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NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on an unrelated note Apep over in Mictlan is getting annoying with his assasinating heleophagi and stealthy demon lord (if i leave the heleophagi, i lose commanders. if i patrol for him i catch the lord and lose a province for a turn)

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The assasinations will continue until morale improves.

Lest anyWyrm believe the matter to be one-sided, we have been afflicted by:

2 Bane Spider Assassins caught in our lands (though I believe one was before shovah took control)
1 Black Servant with a stone idol caught in our very capitol
2 instances of disease spreaders coming into our lands from Machaka's border -- don't believe his lying protestations of innocence.

All's fair in sneaky war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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bane spider and black servant where there long before i took control, i saw no purpose in moving them anywhere else.
And im still insistant that i am not spreading disease (unless one of machakas stealthy units spreads disease automatically) because 1: at this late point in the game money is near irrelivant, 2: i wouldnt know where your blood hunting areas are to target them (how i wish i did http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif) and 3: i have far better uses for my gems than that.

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The new turn is out. A couple people got double emails... Sorry about that, I know what happened, and I'm fixing it. Cheers!

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I repost here the following which has been posted in full (with more Wiki links to the relevant documentation at the Proclamations Page)

Fellow Wyrms:

On Turn 74, a sneaking Mictlan army was discovered in Miscya (66) by patrolling Machakan troops and province defense. In the ensuing battle, justice and light prevailed, and the province came under the control of Mictlan. This turn (75), Machaka attacked this province, without obtaining a council resolution supporting his action or coming to a separate private agreement with me. This is a blatant violation of Rule 2 of the Council Charter, which automatically invokes Rule 8. Therefore, subject to judicial oversight to verify the truth of my story (should the great dragon dispute it), Machaka should be considered a rogue nation until and unless he is reinstated by the council.

The issue of discovered sneaking armies has been debated before the council in Proposition4 in which a proposal to require sneakily acquired provinces to be returned was defeated. Additional discussion was held on the board, mostly on these two pages (1) and (2)

The rules as plainly stated in the charter and interpreted in the afore-referenced discussions clearly require council permission before the retaking of a province. A few turns ago, another stealthy army of mine was discovered in a province with a fort, and again took control. In order to avoid entanglements, I agreed to return this province to Machaka, but this referred only to that one particular instance (note that by Rule 13 of the charter, this province was technically in contention and so either side could have legally brought additional force to bear).

We solicit Wyrmly comments on this important issue. (Pulls up a chair and grabs a virgin margarita to drink while watching the discussion).

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wow, thats quite an interesting conundrum, It seems unfair to allow the overturn of provinces just because stealth was used, infact I was under the impression that stealth actions where only allowed as long as they did not result in the loss of province...

I will have to think on this matter some more

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I apologise. From my (apparently wrong) memory of the rules i thought it was within my rights to do so

ps i havnt seen the turn yet, only getting it now

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I recommend that any further discussion of this matter be moved to the Wiki (which I think is the proper place for in-character public discussion - this forum I think should be for out-of-character discussion of the game, announcements, administration, etc...)

Feel free to ignore me though.

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i tend to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif
your gems (and a few extra for the wait) are on their way just to let you know (currently resting in your email probably)

also, (just to make sure before looking stupider than usual) i can post a proposition but not vote cant I??

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The way I read the Charter, only Wyrms can post propositions. I think you'll have to find a sponsor.

Also, I'll be hosting in about six hours. Still missing turns from C'tis, Mictlan, and T'ien Ch'i. I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if Puffyn were waiting to see what shovah does before issuing (possibly cataclysmic) orders to his armies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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well "If you select a non-wyrm pretender, you will never have a vote. Worshipers of dead Wyrms and dragons (living or dead) may send a representative to the Council. " by my interpretation says otherwise.

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But then there's:

4A. Creating a Proposal

Propositions must be worded so that the choices are either yes or no. Each proposition is sponsored by one Wyrm, who must be alive at the time the proposition is introduced.


Of course, I've got no authority... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Maybe the chairwyrm should clear things up for good; or, since the chairwyrm has some vested interests, the vice-chairwyrm?

It really does seem pretty straightforward to me though. Living wyrms can propose and vote. Dead wyrms and dragons can discuss. But if it's a reasonable proposition, it shouldn't be too hard to get a wyrm to sponsor it - especially with appropriate gifts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. Or you could try to work things out with Puffyn/Apep directly.

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hmm, conundrum

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I'll happily sponsor and and all props...for a small fee.

PM Me (Arco)

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So - is the consensus that Machaka is currently rogue?

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if so then im resending my turn with changes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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It's not clear whether Apep is going to prosecute roguehood. I think Puffyn is waiting to see what shovah does, as the ball is very much in Astairr's court. My feeling, based on what he's said so far, is that he's very much willing to work, but in the absence of any gestures from Astairr, Apep will prosecute.

Speculating wildly, I'd say he's going to wait until right up to the deadline; if nothing's happened, he'll either decide to prosecute and attack massively this turn, or else he'll decide to let another turn pass before attacking.

So, shovah, I'd say you've got about an hour, maybe a bit more, to either get a message to Puffyn directly or else get a proposition up. That's if you want to play it safe, anyway. These discussions might have resulted in enough uncertainty that he'll be willing to wait another turn, but there's no telling. Or, you could decide that roguehood is the way to go, and launch an attack of your own. I've seen some of Mictlan's armies, though, and they're pretty fearsome. I recommend you talk to him (or at least get someone to put up a proposition for you that clarifies your position).

