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Add to that the fact that scientests, as a whole, tend to be very irreligious, and they tend to step even further away from the right on many issues. |
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Well, it is over folks. Let us try and work together now. There are a lot of problems in the old US.
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Ok -- I was misunderstanding your point. I was under the impression that you were promoting the theory of Obama's non-native-citizenship. If you're focusing on a procedural issue, ok, it probably would be better to have a set-in-stone credentialing process, if only to avoid circus sideshows like these lawsuits.
My 'whack job' assumption was on the basis of the "obamacrimes" website. The name of the site alone screams 'truthie' and beyond that it has the perpetually outraged tone of the most hardened conspiracy theorist. "Learn the truth about Obama's assault on the constitution!" Please. His supporter Lan Lamphere's site suggests that Rahm Emanuel is "the new face of Ernst Röhm." (Godwin, are you listening?) Berg may have at one time been on his rocker. Now, he ain't. Now he associates with people who can say "patriot brigade" with a straight face. |
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I do believe that you are falling for the 'I saw a black bird, therefore all birds are black' fallacy. Scientists may well have educated opinions on global warming or evolution, but that doesn't make them necessarily far left, other than if you want to stick that stupid spectrum individually on every issue. Indeed, I have found most scientists outside of academia to be far more conservative with respect to issues of the economy or foreign policy than the average non scientist, but again, that doesn't necessarily place them by default into any one group. Hell I work at a national lab in a community where the majority of people have advanced degrees in a natural science (as do I) and the electoral split is almost 50/50 for the county. I've been at universities, and within the departments I was affiliated with the split was still not as extreme as is being touted. My observations showed that it was not those in the natural sciences who were left leaning, but rather the faculty in the social sciences and arts. That's not terribly surprising I think, but it doesn't support the assertion that a majority of scientists in this country are far left. Most scientists know a far right nutter when they see one, and when topics such as ID come up they deal with that topic, not entire platforms of parties, but individuals within a party who may be promoting some agenda they disagree with. |
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This Left-right discussion is interesting. Many people here (in sweden) would consider both republicans and democrats to be more or less right wing. Our Right wing goverment that we have right now is much closer to the democrats than to the republicans.
What we call leftist would be those parties left of the social-democrats (which we consider in the middle, and who stand a good deal left of the US democrats) That would include the Left-party (yes thats the actual name!), and the various communist parties. While the greens fall in their own category. |
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n. 1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order. 2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order. I hardly see how this makes him a saint. According the dictionary, this sort of outlook borders on fascism. As far as fiscal conservatism goes, I have a hard time fitting someone into that ideology, who had the voracious ability to spend, as he did. Let's make this very clear - Carter, whom you seem to want to demonize, overspent to a FAR lesser degree than Reagan. In fact, even though fiscal conservatism is all about "minimal government", in such a capacity as the intent is to make government smaller, to make the government financial drain smaller - Reagan seems to have failed utterly miserably. Fiscal conservative policies in America are as old as the nation itself. Originally the idea was to have a federal government that intruded as little as possible on the lives of Americans, that maintained a minimal military and as such, spent as little as possible at all times, thus keeping us free from the temptation to use a bloated military offensively, yet leave us able to rapidly expand the military, should the need arise. So in the terms of classical conservatism, Reagan falls flat. He may be a hero to the neo-cons, but judging by their political methods, they are a gross abomination of American ideals. Quote:
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Inflation is a more complicated issue, as while the average citizen has many reasons to hate inflation, our contrived method of finance requires a certain level of inflation in order to function smoothly. Therefore, unless you have studied this effect in full (for example, 2% inflation is called a "recession", even though the economy is technically still growing), then it is hard to argue which President actually has the healthiest levels of inflation while in office (though most would agree it seems Carter had too high inflation, and Bush Jr had too low, what falls between is not clear cut, plus Republicans seem to want to blame GW's woes on Clinton, why can't we blame Nixon for some of Carter's tribulations....?). Quote:
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Tired of the old "He's a Muslim!" "He's a Terrorist!" "He's a socialist!" absurd rants? Ready for something new, more sophisticated and (incredible, but even more) absurd? ;) http://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/obamawhitehouse.jpg Because only Dom3 players know how evil this can be!!! :D (Sorry for poor quality) |
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OMG..... Who knew he was actually a Dom10, D9 Prince of Death?!
