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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Arrrrgh. Another one of those two-system away starts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I really don't think I deserve this win, given the pure luck that came my way. Like hitting his SY on the first attack, right before six missiles slammed into my scout. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif And his missile frigate dying reasonably quickly to my two frigates, despite simulations showing at least a 50% chance of both my ships dying. I decided to e-build one scout before doing a few colony ships (for those five breathable planets in my home system and the in-between system). It just so happened that I had three functional SYs when I attacked his HW.

Gandalph, I'll gladly replay this farce of a game in the hopes of a more balanced start. Things could have just as easily gone the other way (as tesco showed me in my first KOTH game). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[edit]Umm, 1100. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Or 1101, I guess, since it's reply 1100. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ June 07, 2003, 07:38: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

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Well, one thing is for sure, DavidG, the KOTH site doesn't seem to reflect the standard deviations (no pun intended).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean how all the previous games are shown as being 'default'? Seems both Geo and Asmala do not really use this setting.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean how all the previous games are shown as being 'default'? Seems both Geo and Asmala do not really use this setting.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I started to say the program that generates the code for the site might not allow for it (easily) but then I remembered YOU wrote the code http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

While the information may be interesting, I surely won't worry much about it since it's a volunteer job. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Krsqk - I appreciate the gentlemanly offer, but a win is a win. If I had built planetary defenses earlier, it would not have gone the way it did. It was my mistake and I will learn from it. Move on up the hill and we will meet again.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe, you probably looked in the queue and figured you'd draw me and start back up the hill soon anyway... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

(J/K)

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KOTH page updated. Because Gandalph vs Krsqk finished first (or at least the message to the forum was posted first) Krsqk plays against BBegemott and Mark have to wait for the next opponent.

There have been lately many games where starting positions have been very near to each other. Perhaps we should think again that Tesco's map pack...

All games are shown as "default" for that simple reason it'll need too much work to remember and add all special game settings, it's not the fault of DavidG's program.

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If we could get games where we would get roughly equal starts I think that would be great.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, now that you mention it, listing all the variations could be tiresome.

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There is a little bug in KOTH site. When I press 'Back To Top' or 'League Rules', the page displays old standings. The same result if I check Pre-Gold League and return to Gold. Refreshing doesn't help.

Oh well, i can live with that. Only have to remember: don't press 'Back To Top'. And don't wonder if you accidently find yourself a level down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Consider me razed... LOL! I LOVE Monty Python!

Or how about...

"I'm the King of the Britans!"
"Who?"

"How do we know he's the King?"
"He hasn't got sh*t all over him!"

Hee hee...

[ June 07, 2003, 20:56: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

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Congrats to Mark and Slinky for a riveting game... I really enjoy your accounts.

I'm also just darn impressed by the sportsmanship in this league. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As far as settings, I usually ask for:

3 starting planets (Good)
High starting bonus
Small Spiral map - usually works well, but I'm open to what anyone wishes

This gets the game moving pretty fast. As your current King, I know players at the top want a crack as fast as possible, so I try and accomodate that. But I'll consider most suggestions. Oh, but I do like mines in the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tks, Stone. Not sure people care much about the bottom/base of the hill, but the game seemed a bit extroadinary. I suspect the game you had with Asmala was more of a nail-biter but I submit ours was the bloodiest (and for a standard start, very high tech).

Mark is now 2-0. Is he the new "surprise" upstart?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's fixed now. It was an uppercase/lowercase typo. I have index.htm and koth.htm in my server but when I updated the page I uploaded index.htm and KOTH.htm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif And yes, I'm not using Linux but Windows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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King Title Defense IV: Stone Mill vs. Rollo

::: In the antechamber of the command center Graceland, The King finishes up his comm call. "Thass right momma- next outfit needs to be let out a little around the waist. I popped off some sequins. Bye."

The colonel enters again.

"Sir, this is far worse than anything we've ever seen. I... I... can't..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Elvis swings around with a stunning hip shake. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif "Shake it out Colonel!"