Or, if there's enough interest (and nobody objects) I guess I could postpone hosting until this gets a little more resolved. I dunno. What do you folks think?

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Do not postpone! Let blood flow if it must!

(Also, I will be out of town for a few days...I will not stale, if and only if the hosting schedule remains intact!)

I will have King James email his neighbor Vyrmin with a proxy vote should this matter come before the council.

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Then I'll host tonight. Definitely by 9pm EDT, possibly by 8.

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No need to redo your turn shovah. Mwhahahahahahahahah ha

ha

ha

Uh, that is, we are not attacking this turn, except to take back our province. Nonetheless, it is our opinion that you are currently rogue, and reserve the right to attack next turn, should our discussions not be... productive.

Our turn will be sent to Ygorl shortly.

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Seems the consensus is to give Machaka a turn to work things out before declaring him rogue. Time to get an army ready though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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The new turn is out. C'tis stalled again.
I think it's time to start looking for a replacement (or indefinite sub). This makes, I think, seven stalls in a row. What do y'all think?

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Hey kids,

This game is too much fun to watch. And since Yarnspinners 2 is almost finished I'd be happy to take over for C'tis, even if it's just temporarily until the true Wyrm can return.

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Sedna, send me your email address... Does anyone have any objections to Sedna managing/taking over for Huntsman?

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No problems here - sounds like perfect solution at least for the interim. And Sedna should have _lots_ of gold to spend on bribes, or at least gems. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Hi guys,

I'm glad you guys found a sub and I'm sorry for lagging. I was absolutely loving this game when i had the time to role-play and work on the wiki but my life has changed dramatically since then and I no longer have the time or the energy.

With luck things will smooth out and I'll be able to get back to some gaming when Dom 3 comes out!

Thanks again and good luck to all!

Paul/Huntsman

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Raarrrrr, Grundle LIVES!

Don't worry Hunstman, I'll kill 'em all for you.

Can I ask a favor of my neighbors? Drop me a quick note if you had an pre-existing agreements with C'tis. If I'm going to break those I want to do it conciously. My e-mail is a gmail account with sedna17.

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Ugh, Sedna, there goes the neighborhood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Er, just kidding, welcome to the council!

-puffyn

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to your south we, of jotunhiem, have no pre existing agreements save the relative peace imposed by the honourable council standing.

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im starting to worry, puffyn still hasnt replied to my pm.

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I was everybody's friend! No open hostilities whatsoever, but if you read back a bit in the council business page you'll see that Pangaea and I had a small gripe against Man. Man wasn't happy that i took Yellow Mts after promising the province to him but he was HUGE anyway! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Sadly, shovah and I have been unable to come to a mutually agreeable settlement. Negotiations were not helped by catching 5(!) new assassins attempting to sneak into my lands last turn.

</public service announcement>

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Awaiting turns from Abysia, C'tis, Machaka, Pythium, and Ulm. I've heard from C'tis, though, and the rest of y'all have historically been reliable. We might have a full set of turns for once!

If I get them all by around 4:50, I will host then. Otherwise, I won't be able to host until around midnight. If this causes problems for anyone, of course, let me hear it.

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I am officially rogue as declared by myself, as i have neither the will to sort this out with puffyn nor the patience to go through a long, diplomatic proccess to get out i see this as the best option for myself (and my neighbours who can get my lands ofcourse) also note that any of my neighbours on peaceful terms with myself need not fear attacks atleast for this turn so no need to resend.

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Hey Puffyn,

Why is the wiki so slow?

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can i ask for a hosting delay, just a few hours.

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Read the message three above yours, and you'll get your answer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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well my turns in (being rougue takes ages)

ps: grab my provinces fast guys, i really doubt i can hold puffyn back for more than a few turns at most.

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A new turn is out.

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joy, i cant wait to see what sorry state my empire is in.

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Im on it!

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fun turn

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The Evil Machakans attacked me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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lol, it was 1 half dead (unridden) black spider lord and 1 heavy cav.

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Yay, war!

Hey guys, wait for meeeeeeeeeeeee...

I'm coming as fast as my little lizard legs can.

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Go lizard legs!

I think I will be able to host properly this evening. So, with 5.5 hours left, I need turns from Atlantis, Jotunheim, Machaka, Marignon, and Ulm.

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my turns in.

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Yup. Just waiting on Whollaborg. I'm heading out to tackle the Windy City, so the turn might not host until late tonight, but tonight it will host.

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why do I have to live in the UK(its midnight atm)

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HOLY ****. that was one hell of a turn, took me about half an hours (maybe more) to watch those battles (at fast speed+occasionally using n)
my forces are depleteing quickly as planned and mictlan isnt gaining much ground. this turn i knocked a reasonably sized chunk out of apeps army (though obviously nowhere near enough), winning a cataclysmic battle that was a phyric (sp?) victory. took out an arch devil and a heliophagi (hint hint, summon them) but in total this turn iirc 3 ice devils, belial and a heliophagi survived my many battles. ive definetely learn the power of massed mages (15 or so backed by a huge meat shield of vine ogres and a few heavy hitters)

special thanks to mr lizard legs for finally getting here (though you need more skele raisers)