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I agree. You all probably have no idea of the amount of gems I threw into fighting Helheim. Besides my normal, high gem income, I was fever fetish spamming (got upto +30 fire gems/turn) and clamming, approaching +50 astral gems/turn.

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I am truly amazed. Was hellheim that powerful that it took this kind of economy such as you had plus all the might of Ulm to contain it???

What I saw from hellheim suggested poor research, hence vulnerability to high level spells.

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Yes, Helheim was that powerful.

I did not find him that vulnerable to high level spells. You only got 2-3 rounds before you were overwhealmed at best anyway. Remember thou this was before Helheim was nerfed.

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Yea, Helmheim was difficult to contain, and he played his hidden troop really well. Probably Oceania, being a water nation, was never as effected as I was, but he managed to completely kill my economy with this guerilla tactics.

Problem was that my PD was more or less useless: even with PD 20+, a small group of his glamour units was able to take a province. So, I would have needed to put a significant army into every province.

Thanks again Meglobob for the helping me in this joint effort. And Migaaresno, well played.

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No problem Bluebird, I was sure we would win together vs Helheim but Migaaresno was excellent with his stealth troops.

Yea, PD wise, I tried 40+ with a couple of mages to support in a vain effort at a defense, failed miserably...I think any PD cannot survive a assault by even a few of Helheims raiders.

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But couldn't you sacrifice defense of your own provinces and just bring the attack to his home court?- I mean pay him back with the same coin. Use small squads, recruit some stealthy indies, use assassination spells, ruin his economy with hurricanes, volcanic eruption etc etc. The question is not meant in a disregarding way, rather I'd really like to better understand what really happened.

Now I'm really sorry I moved all of my scouts out of hellheim's turf, I probably missed a lot of fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

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You won thats what happened... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Helheim was a really big help to you, he killed Vanheim single handed early on, drove me into the sea. Then he killed Marverni, helped by Ulm. Then he defeated the alliance of myself (Oceania) and Ulm. Well doing so he even attacked Sauromatia and softened him up for you. Thats the story of the west, domination by Helheim...the east is a tale for someone else to tell.

Just for the record I did Mind Hunt several of Helheims leaders and did hit him with regular locust swarms.

The best troop against Helheim were mercenary slyphs, those wiped the floor with his troops, shame they deserted me. Also fire elementals and magma children, fire attack AOE 1 were good, but they came along too late. Really spring hawks are probably a good answer to Helheims troops but air is a weak path for Oceania.