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Timstone October 31st, 2002 12:23 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Then I would change my name to Rear Admiral Floyd.

For those who don't know it, that's from Cow & Chicken.

Ragnarok October 31st, 2002 12:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Timstone:

For those who don't know it, that's from Cow & Chicken.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cow & Chicken are hilarious! I loved it when Cow tried to put out the building on fire with rapid utter squirts, that was great..

Taz-in-Space October 31st, 2002 08:42 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
...Taz, who is now back behind the bar after a close escape from another thread, is heard to mutter: "cow and chicken" and "crudely drawn upstarts" in the same sentence. He goes on to mutter: "Might as well watch that Ren & Stimpy crap!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Hey, look across the street! Is that the Cantina?
Wait a sec... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
If that's the Cantina http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif ... But I'm in the Cantina!
Hmmmm, time to put away the breakables before the boss hears about this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

dogscoff October 31st, 2002 10:50 AM

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Quote:

I don't mean to nitpick (yeah, sure ), but shouldn't the ranks in the forum be Navy ranks instead of Army ? It is a space-navy game, after all.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, but the shrapnel forums aren't just for SEIV - your rank would apply on any of the other Shrapnel wargames forums, many of which are more traditional historical wargames.

[ October 31, 2002, 08:51: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 11:10 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Growltigga strides into the real cantina.

"Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears. I have come to ask for your support in the greatest battle of them all. A crime has occurred, a crime so heinous that it makes all of Dogscoff's predilections look positively tame. The future of your beloved cantina is at stake. A foe so foul is trying to cast confusion on you all, is trying to steal our way of life and relaxation, and is trying to usurp the FBWs.

We must take up arms to defend our right to enjoy this cantina. I ask each and every one of you to join me in this crusade, to defend the free world against plagiarism, to hold back the forces of chaos and dishonesty which threaten our very existence.

Why should you fight? I hear you ask. But think friends and comrades. Think of your lives and think of the future. This is the crux, the moment, the fulcrum. This is the time where you have the ability to change the future, to influence the way things will come to pass. Think of yourselves in the future, would you be proud knowing that at this critical moment, you chose to keep out of the fight and not defend that which we love, I ask you, can you hold yourself up to be men knowing that when the call came, you chose to submit to slavery by evil forces rather than defend your freedom?

The call to arms has come, my legions are marshalled in the car park, Barry is thirsting for blood, the enemy is across the road, will you join me this fight or cower craven behind the cantina bar? PS every warrior will get a free 10,000 mineral tab....

Growltigga pulls out his claymore, checks his blue and white warpaint and hoists up his kilt

FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOMMMMMMMMM

Fyron October 31st, 2002 11:21 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Actually GT, you are proving that there is no freedom. As soon as someone tries to make some competition, you set out to destroy him. If there truly were freedom here, he would be allowed to live in peace. But alas, GT is a power-mongering, tyrannical dictator. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 11:24 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Got it in one Imperator Fyron and remind me to make a note that when the revolution comes, you will be the first candidate to try out the scorpion pit

Actually, and to quote the phrase, there can be only one cantina, other bars can open where they like BUT there is only one Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill and Phongs HEad Cantina. The other one is pure plagiarism.. if it wants to call itself the Brewski Bar or whatever, then no problem but IT IS NOT YE NEW GALACTIC BAR AND GRILL & PHONGS HEAD CANTINA

In the real world, that would be called infringement of IP rights, passing off and a whole host of other legal points that get me quite excited and reaching for my calculator. As I cannot do that in the SEIV forum world, I must resort to marshalling my military might and laying siege to the place

[ October 31, 2002, 09:30: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

Fyron October 31st, 2002 11:29 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
I like scorpions.

More evidence of the oppression of freedom in this here place. Someone voices their opinion, and they get threatened with death. Very nice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ah, but you see, that is the Clone, and this is the After Hours.

And I know full well about copyright infringement, but you don't have a copyright of the Cantina. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ October 31, 2002, 09:33: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 11:34 AM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
and therefore it is a direct copy and therefore an infringement of the inherent intellectual property rights Gryphin and I have in the cantina. We will have moral copyright. It is also technically passing off under various European Directives and I can think of another couple of international regulations that apply. As I cannot prosecute in SEIV land, I resort to type and order my legions to destroy it.

As you like scorpions, I will ensure that when the revolution comes, you are the first to be tortured on the Rectal Wire Brush Reaming Machine.

And please dont come out of the closet by saying that you like that happening to you either!!

[ October 31, 2002, 09:37: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

Timstone October 31st, 2002 12:01 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Growltigga pulls out his claymore, checks his blue and white warpaint and hoists up his kilt

FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOMMMMMMMMM

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They can take our lands, but they can never take our make-up!!

That's one of my favorite lines from Eek! The Cat.
Thunderlizards RULE!!

Fyron October 31st, 2002 12:01 PM

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Could have tried asking him, you know. Wait, that would never even occur to a tyrranical dictator such as yourself.

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 12:12 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Asking who? shouldn't he have asked me? but as he didn't I revert to tyrannical evil (dont forget the evil) dictator type and attack.

Tommorrow night Pinky, we will take over the world

You should also realise that one of the pre-requisites for a career as a lawyer is being an evil dictatorial megalomaniac

Fyron October 31st, 2002 12:19 PM

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Yes, that is true. Lawyers are evil.

Basically, both sides are wrong here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 12:34 PM

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Both sides might be wrong but that doesnt mean I cannot marshall my legions and lay siege to the fake cantina.

Shouldn't you be in bed?

and let us explore this further, why are lawyers evil? when you buy your first house Fyron, why is the lawyer acting for you on that purchase evil? let us also extend this to other professionals who basically charge for their expertise and knowledge, are accountants evil? are surveyors evil? please put your argument forward

[ October 31, 2002, 10:36: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

Fyron October 31st, 2002 12:35 PM

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Two wrongs do not make a right.

Me? No. I am a vampire. I don't sleep at night.

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 12:42 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
"Two wrongs do not make a right" is a bit of a generalisation dont you think? I suspect you need to analyse each and every situation on a case by case basis.

Vampires do not exist. I suspect you are either a teenager or an insomniac or someone who hasn't done their homework when they should and are rushing it

ZeroAdunn October 31st, 2002 12:46 PM

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I have steared clear of this thread thus far because I have seen no need to say anything, but I cannot let this rampant and blatent missinformation continue to go unnoticed.

Lawyers are not EVIL because of their knowledge or expertise, lawyers are EVIL because they in league with the lawn gnomes, which as we all know, run starbucks and work in Microsoft's mailroom. Ultimately, as all people who took kindergarten advanced political science and its effects on legos know, the upper class of gnome society is primarily not lawn gnomes at all, but ducks in silly masks. And of course as anyone who has spent any time studying Pokemon and sixties B-movies knows, the ducks are attempting to control our minds through the use of tin foil and cheese, which is why you should never have these two products in your house, especially not while the hair dryer is running, because as we all know the hair dryers are beaming Marx's manufesto (groucho's, not karl's [that bastard stole my watch!]) into our toes when we sleep. And if you people would just take the time to read a little, maybe pick up a copy of How to make Grandma Murth's Five Alarm Chilli you would know that the toaster is just an innocent bystander in this whole affair and you would stop hitting the poor toaster with a golf club because that is just mean!

So in conclusion, buy new eye toner, it may make you blind, but damn will your eyes look good!

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 12:55 PM

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ZeroAdunn, please post to the cantina more often. That is exactly the sort of deranged rambling that we just love in this cantina.

I think most of the cantina patrons would be hard pressed to match your demented logic without the aid of several gallons of strong ale and the aid of illicit pharmaceuticals.

ZeroAdunn, I salute you

Timstone October 31st, 2002 01:00 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Zero: As we in Holland would say: slijmbal!
You're licking GT's heels, what are you trying to do, get a eternaly free tab?!

But your rant was quite cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 01:18 PM

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Ooh, I am not sure I like the idea of ZeroAdunn licking my heels, after all, I know where they have been.

Slijmbal to you Timstone, please feel free to join the crusade or the "lawyers are the spawn of satan" debate at any time

Timstone October 31st, 2002 01:38 PM

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Wow! Hold it GT!! You're no spawn of Satan, you're just a plain and simple tyrannic dicator. Nothing special.
Sorry, what I meant was that to be a LAWYERS is evil. They are the spawn of something far worse than Satan (who's not such a bad guy as everybody thinks he is), lawyers are the brainchild of economics. I HATE ECONOMY!! Alas, it's necessary evil. You can't live with it, but you can't live without it.

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 01:48 PM

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Timstone, I may be missing something in the Dutch/English transalatiuon but why do you hate ECONOMY, do you mean you hate capitalism?

You have to remember that lawyers are one of the oldest professions. In Ancient Greece/Ancient Rome, they were employed as arbiters on behalf of the common people to counterbalance the authority of the state, and to aid the democratic process by ensuring that anybody had access to a appropriate advice.

That is what happens now, say you are caught doing something nefarious in Kleigat Pampercity, who is going to stop the police doing what the hell they want with you and breaking all sorts of laws. The answer is your inaliable right to appoint a lawyer, their purpose is to speak for you and to ensure that your constitutional rights are not abused.

It is all about balance.

The real reason why people dont like lawyers is becasue they have to use them when something bad is happening. People are already in a poor situation and having to pay for advice is just something else that adds to their woes (it is strange how many people DONT MIND paying their lawyers' fees when they get the result they want)..

I am a corporate lawyer so I get a bad name as people think I am responsible for all the woes on teh global stock markets etc. They actually seem to forget that I act for banks that are lending money to companies to acquire other companies. Generally, this means that the workforce keep their jobs and dont get laid off, that the company has the funds to prosper and grow and that more people get jobs. It is capitalism and certain elements of capitalism are despicable, but at the end of the day it is one of the few economic systems that ACTUALLY WORKS...

Feudalism didn't, communism didn't, you may not like it but capitalism generally does work

dogscoff October 31st, 2002 03:20 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
*Dogscoff is standing by the bar, when he sees a big lever labelled "narrator".

Never saw that before, I wonder what it does...

He pulls the lever. I deep, disembodied voice rolls across the room, and everyone stops to listen, wondering just where it's coming from.

"...and so began the Cantina Wars. The battle lines were drawn, and forces rallied to each side. Brother was pitted against brother, Bill Gates clone against Bill Gates clone, mongoose against mongoose and Taz against a cardboard cut-out of Taz in one of the most brutal, vicious, bloody and downright wierd campaigns ever fought..."

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 03:50 PM

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Dogscoff, sorry me old muckajee but the FBW's and mongoose are all on our side.

The battle lines are drawn, the dreaded silence before the clash has occurred, and I am disturbed to see that my call to arms has not resulted in any mass enrollment to the cause, but simply triggered Fyron to spark a daft argument when he should be doing his homework, ZeroAdunn to start gibbering insanely about bad hair and lawn gnomes and Gryphin to start contemplating if he can find a virgin the Massachussetts area (faint hope)..

I am disturbed at this lack of support for homocidal dictators

Ragnarok October 31st, 2002 03:52 PM

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Ooo, Ooo, pick me, pick me!! I'll fight!

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 03:59 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Great, so far it is Growltigga in his Braveheart costume, 1 tyrannosaurus, 69 FBW's, 18,532 mongooses, 27,945 assorted other creatures, 12 siege engines and Ragnarok, holding a piece of wood with a six inch nail driven through it and wearig an old colander on his head and with a string vest sprayed silver on it by way of armour...

This is going to be a tough fight

geoschmo October 31st, 2002 04:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
You have to remember that lawyers are one of the oldest professions.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The oldest profession, and the second oldest have a lot in common. With both you pay through the nose, with both you end up getting screwed. But only with one do you get to enjoy it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Timstone October 31st, 2002 04:47 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
It is capitalism and certain elements of capitalism are despicable, but at the end of the day it is one of the few economic systems that ACTUALLY WORKS...

Feudalism didn't, communism didn't, you may not like it but capitalism generally does work

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, this is what I mean. Capitalism works. It's also going to work for me when I get a decent job. And I like that a lot. But I simply don't like that way lawyers and economics are always abused. A very small group of people are getting all the wealth and the prosperity and the rest buckles under the presure to deliver more wealth and prosperity.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the few good sides of capitalism, but it also has it's flaws. I know no system ever is going to be perfect, there will always be flaws and imperfections and unfair rules etc, etc, etc...
I'm going to be an egineer. You should see how much everything is coupled to money/costs/economy. When I design something I must obey all kinds of ****ty rules to comply with all the various economic regulations and requirements. All this neverending BS is not worth it to alter your designs so many times you don't even know if it's going to work. And all that in the name of ECONOMY!
I'm not a reactionaire, but that's why I HATE lawyers and ECONOMY. It al represents our unending desire for more and cheaper products that don't Last very long and are very ugly.

I hope you understand this GT. I really didn't try to piss you of or making an angry mod to burn down your house and throw you and your family into the fire or even worse, put you all in a room full with crying infants, I just gave you people (??) my vision on the whole matter.

P.S. I'm with you in the siege of the fake cantina! Death to the clone cantina!!

[ October 31, 2002, 14:48: Message edited by: Timstone ]

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 04:55 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Timstone, have a slight reality check, lawyers are not wealthy, the real fat cats are the business and entrepeneurs (but you cannt generally moan at the latter, after all they take the risks).

The real professional fat cats are the accountants, generally, accountants earn far more than lawyers, far far more indeed

geoschmo October 31st, 2002 05:17 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
It appears the clone can't be a tina has wisely chosen to accept your demands and end the charade GT.

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 05:21 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Hurrah, stand down the troops, recall the legions and put the fires out in the flame cannon....

Another victory for the forces of all that is right and evilly despotic and tyrannical in the world

This calls for a party, free booze for everyone all day...especially Ragnarok who was the only one willing to aid me in my battle to fight plagiarism whether it may be found

Hmmmm, maybe I should destroy that other thread just so they dont think I have gone soft

DirectorTsaarx October 31st, 2002 05:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
...Taz, who is now back behind the bar after a close escape from another thread, is heard to mutter: "cow and chicken" and "crudely drawn upstarts" in the same sentence. He goes on to mutter: "Might as well watch that Ren & Stimpy crap!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">THANK YOU TAZ!!!!!

Seriously, I thought I was the only person who hated those two "cartoons". Good to know I'm not the Last remaining example of good taste. Then again, I _do_ like South Park... hmmmm... now I have to decide why South Park is fine, but R&S and C&C aren't...

dogscoff October 31st, 2002 06:06 PM

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Well, that's that then.

*Dogscoff pushes the "narrator" lever back into its original position. The voice concludes:

"...and so ended the Cantina Wars, the least bloody, vicious and brutal war ever fought, despite all that stuff I said earlier. No-one actually got hurt, apart from Ragnarok, who got drunk in the after-party and passed fell into Barry's mouth..."

DirectorTsaarx October 31st, 2002 06:18 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Hurrah, stand down the troops, recall the legions and put the fires out in the flame cannon....

Another victory for the forces of all that is right and evilly despotic and tyrannical in the world

This calls for a party, free booze for everyone all day...especially Ragnarok who was the only one willing to aid me in my battle to fight plagiarism whether it may be found

Hmmmm, maybe I should destroy that other thread just so they dont think I have gone soft

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, sorry GT; just now caught up with the cantina, and it looks like I've been a typical American by showing up late for the big war... too bad it ended before we could join this time. I had a mob of Titans, a tribe of Ogres, some Mountain Trolls, and various former deities from minor cults and pre-JudeoChristian religions. I tried to get a couple longboats of Vikings, but they were waiting for Dogscoff to quit playing with his lever... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 06:21 PM

Re: Ye New Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong\'s Head Cantina - After Hours
 
Cheers DirectorTsaarx, have a drink on me. It is nice to know who your allies are.

Hang arod, I am pretty sure it wont be too long before there is another battle royale in the cantina. Keep your troops on ice and your sword sharp

Oh, and can you help prise open Barry the T-Rex's jaws so that we can extract Ragnarok

Ragnarok October 31st, 2002 06:31 PM

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*Starts mumbling things inside Barrys mouth, "Let me out of here!"*
Rags finally gets out and starts to dry himself off, it takes 4 huge towels but he is finally dry.

I hate R&S, that show is so stupid...
But C&C are hilarious, at least the ones I've seen. I've only seen it like 4 times but they've all been funny when I saw them.
South Park is the bomb, never have I seen a episode where I didn't laugh my arse off.

Hey congrats to GT and his army of animals and so forth for winning the shortest battle ever!
And thanks for the free brewskis, I'll take some for the road too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 31, 2002, 16:33: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Gryphin October 31st, 2002 06:34 PM

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I wonder if Rags has thought of starting a fire?

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 06:35 PM

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Rags, you are welcome, but I should point out that my feared Byzantine army actually comprises hardened veteran armoured human warriors (OK OK they are mongooses in armour, the ACME surplus army company was a bit short).

Growltigga lets his fur down for the party and watches the jacuzzi sized vat of champagne get wheeled in by the armoured bikini clad FBW's

DirectorTsaarx October 31st, 2002 06:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Growltigga lets his fur down for the party and watches the jacuzzi sized vat of champagne get wheeled in by the armoured bikini clad FBW's
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excellent plan! I'll direct my Titans to set up the swimming-pool sized vat of mead out back...

CANNONBALL!!!!!! ((SPLASH)) ((glugglugglug))

And no bathing suits allowed in the mead pool. Skinny dipping only. Wear your costumes later http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Growltigga October 31st, 2002 06:47 PM

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but shower first before you get into the mead pool, I dont want to swim into Mac's sweat

Gryphin October 31st, 2002 08:16 PM

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About swimming in the meed?
Guys, please use the loo, not the pool!

Erax October 31st, 2002 11:10 PM

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Like a true Third Worlder, by the time I understood what was going on, it was all over... (then again it may have been the free drink Taz gave me).

Anyway (please wait while I get myself one of GT's free beers), here's something I'd like to say :

Quote:

Originally posted by Growltigga:
It is capitalism and certain elements of capitalism are despicable, but at the end of the day it is one of the few economic systems that ACTUALLY WORKS...

Feudalism didn't, communism didn't, you may not like it but capitalism generally does work

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, feudalism works. It's a stable system and still doing well in various places around the world. The problem with it is that it just doesn't go anywhere. Capitalism, on the other hand, is going somewhere mighty fast (we just don't know where).

Trajan October 31st, 2002 11:22 PM

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You know what the rumors are about Romans and bath houses.

I think I will be staying away from them, lest Anotoninus (a la Sparticus) stop by for a song.

Cheers!

Erax November 1st, 2002 12:53 AM

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Romulans and bath houses ? Sounds interesting. No, wait, it's Romans... me not read so good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

tbontob November 1st, 2002 01:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Erax:
Originally posted by Growltigga:
It is capitalism and certain elements of capitalism are despicable, but at the end of the day it is one of the few economic systems that ACTUALLY WORKS...

Feudalism didn't, communism didn't, you may not like it but capitalism generally does work

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, feudalism works. It's a stable system and still doing well in various places around the world. The problem with it is that it just doesn't go anywhere. Capitalism, on the other hand, is going somewhere mighty fast (we just don't know where).[/quote]

Hmmm....

I think democracy tempers capitalism when it gets too far out of line. People rise up, the government and the courts take notice and laws are passed designed to limit or prevent the abuse. Dictatorships and communism on the other hand, generally do not like capitalism because the capitalist has the potential be a powerful figure and therefore is a threat to their power. The comment on feudalism is, in IMHO, right on the money.

Fyron November 1st, 2002 01:56 AM

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Oppressing most of the citizens in the nation may be stable, but it certainly isn't right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And that is exactly what Feudalism is based upon: systematic oppression of the lower class by a very small upper class.

tbontob November 1st, 2002 02:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Oppressing most of the citizens in the nation may be stable, but it certainly isn't right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And that is exactly what Feudalism is based upon: systematic oppression of the lower class by a very small upper class.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I most heartily agree with you Fyron. It isn't right. But until the people realize they are being abused, it will continue.

But once the groundswell starts, the feudalist (my word, probably not in the dictionary http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) had probably high-tail it out of the country.

ZeroAdunn November 1st, 2002 02:50 AM

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Yah, you can't not like the economy, that is just stupid. Because quite frankly, not liking something that doesn't exist is just stupid. I mean, we all know the economy was made up by chinese theologians in an attempt to get small children to go to bed early....

Geez, you would think you people were razed in some backwards part of the world, like that truck stop along route 50.....

But I digress...

I just wanted to apologize for my rant, I have been having a bad hair day today and I think it is really getting to me. I was wondering if anyone would happen to have any advice on how to deal with it:

http://missionotakon.chibianime.com/...sdbzffight.jpg

I am thinking a hat

dogscoff November 1st, 2002 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Oppressing most of the citizens in the nation may be stable, but it certainly isn't right. And that is exactly what Feudalism is based upon: systematic oppression of the lower class by a very small upper class.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">*Dogscoff sees an unmissable opportunity for some Pythonism. He bops Fyron on the head with his sword, and Fyron responds with:
"Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system."
"Shut up, bloody peasant..." *thwack* *thwack*
"Ooh! Did you hear that? Help, help, I'm being oppressed..."

Growltigga November 1st, 2002 10:43 AM

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I agree with Fyron and I also agree with Dogscoff (and cant resist a bit of Pythonism either).

Supreme executive power must derive from a mandate of the masses, and not from some farsical aquatic ceremony bestowing kingship on one individual.

The point about feudalism is correct, and one major point about feudalistic societies on a historical basis is that when the codex of laws extends to provide what we would describe as inalienable constitutional rights for the normal person, you generally find that this is the overriding force that leads to the gradual installation of a democratic society. I am pleased to say that historically, lawyers have always assisted this by being the profession that speaks up for the masses.

If you live in a feudalistic society, my advice is dont revolt, simply instruct a really good firm of lawyers


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