Re: Proposition 39
 

Since Arco was allowed as a signatory, if anyone has attacked me, any other signatories can attack Arco's attacker(s) (who may then in turn be attacked by other signatories) thus triggering the Apocalypse.

And it's about time, isn't it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../firedevil.gif

Re: Proposition 39
 

I thought that was my other game (yarnspinners2)!

I thought it was amusing that Prop 39 allows someone to attack Arco, then defend Arco (and also attack themselves, if they like (*)).

(*) But unfortunately, the game does not support this option.

Re: Proposition 39
 

I would caution (PP39) Wyrms to verify that they are allowed to attack under 39 before launching an assault. There are still substantial benefits to being in the council (I believe), and mistakenly attacking another Wyrm before you are allowed to (i.e., before they attack someone else) will result in automatic roguehood.

I have an urge to make a little chart showing who has attacked who under the allowance of 39-- but that's uncessary, I'll just start a subpage on the wiki. I always wanted to use the "Treaty" page:

<a href ="http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Treaties">http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Treaties</a>

Re: Proposition 39
 

Note that the greatest devourer of armies slew himself this month, while popping into a province that he had been invited to visit. In a fit of pique over having to eat undead, Vyrmin did retreat into hostile lands in order to purge his stomach of the nasty meal.

Re: Proposition 39
 

Vyrmin was invited by Ulm to a special dinner party in his honor. Unfortunately, Lord Pasha served up too much food for even Vyrmin's two heads. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

Re: Proposition 39
 

Oooh, sounds scandalous!

With hosting probably about 9-10 hours away (yes, a bit late) I'm missing turns from Atlantis, Ermor, Jotunheim, and Machaka.

Re: Proposition 39
 

you dont need my turn, im completely destroyed.

Re: Proposition 39
 

My turn is being played at the moment. I saw that Vyrmin was over his heads with bonefiends.

Re: Proposition 39
 

Sent now. Zona Nyl will enjoy seeing you fight eachother to death.

Last wyrm standing...
 

I, Jack of Marignon, noticed that there are only 4 wyrms in the Hall of Fame who haven't died yet (I, of course, am one of them, being too pretty to die).

I challenge each of the others (Ygorl, Apep, and B'ang!Pat'h) to take a pledge: that should they die, they will pay 20 gems (of whatever color) to each of the others left alive (who also took the pledge). Should another wyrm make it into the Hall, they would be entitled to take the same pledge, for the same risks and benefits.

What do you say? Are you wyrms or poodles in wyrm's clothing? I, of course, enter my name (and that of my brother, Jacques) into this contest. Who dares to follow?

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

You are so funny, djo! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

Jack of Marignon, as the most recent to die : _I_ am no poodle. May we expand the bet so that, should you and I butt heads, no council business is broken, but twenty gems is at stake?

Chuzrael, focusing a seance for Vyrmin

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

Lormungand has never died, but has been ill for most of the game. to ill to over eat lesser beings without getting a sore stomach.

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

My brother's attention span is limited, as is his valor. He has disappeared to go drinking, but I will uphold our honor: should we cross paths with our hitherto gregarious neighbor Vyrmin, a side bet of 20 gems shall lie on the results.

Jacques du Marignon, Caelum, et Machaka du nord

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

Waiting for Aby, Arco, Erm, T'ien, Ulm. Hosting tonight some time after 8.

Re: Last wyrm standing...
 

Sent Aby this morning, also re-sent this afternoon.

WAR!!!
 

Fellow Wyrms:

In a purely defensive preemptive police action, national commando units of the Great Pretenderate of Ulm crossed into Acro this last turn to destroy a temple on the border shared by Ulm and Arco. Ulm spies had uncovered semi-reliable evidence that Arco religious fanatics were using the temple to plan acts of aggression to be carried out within Ulm territory.

This police action was carried out under the authority granted to Ulm under this Council's Proposition 39.

Lord Pasha

Re: WAR!!!
 

I confirm this dastardly strike by the Ulmish scum! Note that Ulm may now be attacked by all other Prop 39 signatories. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Re: WAR!!!
 

Missing Atlantis, Pangaea, T'ien Ch'i, and Vanheim. Hosting tonight.

Even more War!
 

Please vote "yes" on friendly-happy-Proposition 40.

Belgium!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Re: Even more War!
 

The much more reasonable Proposition 41 is up for votes. Notice the much more enticing bribe!

Re: Even more War!
 

Don't you mean the much LESS reasonable Proposition 41?

Re: Even more War!
 

YAP (Yet Another Proposition)

Re: Even more Propositions
 

There is great activity at the council. Proposition 43 is ready for your votes.

Re: Even more Propositions
 

Because it is a weekend proposition, there are still 5 more hours to vote on Proposition 42. If Atlantis votes I believe this will have the distinction of being the first full-suffrage proposition -- and he is the swing vote.

Note my comment in the Proposition discussion that I am voluntarily not taking the initial 75 gems if this proposition passes. I hope that a few others may join me so that this valuable piece of can pass without forcing Ermor to go rogue.

Re: Even more Propositions
 

I have all turns except Marignon, Pangaea, Pythium, and T'ien Ch'i. Hosting tonight, maybe even soon after eight.

