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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehe Kind of like giving you a free 0k cost and size talisman on every ship.

Wow I never knew a ship could run out of supplies so fast. Luckily that problem is fixed.

Bah shields, we don't need no stinking shields. Just takes up space we could use for weapons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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You'd be thinking different if my ships had linked up.

Except you picked the same turn to come through that WP, so they didn't have time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif That and some of my orders are being ignored..I designed a troop Last turn, and the next turn it was gone.

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KOTH Title Defense: Stone Mill vs. RexTorres (turn 55)

Indeed this has turned into a fun game, with lots of sparring on 3 fronts:

Northern: At first, this was wealky contested. But he pulled back his central fleet and re-emerged in the north to harass me. He broke my warp defense of 5 ships with a fleet of 15 or so. But I did some damage and I have some available ships to slow his progress. As they stand, that fleet should not go far, as they don't have minesweepers.

Central: I outstacked him in the center, and he pulled his fleet (to the north) back while abandoning his planets. I pushed forward with a strike to his central systems with a fleet of 26 or so. Many of these ships have obselete technology, and I do not expect them to do too well, but I want to give him something to worry about.

Southern: He is obviously concentrating forces in this setup system that neither one of us can claim. His initial attack with superior numbers failed over my planet's due to weapon's platforms, which sniped his ships nicely as my ships tied them up. He eventually killed the planet, and I won the battle (but my ships refused to kill his minesweepers), so most got away to fight again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ) He followed up again with superior numbers and finished that fleet, just as reinforcements arrived. My reinforcements bested his heavily damaged ships, but I was unable to save my minesweepers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . Now once again I have a handfull of defenders facing a pile of ships at his staging point. I have the slight edge in tech... but it's not yet broad enough to ensure me victory against those numbers.

To be continued...

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Yeah, Stone, tough choice, sometimes. More ships (with less tech) or less ships (with more tech)?

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Phoenix-D vs Kazarp (David G):

If I had mustered the numbers (and remebered Multiplex), I could have butchered his cheap ships. As it stands I did neither and surrendered rather than delay the inevitable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I thought multiplex did not work in PBW...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe that was a laugh. Who said all KOTH games are the same. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course those ships were really not that cheap. I just went nuts on construction (+149%, Engineers, and Hardy Industrialist) so I could build with something like 6260 per turn or 9400 on Emergency. (True the early ships did only use about 600k of the 800k space) Sure makes for a different game when you have 44 ship (mostly battleships) by turn 12. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've never had a problem with them.

[ June 04, 2003, 01:47: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've never had a problem with them.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My bad. An old bug that is now fixed.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe that was a laugh. Who said all KOTH games are the same. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course those ships were really not that cheap. I just went nuts on construction (+149%, Engineers, and Hardy Industrialist) so I could build with something like 6260 per turn or 9400 on Emergency. (True the early ships did only use about 600k of the 800k space) Sure makes for a different game when you have 44 ship (mostly battleships) by turn 12. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DavidG, that is just awesome! I always wondered about doing that. You have put that concept into reality. Really nice strat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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Note that he DID have 10 planets to make those ships from. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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You gotta understand how "alien" a start like that would be to me! (who prefers standard KOTH setup). I'd get bLasted for sure. Not to mention becoming a ball of nerves.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And it was a max tech with SY III. It's not really a big a big accomplishement (or even a minor one). I just thought it was funny compared to a normal game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The main reason I was successfull was due to my desicion to skip all the colonizing stuff and go straight for the warships (and with a race totally maxed on shipyard rate). This happened to work well due to starting adjacent to the enemy. Could have been a whole different story if we started far apart.

[ June 04, 2003, 23:43: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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Grrr, Sparhawk vs. Mathias Ice. I played a worthless game, we must have started very close to each other, because there I was quietly sending out my colonizers when WHAM! He takes out a couple of them, then he is on my homeworld before I have a chance to mount any defence. Blockaded with out another producing colony I am forced to concede. Heads WILL roll in the Greanie Meanie empire. Move Sparhawk up and set me up for the next match. Grrrrr.

