Re: not a SEIV Olympics thread anymore
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let the Commonwealth Nations form a team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">if that happens, the SE olympics would Last only 10 seconds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I'm not sure if their are enough players, or if I have enough time for the SE Olympics, but go "TEAM OZ"

I don't want to hear anyone start picking on the Commonwealth Games. Australia has to win some Gold Medals somehow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Plus We will be holding the 2006 Commonwealth Games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Edit - At least Australia didn't get lumped in with the colonies...

[ July 04, 2003, 01:24: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

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Rojero,
Was that an offer to help run this?

I'm open to ideas.
Currently I have:
Lithuania team:
Pablo
Dreiko
Nirtus
Breakable
BbegemotT
Angeliux
Team USA
Atrocities (Atrocities)
geckomlis (Gecko)
Mathias_Ice (Mathias Ice)
Ragnarok (WarLord Ragnarok)
General Woundwort (Woundwort)
Rojero (Rojero)

Team Canada:
TerranC
Tesco
Katchoo
Taera

Game Specs
Racial points 3000
large map (fqm?)
3 good starting planets
trade/intel/ruins whatever allowed
no AI of course
Ships/units - 5000
tech cost medium
tech start: low

Any More Ideas?
I'm guessing there is no interest in any part of The Gryphin Convention such as:
No Weapons of Mass Destruction
No Intel
No Mines
?

[ July 04, 2003, 01:32: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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With such large teams, Intel is quickly going to get ridiculous. I vote for No Intel.

[ July 04, 2003, 01:43: Message edited by: geckomlis ]

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Team Oz!!
There should be more than enough Aussies around for an Australian Team - So Canada - Battle of the (former) colonies?

Count Joachim in For team Oz.

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This sounds like an awesome idea!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'll stay tuned for thoughts on it's organization.

Right now, my time is sort of limited... so I can't commit just yet...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not only are all three of these good ideas, I'd throw in "no colony trading" just to make things interesting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Does exist time for another team?

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In honor of the occasion...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1057284519.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, guys, we can't leave the South American contingent out of this!

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No Intel sounds good to me.

How about No Trade? because otherwise the game would not be AS fun (big teams, high-tech would be there in no time)

And my favorite... Can Only Colonize Own Type Of Planet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif which might well replace the No Trading Colony Techs.

Cmon Canadians, i know there are more of you there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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MB, I'm sure we can one way or the other.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, guys, we can't leave the South American contingent out of this!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm trying to recruit Erax and Andres... and/or somebody else that would like to play! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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If we can only get 3 players for you I guess:
1) Give two races each, hm..
2) Reduce the number of players you face
3) Players from an other area, OZ maybe?

[ July 04, 2003, 03:33: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can count that one? That's like New York calling Long Island a Dependancy.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My suggestion is some kind of combination of team and solo games. For example with six players per team you could have three team games with two man teams and six solo games. Each player would only have to play two games, so it wouldn't be a tremendous strain. Then some point system to determine who wins the medals.

Geoschmo

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Another option, if you can't get enough players for the other national teams would be to have a format similer to the Ryder cup in Golf. Two teams, Americans vs the rest of the world. Yes the Ryder cup is America vs Europe, but you can tweak that.

Expand the teams to 12 or 14 players each. Again each player plays two games. One is a 2v2 team game, and the other is a 1v1 solo match.

Geoschmo

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Count me in for Team Canada http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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If you're looking for suggestions on game settings I'd strongly recomend no tech trading. Tech trading would mean that some highly competative team with players with too much time on their hands could plan all their research in intricate detail knowing they could trade for other things. I prefer a slightly more laid back game.

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One more seting: no mods
so 'LT gang' declear setings. USA team write your setings resume.

p.s. Maybe this setings in future will be SE4 Olimpyc games rules :0

Re: not a SEIV Olympics thread anymore
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can count that one? That's like New York calling Long Island a Dependancy.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This link should give you an explanation why.

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Posting the following so everyone has a point of reference. Items in bold are open for discussion:

2003 PBW Olympics Lithuania vs. USA
Event: Furball

Max Players: 12 (6/6)
Turn duration: 36 hours
Turn automation: Fully automatic turns
SE4 Version: Stock v1.84 (Gold Patch 3)

Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 3
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Allied
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 3000
Quadrant type: Mid-Life
Quadrant size: Large
Event frequency: None
Event severity: N/A
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: Last Alliance Standing
Maximum units: 5000
Maximum ships: 5000
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: N/A
Computer player bonus: N/A
Neutral empires: None

Other game settings:
- No Intelligence
- Players can only colonize home planet type
- No Gifts\Tributes
- No Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades
- No Ruins on planets

Please post corrections, additions, comments, and votes.

Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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what about team canada? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif heh, do Lithuian players want to play two games?

