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The level for people who suck

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[non-KotH intrusion] <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Am not.
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[ June 09, 2003, 20:02: Message edited by: Loser ]

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What, didn't you saw this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif If a player wants he can take a break and when returning he continues from the level where he was before the break. Perhaps you have seen this: These rules are subject to change at any time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

But seriously speaking I think it's fair that player can take a break and after that continue playing without starting from the bottom. Thus Primitive doesn't have to start from the bottom again.

I changed the Hill names again. It's truly confusing that the bottom of the hill isn't the lowest level. Now it is. I added the crest of the hill before the top. If I recall right it was Slynky who proposed that so thanks to him.

And those names aren't nailed down so if someone has a better name ideas post it here.

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sounds good.

Just hope someone does not complain about it down the road.

Which could happen

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I think the only way this could cause a problem is if the current king (whoever it may be at that time) should have to pause play due to RL issues and step away from the game for a bit until things calm down. In which case I think if the King came back after everything is fine then he should be put, not back at the King position - as I'm sure that would cause some fuss with the King - but at the next open contender spot; wheter that is #1, or #3 would depend on the openings at the time. This (with any revisions anyone can think of) I think should be written into the rules before this happens so as to avoid any problems in te future.
What say you Asmala? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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cheese.

Your Sig. is very funny.

I like that.

I think i am going to add it to my work sig.

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Asmala:
Thanx, looking forward to start again.

Tesco:
Why are you so reluctant to let me in on the hill again above you ?
Afraid ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

It is wise to fear the wrath of the Primitive one, cause he comes well prepared (and carries a big stick). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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i am not reluctent at all .. how is the view from up there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I say I have already noticed that possibility http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif However if The King takes a break he drops one level down. And I added that yesterday, not now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Perhaps I should clarify it and change that the King becomes a contender when he came back.

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Despite the graphics suggesting otherwise, there are more slots at the crest of the hill than in the middle. Shouldn't this be more like 8-6-4-2-1 instead of 8-3-4-2-1 ?
Not that I want to be picky, but I dare to look up from the bottom trying to find a nice open space ahead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Except for the top all the levels can be expanded or shrunk to fit as many players as are available. So the only reason the crest is bigger then the middle right now is that there are more players on the crest then in the middle. That will even out as more players move up from the bottom to the middle and more of the current crest games end.

Geoschmo

[ June 11, 2003, 00:58: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Phoenix-D v Roanon:

Game's over. I went for mines for once, to try and box him in and then use my superior research to overwhelm..he boxed me in with mines instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif It was all downhill from there, and after loosing 90% of my defense fleet I surrendered.

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Thanks for the game, Phoenix-D.
It was a very good one (at least for a newb like me), I have learned a lot. For instance that Minesweepers techlevel 1 suck http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
I was a bit surprised that you were content with defending - I lost some time organizing paranoiac defenses. But with 5 systems vs. 15 systems you cannot outresearch me unless you have 300% bonus http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Took me a long time to breach his defenses though, he was dug in nicely. But thanks to my paranoia I was prepared for the worst and exactly that was what I got http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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"But with 5 systems vs. 15 systems you cannot outresearch me unless you have 300% bonus"

And you didn't notice yet that the three systems behind me were planetless. Useles.

Like I said, I just didn't move -quite- fast enough.

EDIT: Also wish I knew why most of the times you swept my mines I got no message. Very odd, that.

[ June 11, 2003, 23:22: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Strange that. But I didn't sweep often, after that initial "sweeping by running ships into" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I was too scared... I just stood nearby waiting for my sweepers to be retrofitted from this useless level 1 tech. As far as I remember the first (but very complete) sweeping happend when I entered your system in the upper right corner, I didn't do anything before.

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Yup. No message there, or any sweeping for that matter til the Last turn.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">After review some of my Last turns in a multi game I think you only get this message if your mines do some dammage. If 100% are swept you get no message.

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They did no damage the Last turn either..

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Small wonder with my fleets sweep capacity of 98 mines http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This happens to me quite often; I just blow it off...

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Raging Ragnarok Empire (Ragnarok) -vs- Rambie's Empire (Rambie) 2411.9

"Fleet commanders log - Over the past few turns we have found many empty star systems beyond our borders in Rambie space. This is highly unexpected as the Rambie Empire has had plenty of time to colonize and develop these planets but have neglected to not do so.

We are still in search of the home planet of the Rambie Empire but we feel we are getting closer as now we know which general direction to go in. We were called back close to the system in which we shared with the Rambie Empire for many years to deal with a threat that popped up. Out of the unexplored jump gate in the southern region of that space came out a fleet of 15 ships. It stopped breifly on the planet that the Rambie Empire still had control of and the next month it proceeded to attack our planet there. The results were lopsided indeed. They lost all ships while we sustained no damage to the planet. They didn't even have a chance to fire on our planet as our mine field took out the whole fleet with many mines left over for possible future incursions.