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Trithian Empire (Slynky) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful): 2410.5

(standard KOTH game: 1 medium starting homeworld)

Well, 105 turns into the game and again, I think (since I haven't read it before in other games, especially in standard 1-planet KOTH games, some different tactics:

Seemed like I was battling against a wall with Mark. Fleet after fleet thrown against each other. Mostly battleships for the Last 20-30 turns! I thought I was building well enough to keep ahead of him but he came back with large fleets and, latest of all, phased shield IVs! Put a real halt to my PPBs.

So, stellar manipulation was put in priority and I began closing holes that I was worried about. Five of them altogether, so I built 2 "closers". Behind them, 2 "openers".

This turn began my "wormhole" tactics.

Resource production is over 600,000 (to keep me in builds and my fleet of over 150 ships in space)!

This has turned into one WILD game...and all from one medium homeworld! Mark is a damn good player!

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Sparhawk vs.Mathias Ice. We started with just one system between us. Luckly for me I discovered Mathias ice first with an escort.
At that moment I was pumping out escort to scout ahead. He was pumping out colony ships, so when we meet the col was no match..btw a tip: use ram strategy for your colony ships..IT WORKS.
So when I was heading to his homeplanet, I totally switch from building col. to escort ships.
Wave after wave succeeded in the end to blockad his homeworld (turn 1.6).
So up one for me.
And hopefully we meet again Mathias Ice for a real game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , because this one was just pure luck

Sparhawk

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is the most progressive match I can remember from a default start! Nothing like a match where you get to hand out lote of post-mortem medals to your fleet commanders. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sparhawk, Mathias... OOF! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

That is my worst nightmare. I've had a close start happen several times and luckily I found out quickly and compensated. I was able to hold off opponents with satellite layers and ramming until mines were available, which gave me a little relaxation.

Also I have to say this is a gutsy move by Sparhawk; I can't seem to bring myself to pull off "An early Kill." Guess I'm just too conservative.

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True, but what fun is it to play a game, where both homeworlds are just one system away...split up the map, build up and then kill each other??

I think the fun thing of this kind of game is to explore where your enemy is and use different strategys to harm your enemy.
Finding out what he is going to do, plan attacks etc.
Then the best thing to do is: have a rematch...Mathias Ice, what do you think of that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ?
Just forget this one and asmala can make a new game for us.

Sparhawk

"gone"

[ June 05, 2003, 15:43: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The way I see it you won fair and square, Sparhawk. Opening setup is luck-of-the-draw, I COULD have set my colony ships to ram (I'm making a note of that,) I COULD have switched to building defences as soon as I saw that first escort, but instead I assumed it was a fluke and waited several turns before deciding we were that close. I'm still very much learning KOTH strategies. To the victor go the spoils! I'm sure we will meet again.

[ June 05, 2003, 15:49: Message edited by: Mathias_Ice ]

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif too bad you think of me like this, also to bad to write something like that about a person http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Not following you, Sparhawk. Did Stone's remark offend you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif ?

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well ok maybe my english is not that good: so I could be mistaken. And if I'm mistaken Then here are my apologies for stone mill.

Edit: My english is poor, sorry about that.
working on it

[ June 05, 2003, 15:40: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

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Spar-

No, please understand... that was meant as a compliment! Please don't take offense. "Gutsy" loosely means brave, willing to take the risk.

To be more clear: it means you are willing to forego using defenses to apply pressure to an opponent early in the game. It is a good strategy to be able to use, because the threat of an early attack keeps your opponent off balance and guessing.

I hope you did not misinterpret my words. Sorry about that. I certainly respect you.

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edit my email, see two below http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ June 05, 2003, 15:41: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

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Thanks, Sparhawk http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Well... I certainly should be aware of using slang terms. It was a poor choice of a word on my part.

It is sometimes difficult to convey meaning on a message board with so many different audiences. One thing I constantly admire is that we have friends here from all over the world... who don't mind at all blowing up each other's empires... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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King Title Defense: Stone Mill vs. RexTorres, Turn 59?

The pot is boiling. Update on three fronts:

North: A sizable fleet of enemy ships boldly contested the Mercator outpost, using a credible strategy of breaking apart into smaller task forces to commence raids behind my lines. Mercator commanders were ready and scrambled together elite forces to extinguish the threat, without many losses.

Center: The main Mercator assault force successfully raided a deep enemy system, planets were either abondoned or destroyed. Rex's defenses pulled back, most likely to get first shot at the warp point. Raid still at large.

