Re: Seducing again
 

I don't think this is specific with seductions, but specific with assassinations. I recall a scenario where a commander retreated from one of my assassination attempts, yet a few turns later he appeared during a major battle. It was him with the same name, same battle wounds and same items.
I believe the bug is that sometimes a unit is allowed to retreat from an assassination to a nearby province. The retreating to an underwater province was a fun side effect you discovered. EDI may need you to upload your game files as a way for the developers to further investigate. Otherwise we just have a fish story.

Hybrid Troopers
 

Are R'lyeh Hybrid Troopers supposed to receive the dual wield penalty for having a spear in one hand and tentacles sprouting from their heads?

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

Ich, please make a copy of that savegame so that we can have Johan examine it. That looks like something he would find interesting, hence it would also have a high likelihood of being fixed soon.

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

Zath, I'm going to need to check that, but I think tentacles are supposed to be a bonus weapon.

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

The same dual wielding problem occurs with the R'lyeh freespawns as well whenever they have a weapon and tentacles (e.g. the plain "Hybrid" on land). The problem with Hybrid Troopers is definitely of higher priority though, since they are national troops and the dual wielding penalty cuts their attack rating down to 6 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

When one of Bandar Log's non-commander White Ones reincarnates, you get a load of squares instead of a name in the message.

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

Here is the savegame after turn generation...

Re: Hybrid Troopers
 

And here is the savegame before turn generation...

Modding
 

The names for Japanese Males and Females which can be used in modding (133 and 134, or 134 and 135 or something) have been switched. If you use the number assigned to Japanese Males according to the modding manual you get names for Japanese Females and vice versa.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Ii have the following problem :

In black forest ULM, ghoul gardian seems sacred undead unit but cannot be blessed by anyone.

Black priest and ghoul baron refuse to bless ghoul gardian, making them useless.

Stelteckk.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Due to some problems originating from the holy/unholy distinction of earlier Dominions games, sacred undead can't be blessed ATM. The problem has already been fixed, and will be included in the next patch... which, if you've seen the http://ulm.illwinter.com/dom3/dom3progress.html site, promises to be full of goodies.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

A controversial "bug" - if all of the attackers in a Vengeance of the Dead dream aren't killed by turn 75, the victim dies, even if unharmed. Fair enough if that's what's intended - but is this WAD? If so perhaps the spell description should reflect this? ("If the victim cannot fight off all of the spirits by morning, they never escape their nightmare").

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Apparently, a mage with twiceborn cast on it teleporting into an ocean of water to cause insta death does not count as having died normally, and the mage is not reborn. I'm not sure if this is a bug or not. Occured in chinchilla when I teleported an archtheurg with twiceborn into an adjacent, high dominion province.

FeebleMinded Bug
 

Mindless units such as vine ogres can receive the battle affliction feeble minded.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Known issue, already shortlisted.

Issue shortlist roundup:

• U1760 Bandaraja Incorrect nametype, should use Bandar Log nametype instead of indie nametype. Same problem seems to affect a lot of the Lanka/Bandar Log/Kailasa/Patala units. This one is the only commander currently known to be affected.
• MOD (monster) nametypes for Jomon: Jomon male and female nametypes are listed incorrectly in mod manual, they should be switched (female number is listed as male and vice versa)
• SPELL Flight almost never affects caster, even when there are no friendly units. Comments by Kristoffer indicate spell should be caster only (?). Should perhaps be tiered in the manner of Quicken Self/Quickness/Quickening to give personal/small scale/large scale effect.
• SPELL Rigor Mortis affects lifeless units such as gargoyles and living statues unless they are undead. This is correct according to spell description, but logically and thematically incorrect.
• SPELL Vengeance of the Dead If combat stretches past 75 turns, attackers are not killed by autorouting as they should be and the defender dies. Discussion thread here Bug or WAD?
• <font color="red">BHV Corrupt/Seduce Retreat:</font> Non-amphibian commanders and victims may retreat to a sea province after a successful seduction attempt, which results in both of them drowning.
• BHV Affliction Disease affects inanimate/lifeless units such as mechanical men, though logically it should not. Lifelessness should give immunity to disease like undeath does.