We were not able to make it back in time to stop that fleet but as was mentioned we had no need to be there. We are currently taking out a planet of the Rambie Empire and from there we will continue south in search of the home planet of the Rambie Empire. Another fleet is being built up as we speak and should be ready for reployment withen the next 3 months. End log."

I feel that Rambies choice to not colonize all of those fine looking planets in the northern systems have led to his downfall. He would've been able to support a very large fleet of ships if he would've colonized them but as it is he is all but done for. I'm sure losing that fleet of 15 ships hurt him badly and possibly that was his Last few ships. More information will come as it becomes available.

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Asmala, I am ready to play again if you want to put be back on the hill. I lost my Last game so it's to the bottom for me.

Geoschmo

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The United Floral Empire surrendered to Black Hole Riders Empire at 2406.3! Too bad I have to wait pretty long for the next opponent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Welcome back Geoschmo! I'm not sure if Cheeze continues playing but if he does so he's your next opponent. Btw you can delete the Cheeze vs Asmala game.

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I may lose once again, but I am NOT going to be the nightmare of an opponent (slow turn submission-wise) that I was with Asmala. Really, that game would probably have been over in early May if I could have maintained a reasonable pace.

I get to play Geo..WOW!! I feel like I am facing the great wise zen master of SEIV!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Well, one look at my KOTH record should disabuse you of that notion. 5 wins and 5 losses only demonstrates that I play a lot of games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well if you will loose regardless of submission habits thats a nice attitude http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
But on the other hand, you might even win with less time to think... Has happend often to me that NOT following the first impulse has, after long and careful thinking, lead to a totally wrong decision http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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King Title Defense IV: Stone Mill vs. Rollo
Turn 16

Encountered the Vikings around turn 10. Initial border scirmishes were totally in his favor. Some of that due to my bad risk taking.

I am utterly behind the 8-ball in this match, and will have to count on Rollo making mistakes in order to win. That is a poor hope for the Mercators.

With my poorest start to-date, most of the systems on my half of the map are plain useless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Rollo will chisel out an economic win by just hanging around. We'll see... I'll fight it out!

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[non-KOTH member with future aspirations]

Wow, I wish there was a way to watch pbw games. Watching the title game between the strategy article master and the AI design master sounds really appealing.

[Back to lurking in this thread. But I like all the play by play updates. Thanks guys]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is an open tournament so if you want to participate just send a message to me.

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Mathias Ice vs. RexTorres: The Green Meanies of Mathias Ice have resigned in hopes the empire of RexTorres spares my people from slaughter. Set me up for my next victim. Or is that my next whooping. I AM learning though. Soon the Green Meanies will be a name to be feared... Hopefully... someday... eventually... maybe...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice footer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
Reminds me of: "Its always useful to face an enemy who is prepared to die for his country. This means that both you and he have exactly the same aim in mind." Terry Pratchett

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Gandalph vs. Slynky Stardate 2402.5

We met around 2401. Neither of us appear to have many warships this early. He has just shown me that he has fighters as he launched some on a planet in a system we share. That leads me to believe that he is behind in other techs. We will see where that leads. I also know he has built many transports, and he uses transports as colony ships. His ship naming convention leads me to believe that he also has mines and is mining and stocking satellites at every warp point. I don't see a real problem there, except the 3 more turns it takes to reach mine sweeping capabilities.
So far, some interesting choices being made on both sides. More to follow.
Slynky, your take on things thus far???

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Well, Gandalph, first of all, I think we met a bit later than the second turn ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

[edit] Oh, 2401. NOT 2400.1. (sheepish grin)

Otherwise, my take? I'm kinda stumped. Not sure what to do. 'Course, my research is NOT running as high as I would like it to (but that's always the case, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

As far as tech goes, I figure fighters and mines make you have to research stuff to get around them...only way I know how to play.

And I think I've gotten used to being in 2nd place...LOL!

[ June 14, 2003, 03:08: Message edited by: Slynky ]

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K.O.T.H. Gecko vs Lord Chane

2403.8
The borders have settled down, and we look about even on the number of systems occupied. The initial sparring is over, with L. Chane picking off my scout ships with fighter squadrons. He used a fleet to pick off one planet in the Nizzarum system and I promptly returned the favor. He has gone in heavy for carriers/fighters; I am missile/drone heavy so far. I believe L. Chane has the tech edge at this time.

