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PvK January 23rd, 2004 01:15 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Watch the replay. I expect you'd see your surviving gunship put the killing blow on 4 ships, and the PD ship finish 2 ships. The fleet experience is interesting, suggesting that you're more likely to get experience with a low-experience fleet, or when your own fleet takes losses.

PvK

Quote:

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
More confusion.

Just played my KOTH turn against Rollo. My totally unblooded baby fleet of 3 gun ships, 1 PD ship and a minesweeper against Rollo's 3 missile ships and a minelayer. Lost 2 gun ships and minesweeper to mines but the PD and one gunships were unharmed.

So:

GK fleet: 1 PD destroyer with 1 DUC and 9 PDC, 1 DUC destroyer with 5 DUC and 2 PDC
Rollo's force: 3 destroyers with 3 missile bays each, one minelayer unarmed

Three battles in this sector on the turn. Result: not a scratch to my force, all Rollo force destroyed.

Experience gained in this first ever battle for these ships:

Fleet 2%
PD ship 4%
DUC ship 2%

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I not getting smarter, I'm getting dumber!

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Grandpa Kim January 23rd, 2004 05:32 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Sorry PVK, there were only 4 ships in that fleet, so my best guess is the DUC ship killed 2, the PD ship killed 2 plus about 40 missiles. But where did the 2% fleet experience come from... especially in light of Primitive's post-- 39 kill 92 and get only 1%?

primitive January 24th, 2004 01:19 PM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Mystery resolved http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Bad news is it opens for a small exploit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Ask Aaron to fix it in the next patch or publish for everyone to use ?

Fyron January 25th, 2004 01:11 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
You would have to be a pretty low person to resort to such obvious bug exploitation.

Maerlyn January 25th, 2004 02:23 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
I vote for sending it to Aaron while keeping it secret. I guess that besides you noone knows this bug yet. so dont tell it to anyone, and dont exploit it yoursef http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

oleg January 25th, 2004 05:13 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You would have to be a pretty low person to resort to such obvious bug exploitation.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Whom do you accuse here ?? Maerlin' post was perfectly fine.

Asmala January 26th, 2004 05:11 PM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
I have bugged Aaron (few times) and I got better answers.

Ship experience
+1% for every kill
small amount for seekers, fighters, drones and satellites
none for troops and weapon platforms

Fleet experience
for each kill made by a ship in a fleet, there is a 25% chance that the fleet gets 0.1% experience

I don't know whether fleets get experience for destroying units but I've asked it of Aaron. No reply yet.

geoschmo January 26th, 2004 05:21 PM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Asmala:
Fleet experience
for each kill made by a ship in a fleet, there is a 25% chance that the fleet gets 0.1% experience

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well now, THIS explains a lot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif No wonder we were getting different results every time we ran our tests. For once he sticks a random element in the game and then doesn't tell anyone about it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Quote:

Originally posted by Asmala:
I don't know whether fleets get experience for destroying units but I've asked it of Aaron. No reply yet.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm gonna guess no. One of my tests had a fleet with plenty of PDC facing several ships with missles. While the ships gained individual experience at a slow rate, the fleet gained none. Even with it being only a 1 in 4 chance of getting any experience, with the number of missles my fleet destroyed I would think I would have seen something.

[ January 26, 2004, 15:24: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Asmala January 26th, 2004 09:16 PM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Looks like you're right Geo, Aaron said he believe only ships get experience from units.

Yeah that random indeed explains a lot. I made tests when I tried to figure out the fleet experience but I stopped when I got a different result with exactly same settings.

Fyron January 27th, 2004 12:39 AM

Re: Ship and fleet experience
 
Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
Whom do you accuse here ?? Maerlin' post was perfectly fine.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Noone has stated that they have exploited the bug, so noone was accused of anything. Anyone that decides to exploit the bug in a PBW game would be a pretty low person in my book. This, of course, is why you have the game host either explicitly allow or ban all of the known bug exploits.

[ January 26, 2004, 22:40: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]


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