South: The pileup continues on the enemy outpost, 30+ ships. I have since recolonized my outpost, and protected it with a medium fleet, slowly reinforced to about 15 ships. The enemy has just detached a medium (12) sized raid force and is coming my way.

Also, I think I am getting plucked with infrequent ship bomb intel attacks, but they are easily shaken off without consequence.

[ June 05, 2003, 16:07: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think there is any need to apologize for misunderstanding in another language. And now that you have learned a new word (gutsy), I always think it's gutsy for a person to hop into forums and "speak" in a language they are not used to. I've been to the Netherlands (Holland) plenty of times and I am amazed at [edit] the number of people who speak English and how well they speak it. It's another of my favorite countries!

[ June 05, 2003, 16:12: Message edited by: Slynky ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This kind of honorable sportsmanship is what makes me prompts me to give out a "5" rating. It's good to see this kind of play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

i have had the one system away start in 2 games now.

One I lost on turn 33... the other one I lost the homeworld but carried on and won it.

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Yes, thanks.
I think I'm just having a bad hair day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Yes, I can see that from your avatar on the left... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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OK, KOTH page are now updated. We get new competitor again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Welcome Roanon!

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Welcome to a fierce and fun contest, Roanon! You'll need to look at the one-on-one contest a bit differently than usual games.

Have fun!

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Hey Mathias do you have room down there?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, Rex, are you trying to "tell" us something?

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K.O.T.H. Gecko vs Lord Chane
3 Homeworld Start
No Intelligence

Turn number: 2401.1

My warhsips send back First Contact reports from two different systems simultaneously. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

More news as it breaks...

Gecko

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Yeah - If someone else doesn't beat StoneMill soon we'll have to start referring to it as a dynasty.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heh, yep gotta place with your name on it!
Good Luck.

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Thanks to rextorres for a good game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I think this one came down to economics. He made me work hard, especially in the beginning... I had to fall back quite a bit. He did many things surprisingly well, which I mentioned to him an email.

Follow-up note: he never got to use my breathers on the capured colony ship damaged at 97%... looks like they were destroyed with the colony component.

Again, I felt really tested. Being the King is exhausting... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif yet gratifying. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Aw what a shame. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Ah well you'll be down at the bottome in no time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Just check out the players your next 4 and 0 opponent has beat to get to the top. (3 of the 4 players at the top of the standings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif )

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Ahhh yes, I should know better than to expect sympathy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I don't see myself Lasting too much longer... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

What is worse is that Rollo handed me a loss already a while back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

You are correct; I'm facing the cream of the crop... but the Last 3 opponents I faced were undefeated before they stepped into my quadrant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'm still fightin' !!!

Bring it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Trithian Empire (Slynky) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful): 2410.9

(standard KOTH game: 1 medium starting homeworld)

Warp point opening technology has ushered in the era of galactic genocide. Last player with a planet left unglassed wins...

In amongst the mass glassings, there've been a few more space battles. As usual, Slynky's won most of them. But the Kif are still in there fighting, and are pleased to announce the ceremonial nuking of the Trithium home planet Last turn. If only there weren't so many of the little buggers.

To be honest, we've got to the point where I'll procrastinate for at least half an hour before opening my turn file. I know I'm going to be losing at least half a dozen planets, and am wondering how disasterous this turn's battles will turn out. Much better to think happy thoughts and pretend it's not happening...

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Gandalph vs Krsqk Stardate 2402.0

Gandalph surrenders.

Well, what can I say. We met on turn 5 when his escort came into my home system only 3 spaces from my homeworld. I had decided to go the massive colonization route and had no defenses ready. I put defensive WP's into the queue, but it was too late. The first attack took out my only spaceyard and put my people into an angry state. I tried to recover, but Krsqk obviously sensed my weakness and began pouring his escorts and frigates into my system. I decided this would be a futile attempt and surrended.

Move Krsqk up a notch and throw me to the bottom... errr Sewer... errr whatever we call the Last rung these days.

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My appologies in advance to the non monty pyton fans but this thread always makes me think of this: (and is why I love to raze the king)

ARTHUR: I am your king!

WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.

ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.