2403.9
Our 20+ ship fleets met head on in the Nizzarum system. I chewed up an insignificant number of hundreds(!) of L. Chane’s fighters and lost my entire fleet without damaging a single L. Chane ship. This was the probable outcome anyway, but my fleet broke in half around the warp point, effectively letting him “divide and conquer”. His fleet continued into the Ishantrissti system, wiped out my forward fleet base, and captured the 4 colony ships that were mothballed there. Oh joy. Effectively, I have lost the war in a single turn.
A. He now has my gas colony tech.
B. He can immediately colonize my former fleet’s resupply base.
C. He has a 30-ship fleet in my territory, enough minesweeping capability to clear any sector, and no viable opposition for the foreseeable future.

Truly, I am an idiot.

Asmala, please move Lord Chane up a level, and return me to the recycler in the KOTH basement where I belong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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Ragnarok vs. Rambie

Turn 121 - I open the turn thinking that I'll have found his home system by now and should be doing good. Only to find that I haven't found it yet and he now has a fleet of 18 ships heading towards the same planet he lost his other fleet at by my mines. Same turn I continue on my path to wipe out a few colonys in search of his home system.

Turn 122 - I open this turn anxious to find out what happened over my planet with his fleet charging. He managed to sweep the field of 90 mines and battle took place. His 18 battleships against my fleet of 15-19 ships and plus my planet with one WP. Battle was indeed lopsided my fleet took his out with only minimal damage and no loses while taking 1 of his mine sweeping ships. Which should prove useful as it is lvl 3 and I only have lvl 1. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif My other fleet is still insearch of his home system and it takes out a field of 20 mines and glasses one of his colonies. The fleet will glass a couple more in the system and then move on into the next unexplored system. He is close as 3 systems remain unexplored. I figure that was his Last fleet and shall soon be gone with. But I thought that Last time too so who knows. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Georgig has won our game. I don't have anymore enough time for the league so I guess this was my Last game. At least for some time.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First, I want to thank Gecko for the game. He was the fastest opponent I've played against. Sometimes we'd get 6 - 8 turns done in a day. Games are much more interesting when they move along. Second, Gecko's not an idiot. He played well. Fortunately for me he gambled on an approach that didn't pan out this time. It could just as well have gone the other way. A couple of games ago Asmala hammered me in 36 or so turns because I gambled on something that didn't work out either. The bottom line is that sometimes gambles pay off and other times they don't. But it doesn't make us idiots for trying.

Good game, Gecko. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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The Primitive one has been waiting a long time on the crest of the hill. That's no good for for his temper, no good at all.

A skinny little guy calling himself Lord Chane steps up to the crest and calls out a challenge. Sounds like the poor bastard belives the Primitive one will fight an honorable battle.

- Not so young lord, cause no Lords or Lordly manners are alowed in the realm of Primitive.
You I will hunted for sport alone. Your planets I will be glassed and your people captured to serve as slaves for my barbarian hordes. For you Lord Chane, only the ball and chain awaits.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">NOT so skinny, Primitive...LOL...an ex-MP from the US Army and current LAN manager for our southeastern network in the US.

He is about 6 feet 8 inches. And don't EVEN try him in basketball !

Hope you two have a good game!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First, I want to thank Gecko for the game. He was the fastest opponent I've played against. Sometimes we'd get 6 - 8 turns done in a day. Games are much more interesting when they move along. Second, Gecko's not an idiot. He played well. Fortunately for me he gambled on an approach that didn't pan out this time. It could just as well have gone the other way. A couple of games ago Asmala hammered me in 36 or so turns because I gambled on something that didn't work out either. The bottom line is that sometimes gambles pay off and other times they don't. But it doesn't make us idiots for trying.

Good game, Gecko. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Lord Chane. Guess I prefer thinking and playing...
"outside the box". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's been a long game, Rags! Over 100 turns and you still don't have sweepers above sweeper ONE? Makes me wonder what other stuff you have... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've been trying different things this game. I got plenty of other tech to make up for not having sweepers 1. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You've got to test things every now and then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I thought I'd take a gamble and not go for a high level of mines since I got enough sweepers with this tech to sweep over 100 mines so why use the research points on it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
But still, it's typically not me to not go for high mines.

[ June 14, 2003, 23:24: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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I would like to say that I follow this thread as if it were the "SE4 Sports Page" and I want you all to know that I think the sportsmanship shown repeatedly by all of you in the K.O.T.H. league is remarkable. I have played computer games on-line since the early '80s and I can't think of a more mature group who truly play to have fun without any of the childish antics seen elsewhere. Any disagreements here are certainly handled in an adult manner and I salute you all!

Slick.