Hurry, someone build The Ark before he gets to Cons8. :shock: |
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It's too late anyway Jim. The "H3 priests" are around doing THIS:
http://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/godhates4.jpghttp://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/godhates2.jpghttp://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/godhates1.jpghttp://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/godhates5.jpghttp://imgboot.com/images/Tifone/godhates3.jpg So now they're busy, the undead walk the earth and we are screwed. Aren't you happy? :hurt: (All the images, even the ones with children, are of public domain and uncensored, so no privacy issues with the pics) |
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from dictionary.com "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." a CONSERVATIVE, with a *distrust* of government is the *opposite* of a fascist who wishes complete government control of industry, commerce, etc. Calling a conservative fascist because they dislike sudden change is like calling our founding father communists because they both had an abiding love of their country. Why is it Jim that those on the opposite side feel free to bandy about such offenseive terms. How would you feel about it if I said we were closer to a fascist state now that Obama your saviour is in power, since we now have a monolithic congress and presidency- and since we will certainly have more government programs and controls. Quote:
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We all hopefully share a love of country, and desire everyone in our nation to prosper. We all have different ideas on the best path to that. I would be *MORE* than happy to allow a lot of experimentation in government programs *if* they were allowed to fail if they achieved no results. Ie., you want a program to increase literacy? Fine. Lets pilot test it. And if it works, and is more cost effective than other programs -we'll expand the program. But if it doesn't work.. it *dies*. No further funding. Clearly defined goals. Clearly defined targets. Clearly defined success or failure. I think liberals believe that the goernment is or should be the shining focus of what america is. America is great because we have laws against wiretaps, america is great because we spend 1 trillion dollars on welfare programs. Whereas I believe that government is a necessary evil. The strength of america is in its people, is in its economy, is in its generosity. We have 300 million people living and working - and much that is good in this country has *nothing* to do with government. Quote:
Exactly when were you calling the middle east stable.. during the arab israeli war of the 60's? The oil embargo of the 70's? The Kuwait/Iraq/Iran wars of the 80s? The Israeli/palestinian intidefada? See, if you read Kissinger's book diplomacy, it documents instability in the area dating back - oh well long before Reagan. According to the the son of the last shah of Iran's book. It was Jimmy Carter's pressure on his father that caused him to abdicate. Leading to Khomeini, the capture of the american embassy, and the world facing the imminent possibility of Iran with nuclear weapons. Quote:
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/Surv...ds=Annual+Data Jim you may be too young to remember it - but the term the misery index was coined during the carter years because of how crappy the economy was doing. Unemployment + inflaction of 20.7 percent. Yes, regan inherited a crappy situation - but at the end of his first term, the misery index was 11.8 - and lower at the end of his second term. When he arrived in office unemployment was 7.2% - when he left it was 5.5%. Quote:
I mean factually, our benefits were always supposed to end. When they were originally passed collecting unemployment was called the 5240 club - you could collect 40dollars for 52 weeks. Unemployment was supposed to help you get through a tough spot - not be a lifestyle choice. And generally americans support the idea of helping people through tough spots - were just not keen on the idea of you subsiding on welfare indefinitely. Lastly, there are thousands of articles written on people that are un or under employed but have given up looking. No one I know considers them employed. No one I know has accurate figures for the number of these people, including you. Quote:
I certainly do believe that carter inherited some of his problems - but I also think that carters poor handling of the economy, poor handling of the oil embargo, poor handling of the shah of iran - and hundreds of other problems qualify him as a poor president. Quote:
Right now we have 4.7% unemployment, 3.1% inflation. Would you seriously try to argue that things are good? But thats what you tried to do with the statistics before. People may not be able to quote facts and statistics - but they know when a country is doing well. Quote:
I believe that clinton was an incredibly skillful politician. But I don't see what his lasting contribution will be. What accomplishment will he be remembered for? I think he will be generally remembered for a good economy, refurbishing the democratic image, monica lewinsky and being impeached. |
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