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I prefer ALPU, as it is summer now and I may leave for some time to wacation.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax are very funny (probably only an urband legend)

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Heee no dutch team...TIMSTONE ARE YOU HERE STILL AROUND!!!!
EARTH CALLING TIMSTONE and any other dutchmen on this forum.

But otherwise a european team would be a good idea, I'm in.
And than we can also include the english...then they are a Last part of the E.U. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

sparhawk

dutch or european team:

1. Sparhawk
2.
3.
4.

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Why without trade/inteligent/gift? Pleaze write arguments. In our LT setings trade/gift/inteligent etc. alowed.
nirtus-LT

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well the Lithuanians and US can do what the want but for the Canadian game my 2 cents on this is:

The first one: Boooring! This adds a huge element of luck to the game since the number of colonizable planets are few and far between. plus it cuts way down on the number of decissions you have to make. (Gee should I colonize those red planets or build warships.)

The Last 3 I think are OK

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghm. IMHO More complicated game = more intresting. It will be more chalenging game, more chance to one or another team made a mistake. Teamplay mean that you must work together, coordinate your research, divide resources. Game features are built for playing with them, not for disabling.

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We decided that LT Team requirements will be:

Intel ON
All trade ON
Can colonize all planets ON

Race points better 3000.

[ July 04, 2003, 13:28: Message edited by: Angeliux ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And options buttons are included so you can turn them off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I didn't mean to start an argument, to each his own. I only add my comments here for consideration for a future Team Canada game. Personally I am not interested in playing a game were tech trading is allowed as it adds an insane level of micro management. I would also not really like mines. 5 teamates getting together and adding 500 mines to a warp point just seems cheesy. (and would really bog down the game)

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Game Specifications
I’m Trying to be fair here.
This started out as a challenge by the LT preferable to play against one team all from one nation. It evolved into being considered the SEIV Olympics. Within 24 hours a few of the Game Specs were issued by the LT.
To be fair I need to ask the LT if:
1) They are in favor of the SE Olympics concept
2) Prefer to go back to their original challenge to play against a single team from with all players from single nation.

In the case of going with SE Olympics then there may need to be a need to compromise on the Game Specifications
In the case of reverting to the original challenge then you have a greater chance of finding one team to accept on your terms.

In the event you prefer to go with your original challenge then we can start a new thread and pick up where we left off on organizing the SE Olympics with no hard feelings.

If you would like to discuss this privately please write to:
se@windingstream.com
Note: this is not the same address as in my profile.

Thanks

[ July 04, 2003, 14:08: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Second thought:
The Olympics are made up of many different types of challenges.
I could see games with and without various elements including possibly the full suite of the Gryphin Convention.
< list later >

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I think the SE Olympics (expanding it from the LT challenge) has the most possibilities for fun.

(yeah, I'm commenting though I will follow Geo's lead of helping the USA team by NOT playing)

And, of course, another hand in the pot makes it difficult to stir properly.

But...

A few random suggestions (these are directed toward a worldwide olympic style approach):

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Smaller teams make for better moving games. I'd suggest 3 at a max and possibly 2. In the case of an odd number of players wishing to represent their country, I suppose a team of 3 or 2 would be workable. Also, this would allow for more countries who can't field a team of 4 or 5 or 6.
  </font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geo's comments and suggestions are very worth listening to. A team concept with a solo addition is similar to the real olympics. It would take some more management, of course. In concert with the above comment, it would also allow a person to at least represent their country if they happen to be the only one available.
  </font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Once a format (what is and is NOT allowed) is decided upon, no variations should be allowed throughout the whole challenge.
  </font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If it goes olympic "worldwide", then the duration could justify a small webpage. Also, while each person is representing their country, I'd suggest a small banner graphic in each person's "signature" to signify they are a representative in the Olympic match. (I'd be glad to design it for each country using their flag integrated with a simple "splash" if there was enough interest)
  </font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anyway, just some thoughts. The thread has incredible interest and activity so I couldn't keep out of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps we could do two teams of 3 from those countries that can muster the manpower (USA, UK). That way more games could be run simulaneously.

[ July 04, 2003, 19:19: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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Unless there is signifigant objection it will be:
ALPU till September and can then be renegotiated.

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BTW: This is a cool idea:

If it goes olympic "worldwide", then the duration could justify a small webpage. Also, while each person is representing their country, I'd suggest a small banner graphic in each person's "signature" to signify they are a representative in the Olympic match. (I'd be glad to design it for each country using their flag integrated with a simple "splash" if there was enough interest)

I can provide an area at windingsteam.com for a web page.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without trade & gifts game loses many team management posibilities. Lithuanian team votes that Gifts/Trade must be in game.
I think, why remove from game things that adds more complicated management (more fun).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without trade & gifts game loses many team management posibilities. Lithuanian team votes that Gifts/Trade must be in game.
I think, why remove from game things that adds more complicated management (more fun).</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because they add more comlicated management. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (less fun) BTW I don't think trades are Banned since they cannot be. Only tech trades.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax are very funny (probably only an urband legend)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All territorial claims made on Antartica is disregarded and unrecognized by the world.