Re: Even more Propositions
 

I put up a new proposition!
Familiar, yet different... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

Nice. So, do Pythium and Man wish to join in as well? All together now!

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

We are curious why Jotunheim, in their new proposition, chooses to exempt themselves from Prop 39, when Ermor, when petitioning to join the C'tis-Vanheim war, left themselves open to reprisals.

Were the lizards not filthy disease-carriers, one might begin to feel sorry for them.

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

You were the one who had to have his big brother fight for him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

As a point of order: who decides what a proposition really means? I know there's a process to bring a matter to the chief justice, but is that the first option, or a last resort?

I ask because I'm trying to decipher what Proposition 43 + 39 really mean. My current interpretation is that nothing Vanheim or I do to each other can trigger 39 since authorization for that war came under 40 which exempts 39. However, though Ermor has not directly attacked one of my provinces, the language of 39 is: "shall attack or engage in war against". Proposition 43 is Ermor entering into (i.e. engaging) war against me, and thus I believe he is already a valid target for PP39.

Well, I shall post that on the wiki section and you can comment there, but I'd appreciate any "out-of-character/disinterested" opinions also.

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

Facetious answer: yes, another proposition!

Serious observation: quite often the discussion here and there reveals what the consensus reading of a proposition is. A follow-up proposition would probably enforce it.

The wyrmly answer: Jacques would like to see an attack (the declaration isn't enough); Jack thinks you don't have to wait for a threat to become a poke in the eye before you act. Marignon would probably abstain, split vote.

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

eh, I do not wish to war against c'tis and vanhiem and welcome all comers like ermor does. I just don't want to see all that wonderful c'tisian land fall to such as ermor, who already has plenty of land, while I sit and watch and remain small.

Personally I voted for 39 as a deterent, for the added threat it brings on being attacked, not out of support for a clearly insane proposition. I almost want to propose to have it repealed.

Anyway for my own propositions I would like to maintain the increased threat posed by prop 39 to the arcosephale/ulm conflict, and handle my personal conflicts in a traditional manner.

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

*yawn* Can someone let me know who we can attack now? We're bored, and since we died of indigestion we haven't eaten a proper meal/army.

Vyrmin

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

Cainehill, here you go:
http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/W...title=Treaties


I need turns from Abysia, C'tis, Jotunheim, Mictlan, T'ien Ch'i, and Vanheim.

Re: Do the propositions ever stop?
 

Abysia, Ermor, and T'ien Ch'i still have outstanding turns. I'll host tonight or sooner if I get all three.

Proposition 46
 

Proposition 46, End of Pangaea Exile, is up for consideration.

http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/W...=Proposition46

Re: Proposition 46
 

btw I want it to be known that I did not seige C'Tis' capitol and thus am not targetable via prop 39, One of my sneaky types were found, and subsequently won.

Re: Proposition 46
 

And Ermor had better send me (and others!) 21 gems this coming turn, or things will get *really* hairy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Proposition 46
 

That seems unreasable. I will send 7 gems for turn 90 and 7 gems for turn 91.

You can't expect that a proposition can force people to do something when passed that late in a turn. I know that I do not have time to constantly observe what is happening.

Re: Proposition 46
 

Waiting for turns from Abysia, Atlantis, Ermor, Marignon, Pangaea, T'ien Ch'i, and Vanheim.
Out of breath now.

Re: Proposition 46
 

Note:

The distribution of Pangaea wealth has been posted on the COW site under proclimations:
http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/W...=Proclamations
Scroll down to the end to read it.

Re: Proposition 46
 

Waiting for Aby, Arco, Mict, Pyth, T'ien, Van.

Re: Proposition 46
 

In the wiki under proclamations, Vanheim asked:

As a neighbor of Man, we wonder if there are comments and/or more details from the involved parties.

Re: Proposition 46
 

[Grimbald, chief interpreter of the council rulings, speaks up]

"This was a carefully considered move, not undertaken lightly nor without much inspection of the Charter and its amendments. When Ermor moved armies into Vanheim's provinces, they ceased to belong to Vanheim and became 'under contention', co-owned by both Vanheim and Ermor. Since attacks on Ermor are allowed by Proposition 39, we sent forces in to disperse the river of undead flowing into C'tissian lands.

"I see that the Wyrm of C'tis has posted much the same explanation (as well as a counter to Vanheim's claims of innocence) in the Hall of Proclamations. I suggest that we move future discussion of this issue to that more-appropriate forum. I will bring notice of this matter to my Liege Ygorl."

Re: Proposition 46
 

it would indeed make him rogue

Re: Proposition 46
 

On an entirely different note, I'll be out of town Wednesday-Sunday, so I won't host Thursday (and I will probably be a bit late on Sunday).

Re: Proposition 46
 

one should note, since ermor voted no, they are not attackable under prop 39.

Re: Proposition 46
 

I don't think that's right. We 39ers are allowed to attack "any Nation or Pretenderate that shall attack or engage in war against Ulm or any Pretenderate or Nation ruled by any Council Wyrm that votes in favor of this proposition."

I would probably have acted differently, otherwise... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anyway, it almost seems like you've got a grievance against me... Sheesh! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif