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Works.

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Well, Monday is over, so....

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yep. we keep losing rp'ers.

ah well...they don't know what there missing. we're having all the fun...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
PLEASE COME BACK!

what do you mean, scaring them off?

anyway, i'm tired. more rp tomorrow.

LeeAnn Rimes - 'commitment'

[ July 02, 2003, 09:58: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Okay, I am officially back. I have successfully moved, found a (smaller) working HD, and will soon be purchasing two new ones. No luck so far on recovering my data, but I'll keep trying.

As for the RP thread, I will be jumping back in soon. I do need to get some other things taken care of before I'm full-time, but I will post once a day or so until I get all my problems resolved.

I apologize for holding you all up. I've enjoyed taking part in this, and I hope to be up and running full speed as soon as possible.

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we now have three people and a stuffed dummy and one stone wolf. welcome back.

[ July 04, 2003, 06:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I changed my post so that not nearly as much time passes. However, I saved a copy to my HD in a text file in case it still fits later.

[ July 04, 2003, 09:38: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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what's this a DO thread in the SE4 forum? or am I the one that's lost?

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I suspect Narf put it here to attract some of the SEIV crowd.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/o...xxrotflmao.gif

Seriously though, you could probably post the Wizard's reaction to finding himself on the roof of the manor, possibly have Narp wake from the noise of someone walking around on the roof.

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didn't think of that. thanks. although i think krsqk has a handle on the wizard's developing personality, at least under mind control.

yep, and it also serves as a place to discuss it. i think the attraction is gravitic, because rp'ers are sure taking a long time to accumalate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That was posted for discussion, correct?

It doesn't strike me as meshing well with the option for sentient animals and Minotaurs already encountered; sure, I'd go along with the no inherently evil nor inherently good races, considering that "good" or "evil" is often (but not always) a judgement based on what nation the one you have allegiance towards is currently/recently/soon to be at war with, or the other nation's economic/technological standing; goblins could simply be considered evil because their current ruling class are warmongerers, or because their economy crashed and many turn to thievery out of desperation, or because they are new to the region and haven't figured out which local vegetable fibers are good for weaving, and so wear lots of animal skins. Individually, each person makes their own choices.

As for attributes, superior and inferior are either context based (specific attribute(s) and their relation(s) to specific task(s)) or opinion based. Different races are ... different. That doesn't make one better or worse than another; elves may be, on average, more agile, but they are also, on average, physically weaker; dwarves may be, on average, physically stronger, but they are also, on average, less agile. Both developed societies, so both have the full capability to do anything that is necessary to build and maintain a society. Which is better depends on the situation. Such Dwarves would beat such Elves in tunnels; such Elves would beat such Dwarves in a forest; both due to the terrain being suitable to their abilities.

Further, one being stronger of weaker, more or less agile than the other only addresses averages; an exceptionally strong Elf may well be stronger than most Dwarves, and an exceptionally agile Dwarf may well be more agile than most Elves; it's the whole bell-curve thing.

Also, there are no real standard races besides humans (although that is probably why you used the quotes....); virtually every fiction book/mythos/tradition/RPG defines their own variants of each. In one, Elves might be slightly taller than humans; in another, slightly shorter. In still another, they may be very short (couple of feet) or tiny (height measured in inches, sometimes less) - I've read books with all four Versions (some in the same book!), as well as comperable variations for other types, one book that turned the short weak elf concept on its head, making big strong elves. RPG's usually define the different types of races as having their own strengths and weaknesses that balance out on the whole with the others. Sometimes there is an imbalance, but this is usually balanced with some kind of penalty (reduced starting EXP, or a greater EXP cost per level, special weaknesses, social stigmas, et cetera - mind you, these are usually only appropriet when you have specific numbers such as EXP or assigned stats to play with, which isn't the case here).

Morover, most such differences could be attributed to culture; dwarves distrust magic and rely on their own senses, so magic doesn't like them, which gives them some measure of immunity to spells cast directly on them, but also impairs their ability to cast spells (alternately, they could be skilled enchanters, making dwarven artifacts of reknown). Elves are good with the bow because it is the weapon most commonly used in their society, due to hunting requirements, perhaps (sort of like how virtually every US citizen knows how to drive a car; it's mostly because almost everyone has one; a cultural thing). Culture of this type even happens on modern Earth. Japan-based instruction focuses strongly on memorization, so first-generation Japanese immigrants often have better memories than US born people. Does this mean people of Japanese decent are inherently better at memorization? Probably not - it's most likely just a cultural difference; they are good at what they have been made to do all through school because they have a lot of practice at it.

On the plus side, different races can add text and atmosphere to the conversation; it might come up that goblins were once elves, but became as they now are due to some warlords forcing them out of their forests and deep into mountain caves for several generations. Likewise, a character whom many NPC's react well/badly towards on sight because of their pointed ears/short stature/green skin/whatever could also add character development, text, and atmosphere.

Mind you, you don't want to saddle someone else's character with any of this type of thing; if Sue's elves don't have the same mythos as Johnny's, that's fine - they are different variants (wood elves and mountain elves, perhaps; wood elves might be commonly viewed as thieves while mountain elves are considered paragons of virtue or vice-versa; I'm inclined to leave it up to the person playing the PC for the details of the specific variant they are playing). I have no objection to allowing non-human races for entering PC's. NPC's may be a different story, however.

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I would tend to lean toward including non-human races. I would add that, as a matter of courtesy, one should only assign cultural traits to an NPC that negatively affect their own character. Positive traits are less problematic, but can still interfere with character/story development. Checking with the other PC(s) by PM beforehand is probably the best option if one wishes to affect their character.

Besides, if we don't have other races, how am I going to include that half-orc, half-dwarf dragon-riding mage-warrior? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And, no, it's not myyyy precioussssssssssssss. Although it did have me laughing out loud. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just about. The goal of the council is to further the science of magic. Once life-extension techniques are known, nearly infininte energy is available due to the Harnessed Uncertainty Jewels, and food can be created from energy, combined with an emphasis on sharing knoweledge as a means to increasing it, it is quite possible to make disadvantaged classes basically dissappear. A small number of missionaries could concievably spread knoweledge, food, culture, techniques, et cetera at a cost of time (and not really anything else). With virtual immortals, time isn't an issue. Parents would teach their children, and the techniques would eventually become sufficiently widespread that people would start demanding it be taught in an orginized fashion (like basic math and computer skills, today). With magic so commonly available, just about everyone will learn some of it (sort of like reading or driving in the United States - almost every adult knows how, just because it is so common and so necessary for everyday life). If Life Extension gets added to the curriculum, just about everyone will learn. How many people would skip immortality classes? And of those who did, how many wouldn't go back and try again later on in life, especially once it was obvious that they worked? Those that don't would soon be an extreme minority, as they slowly die off of old age. Some might purchase magic items that have similar effects (sort of like buying Windows for your computer rather than learning C and using Linux - it's a trade off of money vs. personal effort). I'm basically just building the world in my head and running through probable consequences of the way I have described things as being run.

This would also likely happen with flight and/or teleportation as well.

As conjoured food is tasteless, farming would still happen, primarily for the flavor of decent food. Many would still pay craftsmen for their labor (whatever the craft) rather than learning it themselves. People will still want payment, so they can buy food that tastes good. An economy would build around this, preventing socialism from fully developing. However, even those that wouldn't work would still be fed; however, they would never be satisfied with a lifetime diet of tasteless food, and would be likely to try to imporve their station (get a job/farm/hunt/et cetera) to get better tasting stuff and to pay for any desireable gadgets. Also, the economy would run greatly around the mages and farmers, although they would likely end up being treated much like skilled engineers today.

Mostly, think of the Federation in Star Trek: the Next Generation (or Voyager or Deep Space Nine), replacing science with magic and tossing in immortality as a common thing.

