will remain on 36 hour auto until 6 players are left 3. If you need an extension or are going away for a few days please post a message in the game forum. Extentions are 12 hours max per turn. 4. If your going away on an extended leave please find a replacement player 5. If you miss 4 turns without giving a courtisy message i will be bothering you via email. 6. If you do it a second time or if it increases to 8 turns you will be kicked 7. When you feel it is time for your empire to be marked dead. Send me an email I will go in and finish you , do not just leave the game without notice. 8. If you have any problems please post them in the game forum or send me an email. 9. If you see anyways I can improve as a game admin please let me know via post in game forum or email. 10. Please enjoy the game. (tescosamoa) Also I am up for no population swapping. Hell it should be that we can only colonize our own planet and atmosphere.... As it is the Trek world |
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I borrowed the ideas from you and a few others at PBW. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You guys seem to have it down.
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Gandalph played the Klingons Last game and seemed very keen to take them again. I'm pretty sure he will still want them in this one.
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does the fqm 2.02 have all those nifty Deathstaker mounts.... Cause that would be kool.... And if will really open up the different types of ships ...
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No mind change, just busy Last couple of days, that and it now takes hours to read this thread. My has it grown. I am on my way over to join right after posting this.
Edit - Alien pop by conquer only I think is good, no SM is fine with me as that's what killed the Klingons in the Last game. As for Intel, I agree it's not the best system, ie. all or nothing, but it is the system we have been playing this game with since it's inception and several Trek races do use intel extensively (the Klingons not being one of those), however, if it's gonna cause a big fuss, leaving it out is just as well. It is a GAME meant to be FUN! [ March 07, 2003, 01:40: Message edited by: Gandalph ] |
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Ok I got the race files and the FQM but I have a quick question about the FQM. It said in the read me that I needed the "imaged mod" from the link, well I got that but I'm not sure what to do with it... after I get that installed I'll Join at PBW
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The Image Mod has readmes that explain that you need to extract the files into the appropriate folders in Pictures\xxx. You can safely install the Image Mod in the default folders because it makes no changes to the default images; it only adds new ones. You have to rename the large bmps with the minis for each part of the Image Mod (eg: NewPlanets.bmp to Planets.bmp). Swing by my Image Mod mirror (linked in my sig) to make sure you have the latest Versions of the files, because some of the mirrors have out-dated files.
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Well, then we are almost ready to go, YES...
Lets see if the borg are still that aggresive because the ferengi will be ready http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif sparhawk |
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Ok I think I got it, I got the FQM(kick@$$ BTW) the Star trek races(also kick@$$) the image mod and my breen empire, now OFF TO PBW!!!
EDIT: Ok I've "Joined" and pending Atrocities aproval I then upload my EMP file right? I can hardly wait.... another Edit: I'm all set(empire uploaded and everything)!!! [ March 07, 2003, 17:14: Message edited by: Hugh Manatee ] |
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***%^$#$@&!!**^%&#$^@#&%#&&@#$* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
Small problem, When I was editing my empire, since we aren't using intelegence in this game I lowered the "INTELEGENCE" trait(which I now know controlls "REASEARCH") down to %50 in the editor, instead of CUNNING which effects the spy stuff. (you'd think intellegence would effect intellegence, but whatever I screwed up(I knew I'd do something), is it OK if I resubmit my empire file? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif |
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Ask teh PBW admins to remove the empire file you submitted in the Admin Requests section of the PBW forum (after PBW gets fixed up).
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Yes, I also like to change my empire file, but there are some problems with pbw.
So we cann't start anyway. Hope I am in time to change it, can you wait for that atrocities? Thanks sparhawk |
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just email the new .emp to atrocities and he can use it when he creates the game.
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At I will have the empire up on monday... Most likely around 6 PM EST... I am building up a custom list of Romulan phrases for ship names...
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I don't suppose anybody knows a few Breen ship names I can use?
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The ship sets do come with names files...
Tesco, the emp file only stores the design names file's name, not the design names in it. Create your empire using a text file named something like "Tesco's Romulan Names", and then add to it as you need to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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Atrocities, did you got my email with my new ferengi empire file??
Your email adres from PBW is bouncing back my emails. Sparhawk |
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yes I got it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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