Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

That one's already in the shortlist.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Demonbred's have become old.
They used to get old at 500 the new ones at 240. This results in about half of them starting with oldage.
Makes research even harder than it used to be, especially early on.
Not sure if this is a bug but i assume so.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

They aren't demons any more. Demons live longer than mortals. Probably not intended. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Two Serpent Cult bugs
 

- Call Sirrush doesn't work. Message reports spell was cast, but no Sirrush appears

EDIT: Whoops - ignore that one. Call Sirrush does work; I was confusing it with Call Coatl

- Theurgs appear to have female gender rather than male. Then again, they are wearing pink...

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

That's a bug. It stems from the way Dominions 3 autocalculates maxage based on certain factors. Undead have a base maxage of 500, demons 1000 and inanimate units 2400 (mixed units, as in being more than one type at the same time) may have something or other, I've not checked priorities. It seems that demonbreds should have a hardcoded maxage to remove this problem. Will be added.

Beren, I'll add those as well.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I don't know if this is old, or due to MA changes in the 3.10 patch, but I only just noticed it now while testing some things.

LA Tien Chi's Ceremonial Master is missing all abilities.

Description says he should be a Priest and a Fortune Teller, but he is neither, only Sacred.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

3.10, got one, I don't know if it's new or not:

Flying creatures can't fly in or over the water. I've got a flier with a move of 3 I had given a ring of water breathing to go build underwater temples. I should get my move 3 regardless of the terrain, especially since Thetis' Blessing is now up.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Actually, you should not. That's WAD, in sea provinces you move 1 province per turn no matter what your start move is. Unless you are amphibian or flying and can move through adjacent land provinces in order to get where you're going. Always been that way.

Ewierl, the fortune teller thingy is in the shortlist, I'll add the holy too.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I have no problem with units that actually move through the water being restricted to 1 province per turn. Why in the world should that apply to fliers, though?? They aren't in the water to be slowed down!

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

The distinction is not based on movement type but on terrain. Moving IN sea provinces, as opposed to OVER them (e.g. via sailing) assumes the creature is in the sea, in the water. Flyers are unable to cross water provinces like sailors in Dom3.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

> Why in the world should that apply to fliers, though?? They aren't in the water to be slowed down!

Quite few birds cross oceans. They need to land and eat. Imagine a turkey crossing the Atlantic http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
In earlier iterations of dominions seas were generally larger as well. So it is also a survival from these primal oceans that makes them uncrossable and restricts movement. With the deep seas added some movement restrictions should perhaps be removed, particulary regarding sailing.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Hide Shield (armor 105) has an armor type of 5 (body), when it should be 4 (shield).

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

From the manual (pg 124) EA Oceania should have providence defence at 20+ of Turtle Warriors and Mermen. It doesn't get the Mermen.

This is because the nation UW providence defence lists Mermen twice in the data files. One of this double listing should be renamed to land providence defence.

Edit: Corrected manual page number.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

You could make a reasonable case for fliers not being able to cross water because of that. When Thestis' Blessing is up, though, that's not an issue. It should remove the movement restriction on flying across water.

Missing messages
 

3.10 still, SP game. The messages of spells cast and items forged are quite deficient. I'm not even getting half of them, turn after turn.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I don't know if it is a game bug or something on my pc, but the fact is that I can't use any mods. I enable it, start the game and all, but as soon as i hit "end turn" for the 1st time, the game freezes on the middle of the next turn calculations ("research", "resolving battle", etc) or craches with the message "ConvArmyNbr: error!".
At first I thought it was an error on my mods, but then I tested other mods that should work, and the same happens.
Any ideas?

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Yes. Did you make sure you entered the CD-key that came with your manual correctly?

Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Twice now in a 3.10 game, after sieging and capturing an undefended enemy fort, the enemy's recruitment queue (which had been unable to make progress because I'd driven the unrest high with Imperial Consorts) remained. This was particularly glaring because these were national troops (Ulmish) that I couldn't recruit normally...

Once the unrest is driven down below 100, recruitment of those Ulmish troops has continued, even though I'm T'ien Ch'i.

I have not yet seen this in the case of captured forts that involved a siege battle, or pre-3.10, or with forts that had unrest below 100 (although the latter may not be strictly necessary as I've been spamming spies, and undefended forts have been extremely rare).

(Edit -- attached save file. See Dershid, prov. 116.

SP game, w/ Ulm Reborn (irrelevant as an LA nation), Blinking Monkey (only disables some spells), and Streamers/Standards mod. MS Windows XP.)