NT Jedi, I'll add your mummy H1 reanimation bug into the list next time, but I would like to get one more piece of information: What nation were you playing when that bug appeared? If it was MA Ermor or Lanka, the (currently unmoddable except for removal) #undeadnation tag may have some effect on reanimation and I would like to make sure I have all the info. If you can attach the savegame, that would be even better.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Lifeless constructs get diseases.
see attched saved game.
This happens to a mechanical man during a battle. See turn 9 of the battle in Werk Enum. I lost that battle so the mechanical man fell apart due to lack of leadership so you can only see it during the battle.




This same turn also shows the drowning seduction bug and a bug where once in the water the seducer drowns instantly apparently, but the seduced stays to fight a battle before drowning. Very weird stuff.

see the battle in lake puurple (71) to see a non water breather fight underwater.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

My saved game is very large it's easier for me to just provide a .map file. I've attached an edited .map file for the Aran map where the human player can play early age Arcos which starts with a level_1 undead priest. The map file currently has a txt extension. The reanimate bug for a level_1 undead priest provides all the way up to longdead.

Also what about the other bug I recently posted:
Mindless units such as vine ogres can receive the battle affliction feeble minded.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Thanks, I'll take a look at that and see for myself.

As for the feeblemind on mindless units, I am loath to classify that as an outright bug. It's much in the same category as a wyrm getting a limp or some such where the results of getting a generic affliction are somewhat unusual due to some property of the unit. Most afflictions are general, i.e. most units can get them (limp, weakened, neverhealing wound etc) while some are specific (e.g. can't get your tail chopped off if you don't have one).

So far as I know, feeblemind is a generic affliction. I have no idea if various unit properties affect the posibility of getting an affliction or giving immunity to it (blind units can't become blind or get eyeloss being the only exception to my knowledge). This is something that requires some developer input and may need some discussion on whether certain unit tags should give immunity to certain afflictions (inanimate, undead and demon to disease, mindless to feeblemind etc).

It's too much of a question mark, so I can't include it yet. You DO make a logical point with it, so it at least merits the discussion.

Modding nations
 

Addition to the shortlist, "MOD (monster/nation) Descriptions": The game doesn't crash, it just "forgets" other descriptions that come later in the mod. Mod nation descriptions seem to get added the last, so they're the first to get erased. Then the unit descriptions are cancelled out. The later a unit is created in the mod, the sooner the description is missing in case there are too many of them.

Spell descriptions seem to use another array for their descriptions, they don't interfere with unit/nation descriptions in any way. Don't know what the limit is there.

Re: Modding nations
 

Starting a game with new nations via is not possible from the command line. This seems to be because the mod file is not loaded correctly, or something, Gandalf Parker wrote about this and may have further information.

During nation selection for a mod game, it says "Nation xx" instead of the mod nation name that was assigned to the nation, although that one is used once you make it to the actual server status screen with the flags in it. Makes it kinda complicated for people to pick their nation at first.

Starting games from the command line
 

When creating games from the command line the game tends to always get VP provinces, even if you don't use them as victory condition. With manual creation, you can set the number of VP provinces to zero, effectively disabling them, IIRC. Maybe the other way around, but I have created a MP game without them.

Re: Modding nations
 

I also know a good bit about this last point, if more information is wanted. Spent a fair while fooling about with it.

Edit: I mean the thing about being unable to create mod nation games from the command line. It's unfortunate because it means the llamaserver can't run mod nation games without a degree of hassle.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Feebleminded affliction on mindless is the same as becoming blind without eyes or having your tail chopped off when not having one. These units have no minds... if the game is reporting mindless units as becoming feebleminded this would actually be an upgrade.
If given the choice anyone would choose being feebleminded over being mindless.

Frozen seas - travel still possible
 

Did anyone experience problems with the frozen seas spell ?

I am in a SP game with MA Oceania as a neighbor and I casted frozen seas to avoid having to fight them, but I still get attacked by troops traveling from Oceania sea province to my land provinces. I thought frozen seas prevented that.

Could it have anything to do with Oceania units having a different form on sea and land, so that the game mechanics make oceania sea troops vanish from his provinces and "teleport" land troops to my provinces, rather than walk from his provinces to my provinces ?