Of course, the final exam on the Advanced Immortality class would be murder.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Makes sense. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again, this makes sense to me. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Me too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 09, 2003, 04:33: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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ok, i don't know what happened to my original post on this, i couldn't find it.

i have no objection to different races.

i do object to 'elves are good, orcs are evil'. elven culture might be good, in focussing on learning and peace, but like you said, that would be there culture.

i don't object to strengths and weaknesses.

i do object to 'elves are superior, orcs are inferior'. in other words, if elves are long-lived, gracefull and inheritly skilled at everything, it's because they spend a lot of time studying life-extension and body-manipulation magics, which would give them extensive weaknesses elsewhere - perhaps more than if they took a more balanced approach.

regarding humans, i do object to the 'humans are somehow superior and have no specific strengths and weaknesses' attitude.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">huh? you mean, if your an elf, the npc is an elf, you shouldn't give all elves massive bow skills?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, everything but the dragon is fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

how are you going to balance that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

i can see several ways an immortal society could be 'fragile': ambition or lack of drive, extended anxiety over all they've got to loose and/or major recklessness, boredom. basicaly, although everyone would have a lot of time to 'be all that they can be', they would also have a lot of time to 'be all they shouldn't be'. extremes.

[ July 09, 2003, 06:23: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I think I'm in agreement with you. No inherent strengths without balancing weaknesses, and vice-versa. No arbitrary racialgood/evil, although cultural good/evil is acceptable. No "humans mop up the board" stuff. Does that about cover it?

I do think that across the board, the average human's strengths/weaknesses would be less min/maxed. However, I also think that the human race would have more distant extremes and a vastly wider variety of skills present in any randomly chosen subset. In other words, there really would be no racially-determined human trait--the "average" skill level is only obtained by averaging all humans.

I mean, don't create an NPC which does not interact well with a PC without first checking with that PC. I would also be careful with the scenario you gave, though--I think the less racial determinations are messed with, the better. Some generalizations such as "Most elves are faster than most orcs" would be fine, but things with strong in-story effects should be related to the character rather than the race where possible (even if they are overall true for the race)--it leaves more flexibility for both your own PC and other PCs when writing.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The dragon is afraid of mice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 09, 2003, 06:27: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

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well, humans do tend to be more varied than most fantasy races. how about we try to change that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Let's see if I have this right. Every race is varied, with only the slightest (if any) racial modifiers. Instead, modifiers should be cultural and/or character-specific where possible.

OT: did you see my response to your OOC? Which were you concerned about?

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well, for an example, why should all dwarves be strong and stout? that sort of thing.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">posted July 05, 2003 22:54 in the Roleplay thread, edited July 07, 2003, 16:26; the full quote:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay - I was reading you a bit off of your intent, then; my bad. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In much of the fiction on the subject, humans mostly just ended up overrunning the other races by force of numbers; long lifespans lead to low birthrates, so it takes the elves millenia to recover from a war, but only decades for humans. Humanity usually ends up with less culture and skill than Elves or Dwarves, but the numbers make up for it. It's a difference, advantageous in war, disadvantageous in prolonged periods of peace (overpopulation). <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">huh? you mean, if your an elf, the npc is an elf, you shouldn't give all elves massive bow skills?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I suspect he means that If you are an Elf, and another is an Orc, you shouldn't give that NPC an intolerance of Orcs; just Elves. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, everything but the dragon is fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

how are you going to balance that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dragon scales fetch a pretty penny at the market; there will be a lot of people trying to hunt the dragon down. Besides, the dragon is a pet. If it isn't too bright, someone might steal it.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Krsqk made him up, not me. About the only personages I've named from Jack's home plane are Jack's Master, Yargoth and the tyrant mage Thozray whose overthrow resulted in the formation of the Council.