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Known issue and already in the shortlist as item BHV Recruitment Queue 2. This has appeared as early as 3.04 or 3.06, I don't remember exactly.

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Shortlist roundup:

• <font color="red">U 87 Demonbred</font> Maxage should be increased to 500, since removing demon attribute makes them old and they no longer get maxage increase from blood magic
• <font color="red">U 121 Demonbred</font> Maxage should be increased to 500, since removing demon attribute makes them old and they no longer get maxage increase from blood magic. This unit needs the demon tag removed.
• U 1537 Demonbred (EA, assassin) Maxage should be increased to 500, for the sake of consistency.
• A 105 Hide Shield Should be type 4, shield, but it is type 5, body armor instead as far as the game engine is concerned.
• SPELL Sea of Ice does not affect AI at all. In fact, AI seems to be somewhat immune to movement restrictions that completely prohibit movement. Discussion thread
• SPELL Dance of the Morrigans does not work. Broken in several ways. Discussion thread

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

BUG - ITEM - Armor of Virtue

TAG: Item, Important, *Behaviour?

Description:
The Armor of Virtue no longer casts Ritual of Returning at the beginning of combat. It now casts the spell at the end of first turn, meaning that if you got struck heavily on the first turn the armor cannot save you from your ghastly fate.
In additional to that, if your commander is ATTACKING at the first turn - that is, any action that involved a unit movement - the Ritual of Returning spell will never be casted.

Reproduce the bug:

Forge the Armor of Virtue.
Equip it to a commander.
Script commander to "Attack".
Use that commander to attack some province. View him in the combat; Note that he will NEVER gains the blue icon of Ritual of Returning.

Additional Info:

In the logfile you could still seeing the following lines:

item Armor of Virtue casting autospell cast returning (cr0)
Autospell is cast returning
castspell: cnr148 spl54 (cast returning) vis0 x14 y14 spldmg8388608

But this spell will fail to take effect. Could be caused by the reason that the item tried to cast the spell at "original" place which that commander no longer stands at.

Solution:

Make the Armor casts that spell at the beginning of combat.

Related possible bugs:
I DID NOT tested, but the same thing could applies to other item spells like the charge body armor.

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

People, THAT there is a detailed, readable, good bug report. I'll add that after I manage to condense it to a suitable shortlist entry and link to the post.

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Added magic site locmask issues to the shortlist.

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Wait, that's an issue in the game, not just the DB?

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

The locmask issues in the shortlist are game issues.

The locmask issue in the DB is that I had them screwed up before, so the 3.10 RC1 DB is unreliable in that regard. I have fixed the DB to correctly show the current locmasks, rarities etc, but that does not patch the game, obviously. The fixed DB will be made available after I've checked the status of heroes and uniques.

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

Regarding the locmask post to the shortlist: The Sunless Sea is probably intended to be cave only, based on Coleridge's poem "Kubla Khan".

Re: Post-siege recruitment bug -- previous queue
 

That could be. I do not claim to be nearly as widely read in mythology and poetry as KO, so I would obviously miss things like that. Hence the list entry. I expect Kristoffer will tell me where I've gone wrong.

Mighty Pak-ur
 

Re: Mighty Pak-ur
 

Oh boy, that's an old one. I think it dates back to Dom:PPP.

The period should probably just be changed to a comma.

Magic site locmasks
 

"The Citadel of Pyriphlegton" appeared for me in a province which is flagged as Sea and Border Mountains. I couldn't find this in the latest bug thread entry, so I think it should be added? Wizards recruited in the province will instantly drown. In case it should have given a Citadel as the name suggests, that didn't happen underwater, too.

Re: Magic site locmasks
 

That's WAD, though with a twist. Citadel of Pyriphlegeton has a terrain mask that says "Any land, except caves" (223=1+2+4+8+16+64+128). Border mountains are counted as mountains for site locmask purposes, so the mask for that is 4. Since border mountains are eligible terrain, the site may appear.

Therefore this is not a site locmask bug, but a map error, though there may be a different bug there. Sea and Deep Sea terrain should never be combined with anything else to avoid strange behavior, but I need to look into the locmask issue some more when I get home. If the Citadel of Pyriphlegeton has some problems in the locmask, I'll add it to the list, but if not, then it's a map problem and a problem with mixing sea and land provinces.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Just solved it. I used system recover and then reinstalled the game. Now it is back to normal.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I used by mistake Ankh and an Ark in one battle. Ankh made everyone who died because of Ark into soulless, except for Ankh carrier. Should it be like that?