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Don't be obtuse. I know that and it's a logical disconnect, but it's still only tangential to the point of my above post, which was specific afflictions (only some can get them) vs. generic afflictions (everyone can get them).

In the case of feeblemind, it is from the game mechanics point of view a generic affliction, since as far as I know, it is NOT tied to the mindless flag on a unit. If it is tied to the mindless flag with some kind of a hook, that would solve the problem, but whether that is feasible is up to the devs. It merits discussion, but this is in my opinion a lesser problem than stone beings (such as gargoyles, staues tec) not being immune to petrification, which is another thing I need to add.

Re: Devasura description; underwater devils; capit
 

Didn't mean to rattle your cage... maybe you're having a bad day.
Simply revealing a logical flaw within the game. This logical flaw is the same as a fire elemental being vunerable to fire. Whether or not either can be fixed doesn't change it from being a flaw.

Bugs
 

When you have a spy or are assaulting a castle, if there are any sites that have been discovered they show as 'magical site'... however in the F1 screen hovering over them reveals what the site is.

Re: Bugs
 

NT Jedi, no problem, I just felt we might have been talking past each other and wanted to clarify. Not angry at you or anything. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

PurpleRhino, known issue, already in the list.

Re: Bugs
 

On modded nations and game creation....
the basic problem seems to be that in multiplayer mode, Dom3 does not look at the mods until it comes to creating the game. mod changes (# of nations, AIs, name of nations, flag changes) do not reflect in the signup screens. This is also a problem with scenario maps that add AIs since players can be offered a nation which becomes modified or unplayable when the game is created (first turn hosting).

The "workaround" is that mods work for manual game creation. So a game can be manually created by the host adding in all of the gods that were provided, and can then be RUN by internet connection.

Two methods have been used to start games where the modded nations did not appear in the online selection menu. An email start where everyone used the mods to create their gods then mailed them to the host. Or, in the case of the mega games, using multiple onine servers to collect the gods then gather them together to create the first turn with the updated fatherland file.

Once a game is created with the mods, the online menus did properly reflect the numbers of players, the proper nation names, and the proper flags that were set by the mods.

Gandalf Parker

What\'s this?
 

Having reinstalled my system from scratch, I receive these messages regularly after I quit from Dom3, and from this game only. What is this? Have I unlocked some debug functionality of the aRts deamon? Does the game leak somewhere?

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 4 object references alive.
- Arts::FlowSystemSender
- Arts::ByteSoundProducerV2
warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 60 types alive.
warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 7 data packets alive.</pre><hr />

Re: What\'s this?
 

Visual bug that is present both in map editor and in game when using 'province neighbours' filter (yellow lines):

Only 20 neighbours, those with lowest numbers, are drawn.
Example:
25 provinces. Province 25 is set to be neighbour to every other one (1-24). No other neighbours are set. When active province is 25, only lines to provinces 1-20 are visible. When active province is 21-24, line to province 25 is visible.

This might be the source of one-way province travel route illusion.

Odd mummy assignment
 

A prophetized, HOF'd, deceased Helheim Dis was reborn as a... cold-immune winged mummy with an Ice Blade (Caelian mummy?).

Re: Odd mummy assignment
 

The game probably considers all size 3 fliers Caelians. IIRC, the nametype is chosen according to some abilities (i.e. fire resist, heat immunity -&gt; abysian nametype), so I guess the game also tries to choose a correct undead form. It doesn't work so well for the exceptions, like fliers without wings.

Re: Frozen seas - travel still possible
 

Have had the same issue. I believe the spell is actually called Sea of Ice.

Re: Odd mummy assignment
 

That could very well be. As I reported earlier, Siddhas are reborn as Caelian mummies, too.

Re: Odd mummy assignment
 

Hi gentlemen,

here is a bug, or a en error in the manual : I'm playing Mictlan LA and the underwater province defense is not the Atlantian Militia + Atlantian Shield Wearer anounced. Instead, I have plain old standard warrior with a tribal king, not really confortable at fathom five http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: Odd mummy assignment
 

Are you sure the province is underwater? On some maps, provinces that "look" like water provinces are in fact land provinces.

