Re: Patala and Blood
 

Okay, didn't look and thought you meant Bowl of Blood.

However, Gift of Reason does not show you types of units, it shows you every non-commander unit in the province. The one you pick is done by unit ID. There can be multiple units of the same type and they'll be in the GoR list in the same order as they're in the army list, when not assigned to a commander. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to select specific units without afflictions, for example. You just can't sensibly cast GoR monthly, it is not possible.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

You can just avoid recruiting any ordinary units and you will be able to monthly cast gift of reason.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

I was monthly casting it on a summons, not a recruit. I had another mage monthly casting the summons, it worked fine. What *SHOULD* have happened is that every month the first mage GOR's the unit in the province and the second mage brings a new one in. I should have gotten one commander a month with no further orders.

Re: Patala and Blood
 

The GoR list showed me one entry for each type of unit in the province, not one entry per unit in the province.

Behemoth bug
 

[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Bug.gif[/img]: Behemoth

The Enchantment summon Behemoth seems to be working improperly, or has an improper description.

The description implies that you lose the casting mage (he's supposedly riding on top of it & can't cast spells), however, this isn't the case. I've tested in 2 different games, both times the mage is still there, and can cast both ritual and battlefield spells.

WAD with misleading description, or[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Bug.gif[/img]?

Re: Behemoth bug
 

WAD with misleading description.
Conceptually, you actually summon a Behemoth and a mage to control it, but the controlling mage can't cast.

Re: Behemoth bug
 

Don't think there is any pbm with mammoth, apart from an unclear description.
I've got a pbm once in a SP game : one of my fortress wasn't producing anything ( the order queue was preserved each turn). I stupidly erased the game, so I won't be able to prove my statement.

Re: Minor Bug
 

Fair enough. Pretty powerful summon, then.

Re: Minor Bug
 

Humakty: the fortress not producing anything was probably over 100% unrest.

Something strange with the income graph
 

Situation: SP game. From a practical standpoint it's won, I'm just letting it run because I'm trying to see how effective The Looming Hells is.

One AI is left. Not too many turns ago I crushed half his empire. The score graph shows his income shooting *UP* at this point, it's now approaching mine. I've got 2/3 of the world + Gift of Nature's Bounty--he shouldn't be making anything like mine, nor should his have started skyrocketing when I took half his empire.

I also think it's got some sort of income cap in there as my income has been flat for some time now even when I took half his empire.

Unique Summons aren\'t
 

Supposedly the unique (and semi-unique, like Arch Devils) summons call back the same critter you had if he dies and you summon him again.

Oops--I empowered one. He died, I summoned him again. The empowerment was gone. Obviously I didn't get back the same critter I had previously.

I think this is more a matter of the description than anything else.

Re: Unique Summons aren\'t
 

It's the same creature, but the unique ones are actually reset when they die unless you call them back via Ritual of Rebirth. This is WAD.

The score graphs have an upper limit that is much too low for big games, so that you could have triple or more what the ceiling shows, so if the AI is just approaching the ceiling, the score graphs lie. Known issue, shortlisted.

Re: Unique Summons aren\'t
 

This explains why my income line is flat but it says nothing about why his is increasing. Why should his income shoot up when I take half his empire???

Re: Unique Summons aren\'t
 

Maybe you killed off enough of his units that upkeep is no longer an issue? Especially if you were playing with the Better Independents gold mod, he might have had enslaved 9k (600 upkeep) units. If they went poof, his income would go up even with the province losses to you.

Re: Unique Summons aren\'t
 

I think the income graph is not tied to covering expenses like upkeep but just the gross total of income from all provinces.

Re: Unique Summons aren\'t
 

Could be. I'm not completely certain about that. *shrug*

triple magic site of same type
 

I came across this in a multiplayer game in a swamp province.

http://users.on.net/~dfidge/forums/sitesbug.jpg

It looks like a bug to me - bile marshes allow recruitment of hydra hatchlings. In the army recruitment screen it has 3 duplicate hydra hatchling icons.

My main concern is that the duplicate marshes add to the global magic site count, thus there will be less useful magic sites in the game.

Re: triple magic site of same type
 

If those were randomly determined, then it's WAD, though very rare. It sucks to get 3 less useful sites of the same kind, but nothing you can do. Note that this is a swamp province, where this is more common, since there are not that many swamp only sites, so this can happen.

If it's something in the map file, then it's a map problem, not a game bug. So I'd chalk this up as a statistical fluke. I've seen 3x Arena in the same province myself.

In-game message corruption with \'%\' character
 

The '%' character in in-game messages gets used as a print token (with a possible crash if you have %s I think), for example I sent an in-game message:

" - I up my taxes to 120%-140% on turn 1, and patrol"

The message received was:

" - I up my taxes to 120%-14027771505110n turn 1, and patrol"

The "% o" was interpreted as "%o" and printed a stack value as an octal number.

The other guy\'s recruits
 

I've had this happen twice in a row now. I take a province and I get whatever he was building there.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Could be bug, could be WAD, depending on how you read the turn resolution sequence, since buildings happen only after movement and battles. Generally the money is lost and nothing is built if the commander building things is killed, but I do not know what happens if the commander with build orders routs and escapes. It could be that since he didn't die, the game determines that "X had orders to build <building> in province Z, X is alive, therefore complete building", when it should do

- X has build orders in Z for this turn
- Check if X is alive
- If yes, check if X is in Z after battles
- If yes, execute build

But that's just an educated guess on the basis of how mercenary hiring happens (if you hire them in a province you lose that turn, they will serve your enemy).

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

I think mercenary handling has been changed.

Now when you hire a merc in a province which is lost on the current turn, the merc stays unhired. Repeated testing on the battle simulator map of hiring a merc in a province, which is invaded on same the turn and lost, leaves the merc in the unhired state. The money bid on the merc is returned to the Treasury.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

That has always been the case in the exact same way. Movement/battles before mercs.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Yes, but it used to be that if you hired a merc in some province and your enemy captured it, the mercenaries appeared under the enemy's command, bought and paid for with your gold, which is what vfb is referring to as being changed. I need to scratch that bug off the list then.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Added Legions of Steel to the spell bug list. Greenified a number of entries based on progress page and discussions in the mods/maps forum.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Thank you! Thanks from my overworked Yomi Sorcerers too, who have spent the last 10 battles trying and retrying to turn Aka-Oni skin into steel, and failing miserably, even though they were scripted to do something completely different.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Does it works now or didn't Johan notice the problem with researching the spell first to make the item workable? Maybe Edi you can write him something or edit his comment.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Given the title of the post: The other guy's recruits
I think he was talking about troops not buildings. This may be the same as "BHV Recruitment Queue 2", but if it's happening in non-castle provinces that's a new data point.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

calmon, I'm going to test that one myself first, then talk to JK. Ideally, I should test everything I put into the shortlist, but realistically, if it's not a statfix, I probably won't be able to, unless it can be easily reproduced without games that have progressed very far. I have test setup that can address that particular set easily.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Ah, recruitment. Then it's easy. WAD, because if the AI builds troops that require more resources than available, the production will be spread over several turns and popping in like that will just transfer ownership of the province to you, thus also any units that were being built there.

Building queues should probably reset to nothing if a province is conquered, that wouldsolve that problem.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Ah, recruitment. Then it's easy. WAD, because if the AI builds troops that require more resources than available, the production will be spread over several turns and popping in like that will just transfer ownership of the province to you, thus also any units that were being built there.

Building queues should probably reset to nothing if a province is conquered, that would solve that problem.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

I've never seen that, and I used to run into the occasion a number of times. But I started playing with patch 3.04, I think, maybe it was a bug before that.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Yeah, it's the other guy's recruits. The queue is empty but I get one turn worth of whatever he was building.

No castles, these are water provinces and we are both land nations. I've got a SC smashing the main forces and a weaker follow-up unit keeping him from being flanked and building temples.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

The items have been tested and they are still buggy.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Thanks for the test. Hope JK fix this by time. I would love to have a working gatestone without researching the spell http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Apologies if this has already been submitted: When LA Pythium's serpent cataphract rider is killed, the remaining serpent has silver armour, whereas it had gold armour before it's rider was killed.

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Vale of the Silver Cattle magic site says +200 supply, which it doesn't give but is no surprise, but also says +40 gold, which it also doesn't give...

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

Sites that produce gold increase the province's income (and thus are affected by taxation and unrest).

Re: The other guy\'s recruits
 

yah... that's not the case. income is almost identical to the neighbouring province w/ very similar pop and scales, whereas the +40 should almost double the relative value of that province.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Blood Lord: Unit #1389
Is equipped with (among other stuff)
Full chain mail (armor #18)
and
Leather Hauberk (armor #10)

Instead, it should be Full chain and: Iron Cap (#20)

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Unit# 553 Jotun Skratti has old age at 200 in Skratti form, but this changes to 400 in U#1653 Jotun Wolf and U#1652 Jotun Werewolf forms. (U#1653 and U#1652 are already in the shortlist because of age issues with mods, but the change shape issue is not listed).

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Weapon number 336 (the Deadliest Poison), which acts as a secondaryeffect for the artifact "The Sharpest Tooth", is bugged. It does not affect poison immune creatures, like hinted in the description of the artifact "The Sharpest Tooth" (weapon number 337, Item Number 112 ).

I tested this by making a quick mod whic gave some C'tis troops the Sharpest Tooth as a weapon and the bidding them against modded 100hp sitting duck units, some which had posionres 100 and others didn't. The poisonres 100 units did not take any poison damage from units using the Deadliest Poison or The Sharpest Tooth as weapons (I tested both possibilites).

The mod I used is attached to this post.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Edit: Not a bug! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif If I had bothered to scroll down a little more, or paid attention to the icon more closely, I would have seen that the Kokythiad was leading 5 non-flying units. Duh. Sorry!

Unit #1477 Kokythiad is amphibious and stealthy. I gave a Kokythiad in a coastal (land) castle a pair of winged shoes. The Kokythiad's possible movement did not change at all. The "Flight" icon appears on the Kokythiad view unit screen, but the Kokythiad does not get any overland flight.

The castle the Kokythiad is located in is friendly and not sieged.

Specifically, the Kokythiad is unable to fly over any enemy land territory. The Kokythiad is even unable to fly over 2 consecutive friendly land provinces into a 3rd friendly land province. If I give the winged boots to a Commander (Unit#34) instead, he can fly to any land province within 3 moves.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

To know for mapmaking :
[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Fish.gif[/img] Only aquatic magic sites seem to appear on Sea + (most land terrains) - so underwater mountains may be used for a sea with more ressources.
BUT [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Bug.gif[/img] Deep Sea + (a land terrain) may make land sites appear (at least seen with deep sea + cave and deep sea + mountain)

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Despite lots of people trying to combine sea provinces and caves, like last seen in the World of Geometry map, the sea / deep sea should not be combined with any other terrain modifier by design. I have asked about exactly the same thing some weeks ago and I was told that this is WAD.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Info on two bugs:

If you start a new game after playing dom3, without exiting the application, then provinces can have "Ghost" neighbors. This causes dominion problems and counts towards the "more than 6 neighbors" bug.

If your province has more than 6 neighbors, and you do not have positive dominion in the 7th neighbor (in map file order), your beneficial scales will decrease in your province. If you also do not have positive dominion in the 1st neighbor, then the beneficial scales will evaporate in your province.

Please see:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...;Number=567585

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

MOD :

Game (may) crash at game creation stage if a mod using nametype 148 or 149 is enabled.

edit : It seems a really strange bug as other modders didn't have a crash using 148 (but if I only change a #selectnametype 143 by 148 I have a crash with Greyhawk mod).

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

Seige bonuses from items on commanders don't stack. In other words a cleaver (+50) and a wall shaker (+25) = 50.

I am not sure if this is a bug or intended. It seems both items use the same effect and that is why they do't stack.

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

In one of my current MP games i had it twice that a whole army didn't move (different turns). The commanders + units just stand still, ignore the move order and do nothing. I never had this before in all my other games.

The only special is that i used a mixed of stealth & non-stealth commanders but all got the "move" command (approved).

At least in one case i'm sure that no other army tried to intercept me. I never got a battle on the province. Mysterious for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: Bug Thread: Discussion
 

I've seen it a lot. This is not a new bug, it's a very very old one. Might even date back to Dominions 2. It's happening only occasionally, but pops up from time to time in games.