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That is not an annoyance. That is a tactic.
If we all donate some small magic items to LA Rhyle then we can keep the damage smaller.

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That's pretty low, and a borderline exploit if you ask me.

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I'm going to rule that deliberately filling up another player's lab with nuisance items so he fails in forging is an exploit.

Don't use this tactic.

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I seem to have caused some stir in this thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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I made you 70 Slave Collars Evilhomer!

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If you are at war, then most likely you are not free to research straight to const 8, as their are not many combat spells along that path!

Obviously LA ryleh is not under any serious threat or he may have been forced along a different path to survive.

While I am second in research, and although i love my neighbors and trust them ALL, I do not think I would have dared go straight down the construction path, as those unique artifacts do not do you much good if your empire has been destroyed.

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I'm in dire threat of these dumb indies attacking me each turn... other than that I guess im pretty comfortable.

This would be pretty painful to receive each turn for sure.

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In order to observe the game someone asked if I could make the scores.htm file available via the web. For those who don't know the scores.htm file lists exactly what is in the score graphs but with specific numbers rather than just graphical estimates.

So my question is - does anyone care if I do this? It will list exactly how many army units everyone has, how many forts, etc... While you everyone can get a pretty good idea of what the numbers are from the graphs already some players might not want hard numbers available.

So, if you'd rather not have the hard numbers available to all speak up now! All I need is one player to object and I won't put it up.

If anyone wants to convert the scores.htm file to a graph (I have all of them backed up) we could do that for a complete history of the game as well... (hint, hint, Ich) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I have no problem with that. In fact, once the game is over (or I'm eliminated), I'd love to see these charts.

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I would prefer not to have the hard numbers posted at this time.

The Last words of Tir Na N\'Og
 

The nation of Tir Na N'Og will in the near future cease to be. In a truely devestating attack which caught me utterly and completely by surprise, I have effectively been eliminated from the game.

LA Atlantis sailed a nearly 400 strong army and captured my capital and he has breached Tir Na N'Ogs walls. At the same time MA Oceania has attacked me as well. Also apparently a rather large alliance has 'secretly' been organised to wipe me out. So all in all I am pretty much dead as dead can be. I applaud the effort I inspired, I take it as a compliment.

I hereby release all my allys from there NAP's with me and urge them, for there own sake to conquer my lands as fast as they can. Otherwise you will end up with borders with LA Atlantis and MA Oceania. This will end up being very bad for you sooner or later.

Good Luck to everyone still left in the game, except to those nations that conspired against me, bad luck to you... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

All in all I found it highly amusing, I laughed really, really hard when I got my latest turn, it was very, very funny...but I have always had a wierd sense of humour... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Aagh, aagh, aagh, work work work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Yes, I'll do it - eventually. Before the game ends, even. But I think showing the raw scores right now is not a good idea. What else would they be used for other than to get abused?

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I've got raw scores showing in one of gandalf's midsized games. I'm not sure how it really hurts, the graphs pretty much show the exact same thing. If I see that an opponent is about a quarter inch lower in army size on the graph, or I see that I have 1200 troops and he has 1000 troops... is that a big difference?

I check the scores every once in a great while for the other game, more out of curiosity than anything else. Usually just to see what my troop count/gem/fort count is up to without doing it manually.

I may just be missing something, but I don't see that much of a benefit from numerical vs. graphical.

I'd still like to have it available though, just so I can copy/past into excel and have pre-set graphs limited to my neighbors. I want to know what 9 nations are doing, so I have to uncheck the other 40+ in game. Better scale too.

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This was my last turn for a while - i have briefed folket on whats going on in the world, all my current deals are still valid.

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How is the game going? What turn are you on and how many are still in the game?

I'm a bit curious http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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KO - check this site out:

http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats...e=Perpetuality

It will give you the status of who is in/out and the turn.

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I'm basically out at this point. I wasn't able to ravage EA C'Tis's capital like I promised. I did, however, kill his God. Which was quite a bit of fun.

Jazzepi, gang-banged by 4 nations at once. How many of you can say that?

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In a game this size, I don't think it will be that uncommon.

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MA Mictaln is out now. 2 nations squeezed me like a pimple. They met at my castle and unfortuntly did not try to attack both at the same time. MA Vanheim got my castle. I would not mind seeing the scores posted. But it seems like the game will let me keep coming back in to look at the scores in the game.