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Zeldor, yes, that's correct.

Ich, I checked the Citadel of Pyriphlegeton locmask and it's correct. 16607 is an all-terrain-but-caves mask for a unique site, so your problem stems from the mapmaker mixing land and sea terrains in the same province, which should not be done.

I also just noticed your post about giving forts and no, it doesn't do that either in land or sea.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I can sympathize with the map creator that he didn't knew that "border mountains" was reserved for land provinces. Is this documented anywhere? Are caves automatically land provinces, too? Personally I'd be fine if there were underwater farm lands (algae farms), so the game should check if a site can be applied to a province or not depending on sea/deep sea flags.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Yes, caves are automatically land provinces. You'd probably need new terrain masks for sea farms, forests, mountains and underwater caves, which is going to get unwieldy in a hurry. You would then need to go through the sites and see which ones could have the corresponding locmask adjustment (which is further complicated that site locmasks and map file terrain masks do not match, so you need to recalculate them).

Patala and Blood
 

Is Patala really supposed to have access to the Lanka blood summons --

Summon Rakshasas, Feast of Flesh, Summon Asrapas, Summon Rakshasha Warriors, Summmon Sandhyabalas, Summon Dakini, Summon Samanishada, Summon Mandaha and Summon Davanas

?

Not that they have any recruitable blood mages or summonable national blood mages (although Lamia Queens can get there), but just wondering whether it's (a) WAD -- Patala's inheritance, perhaps inconvenient to access put a possible path, or (b) an oversight of some sort.

3.10.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Sounds like a bug, but needs confirmation from Illwinter. They should probably have some sort of naga summons instead, if anything, but such units are currently not in the game.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

I think the question came up before and the answer was WAD.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

That was about Kailasa/Bandar Log IIRC. Patala doesn't have access to the old "good" side of the summons. No Apsaras, Gandharvas, Siddhas... In that light, removing the blood would be understandable.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Huh?

Re: Patala and Blood
 

I'd like to say two things:

1-Monkeys were taught how to summon these things, and they still remember how.

2-Patala doesn't need "rebalancing" in the direction of making it even weaker. It's bad enough all thier "good" summons can be killed by any race with Astral-1. Lookee, you spent 25 Astral summoning a Kinnari. Lookee, two 90 gold Astral-1 Wizards just cast "Magic Duel" and now he is is dead. Great. Of course there is no other reason they would be casting that, except to kill your 450 gold Astral-1 Nagarashi's. In fact, that is why Patala sucks. Right there. That is it. Move a point out of Earth, and put a point in Astral, and suddenly Nagarashi can't be killed super-easy by things that cost a fifth as much. That would be a big help for them. It basically makes me build Nagini's unless I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN no "astral" race is going to attack me. "Astral" being defined as having a reasonably cheap Astral-1 caster. Like a very large number of races. Basically your "change" takes away the only non-capital non-Astral mages I have access to. Unless I want to watch Guru's cast "Touch Of Madness" on my longbowmen. Or maybe I can communion so he can enlarge some dragon flies.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

It seems I misremembered - Patala DOES have access to Apsaras etc. I'm sure that when I tried the nation, I wondered why they were missing spells that they had in an earlier age... It was a long time ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Sorry about that.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Got a couple things to add:

1) Curse of Blood monthly casting doesn't work. It casts once but does not repeat.

2) The manual lists a couple of summoning spells that are apparently national only. I was trying to find a summonable preacher--both of the ones listed aren't available.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

1) Enough blood slaves in the lab at start of turn?
2) Which spells?

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Yes.

I forget which off the top of my head. They are the ones that summon something holy.


I just found another that doesn't work right monthly: Gift of Reason. It did cast but it had no effect. It must have been targeted on a specific unit instead of a type of unit. (I've also had trouble casting multiple Gift of Reason's in the same province on the same unit type.)

Re: Patala and Blood
 

There are no "types of units", it ALWAYS targets a specific unit. If there's more than one unit of the same type, then both are in the list, too. Choosing the same one twice isn't a smart thing to do and it's why it can't be done monthly, too.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Assuming that you did the same error of targetting a specific province when you set it to monthly, try NOT setting a specific one when casting it, but use the default one (which will directly depend on the province number). It should work.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

But when you pick the target for it you are only given the types of units in the province, not all the units.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

Curse of Blood is a summoning spell, it doesn't have a province target!