"Rollo has entered the quadrant, and has sent an ambassador."

"That's mighty-nice o' him!"

"King, he's dressed in skins and mail, has apparently never washed himself, flatulates constantly, and wreaks of grog! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif He urinated in your favorite plant, and carried off two waitresses from the kitchen staff!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

"Now juss hold on a minute, Colonel--- That's where I draw the line... That's high crime. We need to play Rollo a litte Jailhouse Rock! " ::: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ June 07, 2003, 22:16: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

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LOL @ Stone!

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I'm curious how many have chosen non standard game settings for their KOTH games and how the went?

Such as:

- a medium size map? (would this help avoid the starting adjacent problem)

- 10 planet starts

- banning certain tech?

I've played a couple now were we Banned mines. This makes for a faster paced game since there is no waiting around for those sweepers. I'd also like to try a game were all weapons except the special racial ones (like organic) are Banned. (edit Hmm seems the game wont let you do that so I guess it would have to be a gentlemans agreement) Just thought of another that might me fun. 1 planet no warp points (with either cheap tech or high tech)

[ June 07, 2003, 12:57: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that was one of those "features" that I originally intended to keep up with and turned out to be way more work then it was worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Hey, David you cut out the best part of the scene!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehehe, I never get tired of that movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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Grandpakim/Gozguy

I think you guys are jivin' me. I don't know what the 'H' is going on in my game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Either I will grind Goz down with my juggernaut or he's laid down the nastiest surprise of all time and will be handing me a "canowhoopass".

However, I have relieved him of the burden of managing the Bardron system. Now I must decide where to go next. Which of the two exit warps is least heavily defended? How shall I decide? Hmm...

Inty minty diggety fig... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No reason this game should not count. My loss here had more to do with my decission to build SY bases than my start position. Had I followed my usual tactic of pumping out colony ships I would have met you in time to get some defenses built up. Building even one attack ship in the first 10 turns would have been smart too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I think Tesco made some small maps for the KOTH game that spread the starting positions out. Though never officially adopted, I don't think using one of those maps would be much different than making other modifications to the game start.

Personally, I prefer the standard way where you need to make a decision early in the game to build defenses because you never know just where the enemy is. It's bitten me once but I've made adjustments.

But others may like the idea of some safety (distance) between starts.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

game should count. It was an official koth game.

The maps are up on the pbw site... free for use

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I see only two solutions in this matter. Firstly, as many times mentioned, you can use Tesco's map pack. Secondly if both players give their passwords to me I'd be able to check starting positions before uploading the game file.

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ok, if my next opponent agrees on that, we can do that.
Who's is he??

sparhawk

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're next opponent is Mark, discuss about that with him.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sparhawk. I much prefer playing with the standard settings without any special maps, but if you feel very strongly about this I'm willing to negotiate.

Mark

[ June 08, 2003, 15:12: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

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Asmala.
RL have given me some more time. I'm ready for a new attack on the hill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kewl beans, "P"!

Glad to see your "alternate" life has allowed you an opportunity to come back to "real" life.

(just kidding...welcome back)

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK. I remember you were in the top of the hill when you took a break, but there is a new level now so you're in the middle of the hill. No opponent yet so you'll have to wait.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

hehe he has to join at the base as per the rules http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good. I was afraid I was going to have a long boring wait at the bottom. sorry Base. got to work my way up to the bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not sure that I see that anywhere. I see the part where if you forfeit a game or have to be replaced you move to the bottom of the hill, but to take a break? I can't see anything. Of course, I only skimmed the rules... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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did anyone notice that the bottom of the hill is smaller than the middle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Speak nicely about the bottom of the hill guys, it is my home after all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please Tesco, let Asmala be the judge. He is the boss after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Does not really matter for me what he deceides. If I join at the nethermost level, it will just be longer for you all to wait before the bad Elvis impersonator are replaced by a proper barbarian king.

That is of course if Rollo don't win. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Kazarp vs Sparhawk

Turn 15 and the once mighty Dundas Redneck empire has been annialated by a single frigite with one lousy missle launcher. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

PS All those vets who kept telling me how good it is to build Shipyard bases at first... You're all wrong wrong wrong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ June 08, 2003, 13:06: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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Well that only holds true if you enemy isn't two systems away.
Asmala cann't you do something about this, its the second game in which I am two systems away from my opponent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Kazark, as a gentlemen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I have to ask you if you want a rematch and forget this game.

Sparhawk

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't forget that now that the lowest part of the hill is the Base you gotta work your way up to the Bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't forget that now that the lowest part of the hill is the Base you gotta work your way up to the Bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bottom? Base? I thought that's all there was. There's more beyond THAT?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tks, Stone. Not sure people care much about the bottom/base of the hill, but the game seemed a bit extroadinary. I suspect the game you had with Asmala was more of a nail-biter but I submit ours was the bloodiest (and for a standard start, very high tech).
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Stone. I'm glad at least you enjoyed our updates. I did worry at one point that it seemed like we were spamming this forum, and I wasn't sure if anyone else was interested. But I think both Slynky and I were very enthusiastic about this game. In my experience of SEIV, it really did seem unique.

I learned SEIV by playing a series of two-player games against one of the friends I share a house with, and have played in several multiplayer games on PBW. In general, they've tended to follow a progression that goes something like this;

1. Two empires meet and skirmish until a border is defined.

2. Border defenses harden; both empires concentrate on research and economic buildup.

3. Empire A attacks, and in a handful of decisive battles, defeats Empire B's border defenses.

4. Empire B counterrattacks, but loses again because the rush to get ships in place means they are scattered and often untrained.

5. Player B may carry on, but from this point it's all over. Resistance is weak and unco-ordinated and Empire A's main problems are dealing with the logistics of supply and troop transport.

I think one of the reasons for the collapses that seem to happen may have more to do with player psychology than a built in game dynamic, but mostly that's been my experience of SEIV so far. Not that I haven't enjoyed it, mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But what was so different with this game was that the serious fighting started around turn 60, and went on until turn 120. Although there were heavy defeats for both sides during these 60 turns, it only became clear at the very end who was going to come out on top. So we got a rare chance to learn an opponent's style and tactics, try to adapt to them, and watch his own adaptation to ours at the same time. It felt much more chess-like - in the sense of strategic complexity - than my average SEIV game.

Did we mention that we really enjoyed this game?

OK, shutting up now...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks a lot, Slynky! I was hoping to sneak up the Hill unnoticed until you shouted that out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Seriously; two games does not a valid sample make.

Mark

[ June 08, 2003, 13:02: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Players can leave and rejoin the league at their convenience, but they always join at the base.

To me it does not matter where our friend Primative goes.... But here is the rule as asked....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahhh, I see it now. Gotta work a bit harder on my "skimming"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

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ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!

HA! HA! HA! HA!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please Tesco, let Asmala be the judge. He is the boss after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Does not really matter for me what he deceides. If I join at the nethermost level, it will just be longer for you all to wait before the bad Elvis impersonator are replaced by a proper barbarian king.

That is of course if Rollo don't win. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, that is very likely at this point. This is the worst start I can remember in a while. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And Rollo is very good, despite the bits of food in his beard and beers stains on his clothes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I know it was my idea to call the new level the base, but in retrospect it maybe wasn't so good. It's kind of confusing with the bottom of the hill not actually being the bottom of the hill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

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How about calling it the Underground ? No, wait - the Underhill !! (I'm a non-Koth'er. Please excuse my intrusion here).

Edit : Gecko's Last idea is nice. Should get a vote from all those Doom fans out there.

[ June 09, 2003, 20:08: Message edited by: Chief Engineer Erax ]

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The Abyss ?
The Nadir ?

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The Basement
The Wine Cellar

How about:
The Recycler http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The Nether region.

Hades.

Limbo.

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loser loco