Hey Kris, if you want I will give you my password so you can poke your head in and see the score charts.

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I want to thank FAJ who has been graciously flipping players who disappear to computer controlled for me. Thanks "Gravedigger" FAJ!

Please don't make me call upon his services because you rudely abandon the game. If you are losing interest in the game because you are doing poorly simply set yourself to computer controlled please.

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I just realized something that is completely obvious, but as I just realized it I figure mentioning it might be of use to somebody. If you're looking through the history of Perpetuality thread, it's pretty easy to just skim through and glance at the "edited by xxx" tag at the very end to see when updates have been posted to each post. Then, if the poster posts/deletes to bump it whenever an update is posted it'll be more like a regular thread where you can just read the latest update if you're interested.

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Before anyone goes computer controlled let me make a pitch. Not everyone agrees on the good and bad points of these games. If you are getting bored with it because the initial quick-blitz attacks are over and its moving into micro-management then keep in mind that some people enjoy the MM part of the game. You might seek to hand off your nation to one of them.

And even if you are in a totally losing situation, it will still be beneficial for a newbie to step in and play it out. And it would be more interesting to the other players. Please go AI only as a last resort.

Gandalf Parker
--
Do not go quietly into the night
rage rage rage against the dying of the light - Dylan Thomas
What does that mean? It means dont be a putz and quit the
multiplayer game before all of your candles are snuffed.

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would be really great to be able o follow the game without access to dominions. The graphs can be identical to the in-game variant.

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Well... allright. I rescind my earlier veto of this. Make the graphs if you want.

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I'm curious if there's a policy about people who have been eliminated replacing those who give up? I could see a conflict of interests arising from previous disputes being brought back into the game. Or previous knowledge that the person they're replacing would not have access to being used.

Was wondering because I might not mind replacing someone later if they get tired of all the micro, and because I've been eliminated already.

Jazzepi

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I actually think an eliminated player replacing someone tired of the micro is good. That player would be more involved since he was in this game already previously.

Regarding previous knowledge, I'm sure if 10 turns have passed, things have changed sufficiently that previous knowledge is not very useful anymore. We could make it a rule that a previously eliminated player coming back would have to forge NAPs with nations he was previously at war with first.

All the games seem to have serious problems finding subs and replacements, rather than setting a good nation to AI I would rather an eliminated player take over.

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The benefits to having an active, interested player outweigh the possible negatives I think. I would probably require you to declare your grudges at the door (can't expect you to forget info learned though).

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Jazzepi - Replace me in Armadillo!

Edit: D'oh! You're already in it. And in fact I just sent you a diplomatic PM. Stupid llama...

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I don't have any grudges, really :> I got beat fair and square. I try to segment my games, and coming back into Perpetuality would be no different.

In any case, if you need a sub, I'd be happy to. I wonder how many dying nations I can prop up in one game alone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Jazzepi

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The storm is nigh. My scouts observe approximately 6,500 LA Ermorian Undead milling around my Eastern borders. Meanwhile, LA Ermor's lapdog, LA Pangea, gathers a mighty army to my Southeast.

The next few months should prove extremely interesting.

May the best living, non-hooved warriors win the battlefield!

--Serenity, High Priestess of LA Caelum

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Jazzepi, you haven't actually even died yet and you're already wanting to sub someone? Considering your pretender is currently sieging your former capital I'd say you could have it worse. :p

Honestly, given the size of Perpetuality, one could sub a nation on the other side of the map from his original one and not even recognize the particular game.

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I set myself to AI. If my pretender is doing that, it's because she, I think I had a crone with N4, just broke free into the home province. I doubt that the 150 or so werewolves left will be doing anything useful.

Jazzepi

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Hm, I see an obelisk. But oh well, lots of strange things happening up north. You were a good neighbour, I constantly knew who was fighting whom while it lasted. Now, chaos.

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An obelisk? I'm pretty sure I had a crone. Maybe it was an obelisk. I forget about my pretenders a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif I went for uber scales so I could rush with those skin shifters early.

Jazzepi

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Upon further checking with catgod my pretender was as follows.

Monolith
DOM 10
A1
N4

O3
P3
C1
G3
L3
D2

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Luck 3 with order 3, but drain 2?
That just doesn't make sense to me.

