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Aiken January 28th, 2004 05:06 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Where is nothing can stop you from nebula mining. But only for organics. I doubt that minerals and rads are so widespread in nebulas. The only exception - it was formed by supernova bLast. When about 10e-1 percent (approximately) of heavy elements could be found in such system.
Btw, is it possible to give new Ability for Storm 1,2,3 system, e.g. "Planet - Change Organics Value" or a kind of this?

[ January 28, 2004, 16:09: Message edited by: aiken ]

Karibu January 28th, 2004 05:22 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
It would be nice to make a storm which would change the atmosphere of a planet. I would like to surprise my enemy to change their oxygen planet into carbon dioxide and look them suffocate in one turn (when planet size for their race changes) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

This could actually be succesfull with only one ships, if there is no fighters and/or ships around a planet and you would put your "storm ship" into "Don't get hurt" battle plan. First, get into corner in battle and stay there, then change the planet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

oleg January 28th, 2004 05:36 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
- How long can a man stay in Space without suit ?
- Almost indefinetly.

Fyron January 28th, 2004 06:13 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Actually, if you have too much population on a planet, they do not suffocate, they just remain there. This can be seen by playing as a non-advanced storage techniques race and conquering a fully populated world of an advanced storage techniques race. Same thing happens with cargo and facilities. You can not add more until you remove enough to get something like 9/10 instead of 12/10.

Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
- How long can a man stay in Space without suit ?
- Almost indefinetly.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">- How long can a man stay alive in Space without a suit?
- Almost 10 seconds maybe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But it would be a very painful 10 seconds! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ January 28, 2004, 16:15: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Loser January 28th, 2004 06:41 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Is there an event that changes the atmosphere?

geoschmo January 28th, 2004 06:42 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by oleg:
- How long can a man stay in Space without suit ?
- Almost indefinetly.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">- How long can a man stay alive in Space without a suit?
- Almost 10 seconds maybe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But it would be a very painful 10 seconds! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually you can survive in a vacuum about as long as you can survive under water. A couple minutes, or more if you have decent lung capacity and can fight the natural urge to gasp for breath. The idea that you would blow up if pushed out an airlock is false. You can hold your breath. You will have damage from the extreme cold though. That alone would kill you eventually, but it would take a little longer then the lack of oxygen.

[ January 28, 2004, 16:44: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Baron Munchausen January 28th, 2004 07:37 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:


Nebula's are basically gasses being held in place by a gravitational force or other. These nebula can be pretty much any gas combination. So to turn this toward an SEIV topic, would it be possible to make a component that could use the inherent gasses of a nebula and convert them into energy for a ship or say stationary Starbase where a Q-reactor was not present?


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't know why not, and I've been requesting this since before the official release of SE IV. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Feel free to email MM and ask for it again. He might be press^H^H^H^H^ersuraded to add it into the final patch.

Baron Munchausen January 28th, 2004 07:43 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Actually you can survive in a vacuum about as long as you can survive under water. A couple minutes, or more if you have decent lung capacity and can fight the natural urge to gasp for breath. The idea that you would blow up if pushed out an airlock is false. You can hold your breath. You will have damage from the extreme cold though. That alone would kill you eventually, but it would take a little longer then the lack of oxygen.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You won't 'blow up' like a frog with an M80 in his mouth, but you will suffer damage from the pressure differential. Crew escaping from submarines are taught to exhale as they ascend or else their lungs will burst -- not 'explode' with a boom, but yes, actually burst from the excess pressure. The damage can be fatal even if they survive the ascent. I can't believe that someone tossed out of a spaecraft into hard vacuum wouldn't suffer similar damage. There is or was a special 'breathing device' issued to submarine crews to let them exhale & inhale while they ascend. It's just a pLastic thingy which can fit over your mouth & nose so you can breath into it. I suppose something like that would be impossible with space, since the pressure differential is far to great. You'd need a pressurized suit to be able to breath at all.

[ January 28, 2004, 17:45: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

geoschmo January 28th, 2004 07:43 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
You can mod it so you can get resources from a nebulae instead of supply. You could setup the quadrant types so that it places asteroids in every sector of the nebula system. You can then remote mine the asteroids, even though you can't see them.

This wont work for nebulae created during the game though.

geoschmo January 28th, 2004 07:58 PM

Re: Why is Space a Vacuum
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
You won't 'blow up' like a frog with an M80 in his mouth, but you will suffer damage from the pressure differential. Crew escaping from submarines are taught to exhale as they ascend or else their lungs will burst -- not 'explode' with a boom, but yes, actually burst from the excess pressure.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually from what sites I could google the damage from the pressure difference is slight. Although I was apparently incorrect about holding your breath. They say that might cause some lung tissue damage. I'm not sure how severe though. It might be worth losing some lung cells to hold your breath. If you can't hold your breath then you are looking at just a few seconds before unconciousness, although brain death will still take a couple minutes.

I was also wrong about freezing, since I forgot that vacuum is a very poor heat conductor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif In fact if exposed to sunlight you'd get a pretty bad sunburn in a relativly short amount of time. But if you are unconcious, and if noone was around to pull you in you'd stay that way permenantly, the burn wouldn't have much effect. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif


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