[ June 14, 2003, 23:48: Message edited by: Slick ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have been wargaming for 20 years, mostly face-to-face strategy games or campaigns built on tactical/operational games where you see definite continuity between scenarios. Generally, the level of sportsmanship and courtesy was very high. Any one that has ever played to the finish Third Reich, World in Flames, one of Columbia’s block games, or a Star Fleet Battles campaign understands the enormous time commitment and the enormous complexity of these games. They require dedication, camaraderie, tolerance, and a sense of humor, often at one’s own expense.

SEIV PBW is my first venture into Online gaming. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that an Online game can exhibit that same sense of community, in the best sense of the word. I am not sure if this type of game attracts certain types of players or simply requires certain types of players to function, probably a little of both.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, it's a nice breath of fresh air. I know that most anyone who has the "balls" to join in KOTH has to be of a competitive nature...and sometimes, that can show some ugly sides of people. But, as you said, and others, it's great to join in a game (with someone from ANYWHERE in the world), give it your best shot, and laugh when you fail and be humble when you succeed.

Of all the games I play, I enjoy this one the most and all the people who read and refrain from joining in on the fun should take the plunge and see how much fun it can be, win or lose.

You said it best, Slick!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, it's a nice breath of fresh air. I know that most anyone who has the "balls" to join in KOTH has to be of a competitive nature...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Be careful, Slynk-meister... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
That word usage almost got me in trouble... so here are a few more synonyms, for everyone's reference:

balls
guts
nerve
chutspa
internal fortitude
moxy
bravery
daring

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Slynky -vs- Gandalph - 2404.4 (I think)

Another one of those big battles and weird twists of fate: Two big fleets sitting opposite each other at warp holes. Both decide to move in against the other. And like two ships passing in the night, we missed each other and had combat in each other's system. I swept mines (and no other resistance) and he swept mines and fought against fighters and satellites...losing nearly half his attack ships.

Had I stayed at the warp hole one more turn, I would have wiped the entire fleet of his (I think) and had he stayed at HIS warp hole, he'd had first shot on my fleet (who knows what would have happened).

Thankful that I have my latest designs (a small fleet of 5 destroyers) one sector away from his invading fleet (and more on the way). Now, with my other fleet (that passed his by), do I move toward his home system (one system away) or do I double back?

For the first time in about 40 turns, the loss of his ships in my sector moved me to first place. Our scores and ship-count must be very close.

As always in KOTH, waiting for the next turn and results wreak with anxiety! Win or lose, it's another nail-biter which makes this competition great!

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Ragnarok vs. Rambie

Turn 124 - I open the turn eager to find out what happened. I then find that Rambie accepted the demand for surrendering and the game is finally over. I want to thank Rambie for a great game and I wasn't sure if I would pull it off for along time. He kept coming back with fleets of ships when I thought I had taken the Last one out. But it was my superior colonization efforts that won the game I think. He left too many open planets in his half of the map and that hurt him alot. I made a few mistakes in this game but I was able to recover fast enough that he wasn't able to exploit them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But all in all a great game and Rambie is a good player.

Move me up Asmala. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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A long game, Rags! And like a good book, you hate it when it's finished. But still, you look forward to the next book.

Congrats to both on a good game...to have Lasted for over a hundred turns, it must have been a nice contest!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have been wanting to comment along these lines for a while now, but I couldn't decide whether to start a new thread or plug my comments in on some existing thread. Thanks to Slick for breaking the ice! I too have been a wargamer for some 20 years now, cutting my teeth on Avalon Hill's Tactics II (after consistently besting my dad at chess.) Finishing a game of Third Reich or Blitzkrieg is a major accomplishment and one I can only claim to have done a handful of times, against another opponent at least. (BTW there are PBEM systems out there set up for Blitzkrieg, Third Reich, Ogre, GEV and many other board games that I don't own. If anyone would be interested in something along those lines send me an email.) My thinking is that these types of games require a certain passion tied with a certain personality type. The passion is obvious; we wargamers are a breed of our own! The personality is somewhat ambiguous, but from my own lurking in these threads, both on and off topic, I have found one of the common themes to be that we all seem to be "deeper" than average thinkers. I am constantly amazed at the level of thought on such topics as politics, world events, religion, theoretical science, etc. And very notable and commendable is that despite the wide range of opinions on such "touchy" topics, for the most part, civility is the rule of the day.

This is my second serious Online gaming experience. I played Everquest for several years. I quit for two reasons; 1. the constant drain of money for the expansions and monthly fees, and 2. most (but not all) of the people in that community seemed to have the personality of a spoiled eight year old boy. My three year old son has better manners than most of the Everquest community. The maturity of this (SEIV) community is extremely refreshing. Recently there was a thread posted by one of our younger members who was depressed and seeking advice. I was stunned by the level of compassion displayed by this community! I consider it to be an honor to be a part of this community and look forward to many hours enjoying your company.

Mathias Ice