To be sure look at the info bar in the upper left of the display. If it is an underwater province, the bottom right of this bar will have small blue waves (which if you mouse over, will say either "sea" or "deap sea").

Re: Bug thread
 

I have a bug with map editor in 1.08, mac os version.

when I want to save a map, the game crash just after I have confirmed

don't know if it's a known bug.

Re: Bug thread
 

Sure you don't have another map already present with the same name? Could be that dominions is trying to overwrite it and failing. That kind of thing often kills it.

Re: What\'s this?
 

Try disabling sound and let me know if that helps any.
I presume you're running Linux with KDE? Is that correct?

Does anyone remember the command line switch to disable sound? I don't.

Re: What\'s this?
 

I have since just reverted to use Alsa as sound architecture and disabled the Arts daemon completely. I don't know if the sound is less buggy this way, but at least I don't see error messages. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif aRtsd sucks anyway, I'm 100% on Alsa now.

Re: What\'s this?
 

Late update, two spell issues

• SPELL Mists of Deception Keeps on producing phantasmal units even when all enemies are dead, causing combat to go on forever and autokilling all attacking units left on the battlefield
• SPELL Maggots Damage is capped at 110 points, making it useless against Tartarians, which are corporeal undead and should thus die from this spell.

Apologies for my sporadic participation lately. I've had quite a bit to do and I've been suffering somewhat of Dominions fatigue, what with the bug list, FAQ, Faerun map in need of updating, the upcoming task of updating the Dom3 DB. If any issues have been left out of the list, you can probably chalk them up to that.

Re: What\'s this?
 

You have every right to be sporadic for a bit Edi, the amount of contribution you make to the Dominions community is incredible. I'm still in awe of the database.

Re: What\'s this?
 

I have a thingie that might be bug but might be as you all want it..

I'm currently summoning tartarians and my battleground is in waterarea's

MOST tartarians are (undead as they are) able to enter the water.. the "female" tartarians in the blue dress cannot do that (I'm sorry no unit number I'm a 100Km from my game comp atm)

Re: What\'s this?
 

Apparently artifact the Sharpest Tooth isn't Armor Piercing, althought the game has it printed on uhh.. white on darkish-red?

I have a save game where my Strenght 19 Arch Devil with the Tooth duels with prot 33 Earth King for like 20 turns. The Earth King didn't even take a single point of damage from the Tooth (how do I know? He didn't take even a single point of poison damage in the fight). Hitting the Earth King wasn't an issue.

Re: What\'s this?
 

I think the prot 33 Earth king is buged. I just saw him fight a arch devil with a infernal sword. Somehow the arch devil did not hit the Earth king for 15 rounds, since a hit would banish him to Inferno.

Re: What\'s this?
 

Well, that was my Arch Devil with the sword. I didn't report it since I thought that perhaps it needs to damage for it to take effect (althought the manual says: "On hit: Banish to Inferno", but it wouldn't be only thing where manual is incorrect).

Re: What\'s this?
 

The bug with the sharpest tooth seems like the poison not working on poison immune creatures like it says it does. The armor piercing seemed to work just fine given the amount and frequency of the damage over the battle in question. Plus I'm going to err on the side of the oddball mechanic being broken as opposed to the fairly standard AP tag.

The Infernal Sword allows an MR roll according to the weapon DB, so the chance of it banishing my SC was fairly low (as it should be, given that it's a 10 gem item, and an irresistable banish would be much more on par with the 65-gem Mage Bane)

Re: What\'s this?
 

And now a couple of new bugs:

The Tartarian Monstrum (unit 776) has no misc. slots, which is just weird. Normal manticores have the misc slots.

Attacking golems (unit 471) die due to the 50th turn auto-rout function. (Or if given a retreat order at any time) This may be WAD, but it certainly seems like a bug to me. I'd imagine it would apply to any other mindless commander (via GoR, etc) as well, but have not tested it.

Bug
 

Voice of Tiamat always target same province

When casting Voice of Tiamat by several casters in the same turn, they all auto target the same province, whereas other search spells (Voice of Apsu, etc.) target a new province.