[ July 09, 2003, 06:41: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">'Cause all the tall, skinny ones with glasses got laughed at and beat up? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I agree with that point, as long as neither extreme is pushed (neither "All dwarves are like such and such" nor "There are no characteristics which are statistically identifiable as 'dwarvish/dwarfish.'") It would make sense that some characteristics would be shared throughout a race, just as much as they would be among families. And dwarves would be more distinguishable to each other than to other races (again, speaking in generalities).

[ July 09, 2003, 06:48: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

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oh. silly me, i was looking here.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i suggest we average out everybodies lifespans, that smacks to much of individual superiority or infereority to me, which is also something i want to aviod - one elf better than one human. minatuar's, as i'm thinking of them, are and this is also up for discussion, 10-14 feet high and 1000-2000 pounds, with bony pads interconnected with something flexible for feet and looking vaguely bull-like, including a pair of horns. this would make them great formation fighter, as long as you din't get around to there sides, because they wouldn't be that agile and would give them a major disadvantage in rocky ground. plus, they could be hit more easily with range weapons. on the other hand, can you imagine a minatuar ballista? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

for there culture, i'm thinking scattered villiges with them being recent arrivals.

the way i've been thinking of it, the plane where on is a sort of third world compared to Jack's. maybe we should compare impressions/what we've been aiming for?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">oh, so you don't give a npc something that will make that npc a disadvantage to another pc? makes sense now.

*kicks self*

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aww, i want it afriad of mice...

ah well, there's always elephants...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yep.

[ July 09, 2003, 07:02: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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[ July 09, 2003, 07:20: Message edited by: Phule ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm replying to ooc conversation from MOTMA here, so I suppose it does get confusing quickly, doesn't it? I ought to be clearer next time. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i suggest we average out everybodies lifespans, that smacks to much of individual superiority or infereority to me, which is also something i want to aviod - one elf better than one human. minatuar's, as i'm thinking of them, are and this is also up for discussion, 10-14 feet high and 1000-2000 pounds, with bony pads interconnected with something flexible for feet and looking vaguely bull-like, including a pair of horns. this would make them great formation fighter, as long as you din't get around to there sides, because they wouldn't be that agile and would give them a major disadvantage in rocky ground. plus, they could be hit more easily with range weapons. on the other hand, can you imagine a minatuar ballista? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

for there culture, i'm thinking scattered villiges with them being recent arrivals.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Works for me - we do get to make up our own fiction, after all; there ios no real reason to follow someone else's model, is there? <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jack's not the type to view things as better/worse. When confronted with the fact of secretive mages, he just called it strange, not bad. He keeps an eye towards getting home so he can continue his studies in his master's library; in the meantime, he is enjoying his vacation in this less structured world. He actually has everything needed to restart his home society in MOTMA (Free energy, food from energy, immortality, and the right mindset with a solid rationale behind it) if it would only occur to him. Meanwhile, his mindset means he is liable to answer any question put to him, even if it is better not to do so. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">oh, so you don't give a npc something that will make that npc a disadvantage to another pc? makes sense now.

*kicks self*

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Dragon scales fetch a pretty penny at the market; there will be a lot of people trying to hunt the dragon down. Besides, the dragon is a pet. If it isn't too bright, someone might steal it.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
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aww, i want it afriad of mice...

ah well, there's always elephants...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dragons haven't been introduced yet; your's can be afraid of mice. It could be a personal quirk on the part of the dragon. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yep.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">However, some people may believe the first; stereotypes happen on Earth, they could happen on MOTMA as well.

[ July 09, 2003, 07:27: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well, i was speaking more about the amount of magical learning and orginization. sorry, guess i should have been more clear. basically, i've writing with the assumption that the magical knowledge and the guild organization is about a factor lower than Jack's plane, with less known in general and much less organized. i wasn't sure what you or Krsqk where heading for, and was worried we where going to have a collision. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

i saved this to.