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Hey, drain is very popular among my neighbours - all three land neighbours of mine have drain 2. Also, everyone seems to go for order 3 and some positive luck, 1 or 3.

Go figure.

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I'm always a big fan of drain when you are making lots of gold as the only thing it really effects is researching. Since the difference between M1 and D2 is 2 research points per caster. This means with D2 verus M1 you need to build something like 1 researcher more for every 3 you would have built under M1. So for D2 to be worth it, those three scale ticks need to go into something that's going to give you a lot of gold.

Luck 3 seems to open up some crazy good random stuff. Like for instance I got the 1,000 gold random on turn 15 or something which was a huge boost.

I'm not an expert though, and I like to try new things. In retrospect I should have dropped the DOM down to 5, and picked an imprisoned pretender that would have been better for site searching, something like a crone with level 3 in lots of paths.

Jazzepi

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You may live to regret that lapdog comment. Then again, you may not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Id be up for subbing or replacing some one in a nation looking doomed.

So i didnt have to worry about totally screwing it up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Wow, that status thing was really nice. I wish I had that for the other games I've played in. Anyway, I just wanted to take a second to say congrats to Velusion and DrP for successfully managing this game. I was really skeptical that it could be done, both from a technical and social management perspective. But you've pulled it off quite well, it would seem - Great work!

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Yes, this game is a blast. Probably the best MP I have played in, and I haven't even gone to war yet (well, that changes this turn).

Underhanded diplomacy, backstabbing, mega-battles, alliances, trading with nations on the other side of the world that you will probably never even meet in-game, rampant spying, more backstabbing, four-on-one gankfests, and a superpower sitting out in the ocean watching everything. It's got it all.

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This game has been very fun. I can't wait for the next one, too.

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Let's just kill of even a half of the nations before setting up another one, otherwise the pool of players and substitutes is going to get really low. :p

Besides, when is the next patch? From the progress page:
4th july
* MA Agartha heroes x2.

Finally! I want mi heroes! Sweet heroes everyone but MA Agartha gets, until next patch! (and yes, I know the patch won't be any time soon)

Hm, I get a feeling I should rant about ingame issues, but given that the hosting happens about now and I'm still five hours at work there isn't much to rant about. Oh well.

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I fully agree with Ironhawk. It seems to work out splendidly.

I'm very much interested in joining the next one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Atul: I suspect the next patch will be released shortly after JK arrives from the land of the Vanara. He is there in a Vanheim scheme of magical conquest (he's in India visiting a aid-worker friend). He will be gone the whole of july, more or less. So expect an august blessing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Meanwhile I have time to do some nationworks. Realized Agartha didn't have that many MA heroes (none actually). You will be pleased. They are rather tough to compensate for the wait http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, both of them. One living (almost at least, he's rather old) and one not living. But I intend to make a puny one as well (physically at least).

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Oh cool, now I just have to survive 'till August. And until my misfortune 2 deems suitable to give me heroes. Hear everyone, no ganging up on poor Agartha before they've got a shot at their heroes, mmmkay?

(should figure out better things to do at work, this is just painting a big sign on me)

Anyway, KO, thanks for the timeline headsup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'm loving this huge game too. Part of it is that I was able to get 1 of my personal favorite nations (1st pick from my list!), but just having so many different people playing the same game really makes it come alive.

Hopefully the next one will use a simliar method of nation selection, I'm getting some weird results in the random games.

And huzzah for MA Agartha heroes! I rather like all Agarthas, but felt that MA could use more stuff, so this is very good news! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Im very glad that we got this going. It definetly shows the thing about "complaints are often specific to the type of game you usually play". Absolutes about what will or will not happen, or work, or is even worth considering are definetly different on a game of this level.

Hey Kristoffer, since this isnt such a horrible bastardization, is there a chance of maybe fixing the thing about mods not affecting the game sighnup screens? It would sure help in setting up more of these. And in games using modded nations.

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I have no idea of what you are talking Gandalf. You'll have to speak with JK, or perhaps include me in a modded MP game so I get bugged by the problem http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I tell you, one thing I didn't expect is the actual effect of the more difficult research. I'm guessing I'm not the only one who's foregone some of my usual detours in research because it's just not trivial to grab level 2 or 3 in something for one spell. Brings a whole different facet to the value of remote searching spells (if you're not researching those paths already).