WOMAN: Well, how did you become king then?

ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,...
[angels sing]
...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.

[singing stops]

That is why I am your king!

DENNIS: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

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Hello all and thanks for the welcomes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Have been too busy doing the first turns in my first KotH game, no time to check this forum earlier. Now its roughly 4 hours after starting the game and already turn 12. Nice. I'm slowly expanding and still no contact. Exciting, especially as in my paranoia every turn I expect to see a well armed fleed doing a rush towards my home system http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
Time now for me to go to bed before I make too many mistakes due to already being asleep... So far, I like not only the type of challenge (without that tedious diplomacy aka who-can-lie-better) but also the speed of the game. Thanks to Phoenix for submitting as fast or even faster than me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Two more turns after I got back aaaand..first contact. Just a little piddling colony though. Very small map; I'm surprised it took this long.

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Trithian Empire (Slynky) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful): 2412.3

(standard KOTH game: 1 medium starting homeworld)

Phew! It's all over.

Slynky's Trithians surrendered after a vicious fight. Once the warp points were opening all over the place, it came down to a question of who could destroy the other guy's economy fastest. I came out ahead here because I had defenses of some kind (mines at least) around all my planets, whereas a lot of Slynky's were completely open.

At the end, we essentially had one fleet each of similar sizes, but I had managed to protect enough territory that my economy was recovering to about half the pre-cataclysm level of production, while the heart of Slynky's had been wrecked. I was producing around 180,000 blue and rising, while Slynky looked to be around the 60,000 mark.

But to get to this point I've had to accept the loss of about half my planets, and had to cannibilise most of the remaining facilities for minerals. Skin by teeth of my the - please re-arrange these words to make the appropriate phrase.

It's hard to express just how much fun, and how tense this game has been since the very beginning. It built up to an incredible climax during the ten turns from 2411 to 2412, to the point that I was finding it too tough to play two turns in a row.

Thanks to Slynky, and congratulations for playing a very good game.

Move me up, please.

Mark

[ June 07, 2003, 06:24: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

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Trithian Empire (Slynky) -vs- Kif Hegemony (Mark the Merciful): 2412.2 (I think...all our empire clocks were destroyed... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

(standard KOTH game: 1 medium starting homeworld)

Well, I gotta say this game has to have been the bloodiest game in KOTH. Between all the warpholes opening and closing, billions of people were slaughtered! The warphole map looks like a spider web.

Kt after Kt's of ships were left as litter in space. Over half the systems were showered with debris.

Mark slaughtered my planets faster than I could return the "favor". And though I issued drugs to the population and even forced repetitive showings of the movie, "It's a Wonderful Life", they rioted.

Seriously, though, Mark played a good game! I think our planets were fairly split up. I certainly had some good ones in my area. He must have managed his empire better, though, 'cause he had ship after ship after ship. And he never even used all three colony types!

I made a few mistakes at the end that may have made a difference, but I kinda doubt it. No matter what I planned, he either planned the same thing or anticipated it. Even when I thought I had embarked on the winning strategy, "openers" and "closers", he was doing nearly the same. And 2 turns after I entered his empire, he did the same to me.

He showed up with phased shield 4's and to counter it, I built about 20 battleships with 3 heavy depleters on them...enough to blow away his shields if I hit 2 out of 3 times. But I forgot to put engines on the darn things! What's worse, refitting at a yard without resupply. They never really got to see battle.

Another mistake...I meant to refit a "planet builder" to an "opener" but chose the wrong ship for retrofit and built a 3rd "closer". That put me back lots of minerals and 2 turns to fix it. Maybe those 2 turns could have made a difference.

But he's a great player! So, I don't want to take anything away from him. Besides, maybe he made mistakes that evened it out.

He is a dedicated player and submits turns with good speed and regularity. A good member of the PBW community to have around.

SO, Mark, go whup up on Elvis (that way, I won't feel so bad about losing to you... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Just kidding! It was one of my most exciting games in the past year!

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And for his playing ability, dedication to turn submittal, tongue-in-cheek attitude, and good sportsmanship, I give him a 5 for the forum.

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Oh, and I'm ready to try again, Asmala... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif .

As you might know, I prefer the standard KOTH startup @ 48-hour turnaround.

When you get a chance of course... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif