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Suicide Junkie September 9th, 2003 06:32 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If you're out of the bLast radius too...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bLast radius of a nuke is so large because the bLasted chunks of uranium/plutonium/etc. moving at incredible cause fission in all of the molecules around the detonation point that they run into, which then cause more fission and so on. There is less and less of it as you move away, but the chain reaction is what makes it so large. In space, the explosion would be very small in comparison. Not less deadly at the bLast point though, just a much smaller area of effect.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Almost any element you pick won't undergo fission or fusion, even if you manage to nail it with subatomic particles or other atoms.

All the neutrons flying around will hit other atoms in the atmosphere, but they won't fission. They'll just become radioactive, and spit out beta (electrons, positrons), and alpha particles (He4 nuclei) a bunch of times until they become stable. Relatively little energy is released that way, and it isn't released fast enough to help the shockwave.
The shockwave isn't radioactive (its simply the pressure front - sonic boom style), its the neutron irradiated garbage thrown up in the air by the bLast, and the direct byproducts of the uranium scattered out.

Notes:
- Don't worry about the elements with short half-lives. They'll be at undetectable levels in mere minutes.
- Don't worry about the elements with long half-lives. They'll emit hardly any radiation. U235 for example (700 million years).
- Do worry about the stuff that Lasts for countable numbers of years, and the stuff that collects inside you. It's radioactive enough to be of concern, and remains dangerous for your lifetime.
- Don't worry about low dosages. Denver, Colorado gets 1000 mRem per year from natural sources. Radiation sickness dosen't show up until about 50,000 mRem in a single dose. Even your coffee is radioactive and puts out over 400 Bq/kg, which would make it nuclear
- The NRC's annual public dosage limit for artificial sources is 1/4 of the average naturally occuring dose.
- Coffee has a natural radioactivity of over 400 Bq/Kg. Some regulations
And, most important:
- Do not start nuclear wars; its bad for your health.

[ September 09, 2003, 05:33: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

narf poit chez BOOM September 9th, 2003 06:49 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
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and alpha particles (He4 nuclei)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">in which case, it's fissioning.

Cirvol September 19th, 2003 03:07 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
lol, suicide junkie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif amazing stats there

thanks

as far as the stars that 'appear' closer... its due to the frame of reference that was chosen for the map... those ones that look closer are really further away, but in the depth field

proxima centauri is the closest star to sol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

oleg September 19th, 2003 04:41 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
[QB...]Almost any element you pick won't undergo fission or fusion, even if you manage to nail it with subatomic particles or other atoms.

All the neutrons flying around will hit other atoms in the atmosphere, but they won't fission. They'll just become radioactive, and spit out beta (electrons, positrons), and alpha particles (He4 nuclei) a bunch of times until they become stable. Relatively little energy is released that way, and it isn't released fast enough to help the shockwave.
The shockwave isn't radioactive (its simply the pressure front - sonic boom style), its the neutron irradiated garbage thrown up in the air by the bLast, and the direct byproducts of the uranium scattered out.

Notes:
- Don't worry about the elements with short half-lives. They'll be at undetectable levels in mere minutes.
- Don't worry about the elements with long half-lives. They'll emit hardly any radiation. U235 for example (700 million years).
- Do worry about the stuff that Lasts for countable numbers of years, and the stuff that collects inside you. It's radioactive enough to be of concern, and remains dangerous for your lifetime.
- Don't worry about low dosages. Denver, Colorado gets 1000 mRem per year from natural sources. Radiation sickness dosen't show up until about 50,000 mRem in a single dose. Even your coffee is radioactive and puts out over 400 Bq/kg, which would make it nuclear
- The NRC's annual public dosage limit for artificial sources is 1/4 of the average naturally occuring dose.
- Coffee has a natural radioactivity of over 400 Bq/Kg. Some regulations
And, most important:
- Do not start nuclear wars; its bad for your health.[/QB]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Technically, you are incorrect about fission: if atom absorbs neutron and then emits alpha-particle, it IS a fission, the products would be He4 and another stable nucleus.

Kamog September 19th, 2003 07:56 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
I have never been sure whether Alpha Centauri or Proxima Centauri is closer, because I have heard both.

Fyron September 19th, 2003 09:50 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
Go look for a real star map. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cirvol September 22nd, 2003 10:37 PM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/con...a/nearest.html

this pretty clearly shows that proxima centauri is closest... just like i said http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Kamog September 23rd, 2003 08:16 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
Thanks! Oh, I see... Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years away, and Alpha Centauri, which is a binary star, is 4.3 light years away...

The question is, which one does Centauri Prime orbit around? ... OK, it seems that it's neither. Centauri Prime is the third planet orbiting the star Centauris, which is about 70 light years away from Sol.

The inventor of the warp drive is Zephram Cochrane but is he from Alpha Centauri, or is he from Earth...this must be one of those Star Trek inconsistencies.

narf poit chez BOOM September 23rd, 2003 08:22 AM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
you mean like the 'enterprise' 'romul' i mean 'vulcan's'?

DavidG September 23rd, 2003 03:13 PM

Re: The REAL milky way galaxy map - sol @ centre ;)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamog:
Thanks! Oh, I see... Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years away, and Alpha Centauri, which is a binary star, is 4.3 light years away...

The question is, which one does Centauri Prime orbit around? ... OK, it seems that it's neither. Centauri Prime is the third planet orbiting the star Centauris, which is about 70 light years away from Sol.

The inventor of the warp drive is Zephram Cochrane but is he from Alpha Centauri, or is he from Earth...this must be one of those Star Trek inconsistencies.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't the Centauri system wich includes Alpha Centauri a trinary?

PS Zephram Cochrane is from Alpha Centauri. Don't listen to all the non cannon BS that came from TNG and later. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif


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