Therefore, I won't list the British Antarctic Territories there, just like I won't list Adelie Land, or Dronning Mauds Land, whatever the heck that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: not a SEIV Olympics thread anymore
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its: British AntArctic Territory.

The British Arctic Territory Flag Hoax are very funny (probably only an urband legend)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All territorial claims made on Antartica is disregarded and unrecognized by the world.

Therefore, I won't list the British Antarctic Territories there, just like I won't list Adelie Land, or Dronning Mauds Land, whatever the heck that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok first off Clay Moss is full of ****! This is what I mean by less than honest people posting something that is utter BS and then people "think" its a true story. No government ever contacted him asking for verification and the US government NEVER added his flag to anything other than the waste paper basket.

[ July 05, 2003, 04:49: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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hy all,

Sorry weakend http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif LT team write our opinion on monday

nirtus-LT

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tech trading/intel whatever I think should be allowed and 'colonize own planet type only' should not. Hey, we are trying to create a team game not another individual challenge. That was the initial idea. For Individual games we already have KOTH. For an individual play in a team - we have an ordinary SEIV game in a Partnership alliance. Here we wanted to try a team only game where the team chooses one person for diplomacy, one for research management, one for defences etc. I agree that there would be plenty of micromanagement but that is possible (or you could turn on the ministers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). I still think we need a team game and making it individual is not the olympics idea.

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Pablo, no offense but "Olympics" has the connotation of an event rather than a single game. The olympics have many solo games as well as team events. Of course I was just making a suggestion and you all are free to use it or not.

Atrocities, that seems like a lot of anger over a simple little internet hoax that happened years ago. You didn't get suckered into a BAT resort timeshare or something did you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[ July 05, 2003, 14:19: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Pablo
I am not sure I understand.
Would You and the rest of Team Lithuania like to play against one team made up of players from the same nation using your Game Specification?
or
Would like to pursue the "Olympics Theme"?
or
Both?

I intend to go forward with the Olympics theme and will be happy to GM a single game between you and another team.
Ofcourse Team Lithuania would still be welcome to partisipate in the "SEIV Olympics"

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My Concept for SEIV Olympics
I see this as a very long term event where
1. Personal and national politics are set aside
2. Personal negative feelings toward other players are set aside
3. Teams are made up of players from the same nation or region except where there are not enough players available from that nation.
4. The games consist of a variety of enabled and disabled features. Some of the “disabled features” may be via rules of the Olympic Convention ™. The games will also use of various mods.
5. Scores will be applied as objectively as possible to each game.

I am open to suggestions for and help with every area. I am sure the above is over simplified. I am willing to step down from this position if there is sufficient concern about my neutrality or competence.

Regarding personal and national politics. Friendly Cheering is welcome. Flag waving is welcome. I hope I do not have to spell out what is not.
Regarding personal negative feelings toward other players from your nation or another. You are required to put them aside or even better let go of them. Life is too short.
I will have no qualms banishing people from the games for violation of the above.
Regarding team composition. It may be necessary to combine players from different nations for larger team games while allowing them to represent their nations in solo or smaller team play.
Regarding what the games will consist of. I need suggestions here. I am thinking of
Very Generic
Rock Paper Scissors Mod
Using Grid Maps
High Tech Starts,
Low points, high points, Map on, Map off

Regarding score keeping. I will need some help here.
Regarding a web page. I can give someone the ability to maintain one or if people do the pages I can upload them.

Ideas? Anybody?

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There is a scandinavian team on the court, so far 4 players and more are sure to be dropping in.
We will conquer the world, whoa ha ha. The gold is ours!!

http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE...wena_2fabl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE...inna_2fawl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE...orwa_2fawl.gif
http://www.3dflags.com/assets/XV21AE...enma_2fawl.gif

http://www.eusidic.org/sweden.gif http://www.eusidic.org/norway.gif http://www.eusidic.org/denmark.gif http://www.eusidic.org/finland2.gif

[ July 05, 2003, 21:44: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FLAGGOR.gif
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/DAN_SORG.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/GREENL2.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FAERO.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/BORN1.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/BORN2.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/JYLLAND.GIF

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http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/FIN_SVEN.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/INGER.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/KARELEN.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/VESTLA.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/TROND.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/NORDNOR.GIF

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http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/GOTLAND.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/HERJEDAL.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/NORR2.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/VGOT.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/SKANE.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/SMALAND1.GIF http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/OLAND.GIF
http://www.heraldiska.org/bilder/OGOT.GIF