[ July 09, 2003, 08:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I was operating under the following assumptions:

1) Less in general is known about magic in this plane, due mostly to the uncooperative nature of wizards, and possibly because the plane is newer than Jack's home.
2) Wizards have done at least some organization (into multiple guilds) and have progressed beyond endless guild wars (although they are still not cooperative with each other).
3) The three most powerful guilds (and most of the smaller ones, as well, out of necessity and/or the need to get along with the powerful guilds) have developed a means of settling disputes between their members short of outright war.

I also think it quite reasonable that one race would hold to stereotypes of other races. Elves very well might think orcs are stupid, wicked creatures. Oops, did I just stereotype elves and orcs? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 09, 2003, 21:25: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

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ok, good. although, if where going to keep the continents mostly seperate where going to have to:

a: invent a good reason for it (magical interfence?)

b: keep the major guilds confined to have basically mostly seperate subsections on 2-3 continents only.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about something more mundane? Magical teleportation methods require that the teleporter have either been to or seen the place in question, and most travel is prevented due to fierce sea storms and poor navigational skills (or superstition?) requiring ships to stay within sight of land. This would severly limit guild alliances; there would only be a few that could travel the distance. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps the guilds require state license to operate in an area; then most guilds would be limited to a single region, with the larger guilds having license in several. Then guild borders would follow political borders. We wouldn't even need to make lots of continents.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">that would work.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">that would do it.

hmm. continent number...given the rough seas, there's no reason not to make that a mystery. i vote for making this one small, maybe the size of canada, and putting two similair sized continents nearby. that would give us room for 7-9 major kingdoms with little stuff here and there and new places to explore later on.

ok, i really should sleep now.

[ July 10, 2003, 09:05: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Hmm. Perhaps the mad Emperor Estep (or whatever his name was) and his weather-magic meddling is responsible for the unstable state of the seas. Narp's offhanded comment about good weather mages fixing things could explain why it's a little calmer around land. How long ago did Estep live? Assuming there once was a time when intercontinental travel did occur, we could now have legends about mysterious, far-away lands and stories about fantastic treasures/dangers/inhabitants. Twenty or thirty thousand years should be sufficient for a good deal of nonsense to get mixed in with whatever truth used to be known.

narf: check your PM for an update to the About MOTMA thread.

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it's been stated as 300 years, but i beleive that could be changed without very much else needing to be changed. could everyone check there Posts and get back to me, please? thanks. or, i could just change the original and let our hordes of loyal readers point out the glaring errors.

assuming we have a loyal reader. i mean readers.

[ July 11, 2003, 00:09: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't mentioned again.

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There you go. Just add a couple of zeros (after all, you'd be adding a bunch of nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) and that would take care of it. Or, to preserve consistency, we could create another mad (fill in the job title) who did similar things with the weather twenty-five thousand years ago, and we have messed-up seas and no reason to cross them since, as no one's taken the time to risk their life to calm them down. Maybe that's Arthur's calling in life (once he resolves all these personal issues he seems to have).

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i moved him back 30-50 thousand years. yeah, getting out to sea to calm those waves could be the major problem, but having the problems stired up again recently doesn't fit in with little being known, since the continent has some very active scholar's, past and present. Narp would know something. might not be relevant, but he'd know something. besides, narf's brain is kaput. if you want to, try argueing me into activity tommorow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 11, 2003, 06:42: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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clicked reply, tried to click on a tab, accidently clicked on an advertisement, clicked reply just to make sure.

[ July 11, 2003, 06:32: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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if i get over my headache...i'll still be busy. then i'll be tired. then i'll post.

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translstion: no post for today.

[ July 15, 2003, 06:48: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Hope you get to feeling better.

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

yep. feeling better. sleep always does that. thanks.

new proposals: psionics are less powerfull than magic, but aren't suseptable to various substances. and for psionic abilities...

telepathy: can control one person by force, but that person tends to move woodenly. can influence a crowd, but it is only effective if it's something the crowd wants to do. can influence one person and as long as they aren't aware of it, it's effective. once they are aware of it, the telepath is fighting on that person's home ground, while the telepath has to project his/her power. can also hear thoughts, although generally only surface ones when dealing with a crowd. when dealing with one person, it doesn't help if there moving.

telekinises: bLast stuff, throw stuff and maybe figure out where stuff is by trying to move stuff a little and seeing how it resists.

clauraudience: ability to see and hear other places like the psionic was actually there. and higher levels, combines with telekinises to bring the telepath there.

suggestions? i say no telling the future, it's almost as bad as time-travel.

damping flour: general name for any number of magic damping substances, ground up and put in a seive-like bag, which is put in another bag. is taken out of the normal bag and thrown when used. ranges from better than nothing and cheap to 1-3 seconds added onto a wizard's spells and a drain on any spells in the area and not so cheap. less usefull after it has settled to the floor and spells tend to render it into it's component elements.

damping dust: general name for more usefull damping substances, ranges from a little better than damping flour to an annoyence even to high-level wizard's, although the price goes up to match. some types are made of elements that also resist magic and some have spells on them to keep the dust foating. this also costs more.

adamantium: hard, inflexible and resistant heat, cold, magic, acid and also heavy, adamantium can only be worked using special fuels and equipment or with magic. generally, swords and armor made with adamantium are much thinner than steel swords and the weapons have a lead core to give them neccesary weight. reletivly cheap adamantiem weapons are 1/4 inch adamantium over lead and still much better than a steel sword. generally, 1-3 in 50 will have an adamatium or mithril weapon, although it will be of the cheaper kind.

mithril: not as hard as adamatium , but very flexible for a metal and lighter than steel, mithril is used in much the same way as adamatium and it tends to bend rather than break. in fact, a sword of mithril can be stabbed into a stone wall with full body-weight behind it and it will only bend back - an leave a gouge in the wall.
cheap mithril weapons are cheaper than adamantium since they will no longer bend. slightly more expensive ones tend to be thin. mithril is generally used only for light weapons since they don't need the weight and for light, flexible armor.

[ July 15, 2003, 19:40: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't mind at all, especially as the first time in the thread he put that particular spell on something, it was a rock.

P.S. Glad you're feeling better.

[ July 16, 2003, 09:15: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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oops.

um...where you being sarcastic?

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No; it's a flexible spell, as are all the spells Jack uses.

By the way - those bandits are likely in for a nasty dose of reality when they attempt to take the manor (if the telepath is busy, that is; if not, he can quietly support them, making things go much easier) - even hastily raised fortifications are difficult to overtake (and a manor's defenses wouldn't be hastily raised - they are built into the structure of the building); that's why they built castles prior to gunpowder, and fortresses even after. Outnumbering the defenders 100 to 30 isn't enough of an advantage to make taking a fortress easy ... but that's okay; bandits aren't likely to have much seige experience, and might very well think it would be as easy as a 100 to 30 advantage would be in an ambush situation. Likewise, they could be depending on the Psi's support - which may not actually materialize, if we reach the telepath before the bandits reach the manor (he'll be distracted...).

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

well, i was thinking of a sneak attack - the bandits climbing up the wall at about the same time the alarm is raised. in that case, there would be enough.

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That works.

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Krsqk? hello?

did your computer crash? no updates!

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

My Last post in MOTMA was directly asking a question of Narp, so Krsqk could be waiting until that is answered before posting.

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

and now i can feel embarrassed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ July 18, 2003, 07:22: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Sorry about that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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why? your not the reason i felt embarrased.

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

I did kinda sneak it in a the very end of a line dealing with other things. I didn't mean to be sneaky, but looking back I was a little sneaky with it.

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Don't feel embarrassed. I had an entire reply typed out and ready to post, but I double-checked something on Jack's post and caught that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But, no, my computer didn't crash. Thanks for asking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: this is a thread to attract SE4 forumers to the first Dungeon Oddessy roleplay thread
 

don't worry, i won't wack you on the head for it.