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I remember back in 1990 before Desert Storm happened that there were over 100 deaths of military people from various sorts of accidents. Then the war started, and you didn't hear too much of that because of the war casualties. But there was really stupid accidents that happened that I heard from my unit when they were over there. One guy was showing off some rocket propelled grenade when it went off and struck someone in their tent. Fortunately, that person survived, although he was messed up. So yeah, there can be some boneheaded accidents. But we need to support the troops over there now, and not make them feel like their idiots for being over there. And yes, we still are at war. It may not be an officially declared war, but they took the first shot by destroying the twin towers. It won't be over until we can wipe out this extreme form of religion.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Greg:
Huh, for your information: Your in the f**ing wrong country.

Is there really still people who believe Iraq was behind 9/11 ?

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The irony is that we've enabled the very forces that are most anti-american by invading Iraq.

[ May 18, 2004, 16:38: Message edited by: rextorres ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought that this war was against weapons off mass destruction (never found), and had nothing to do with 9-11 and Islam. But correct me if I'm wrong.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I believe it was Nova or some show on the History channel that connected the dots to Iraq. During the gulf war many Kuaties dissappeared only to return as new people. These people then moved to Afganastan and joined the Taliban and Aliquida. The new people were not the same people who dissappeared, but were in fact Iraqie secret police or intel operatives. Or so the show indicated. I found it to be very professional the way they discussed this and if it is accurate then yes, Iraq did have something to do with 9/11. Remember it was Iraq who planned to assinate G. Bush Sr. and had put a bounty on the heads of every American in the middle east. But that is old news.

In retrospect, I think it is plausable that Iraq did have something to do with 9/11 based upon the evidence provided, but how much they were in volved, well that we may never really know.

(Please for give my spelling.)

[ May 18, 2004, 23:35: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">God, I can't believe I just read this! That attitude is the exact same attitude that makes the "terrorists" think they have the right to wipe out all the "infidels". No one can say which religion has a right to exist, and which religions do not! Such an attitude of intolerance is simply wrong, and definitely contrary to the constitution of your own country! Does not your constitution guarantee a freedom of religion? Sure, if the religion is espousing violence, then that's wrong, but that's not what their religion promotes. (as far as I know....I could be wrong) A few fanatics are the ones who twist their beliefs to make them say what they want them to say.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the terrorist's actions, I'm simply saying that freedom of religion is as important a right as freedom of speech. If we don't believe that, then we end up with a situation like WWII and the Jews. And none of us wants that.

I'm sorry for criticizing your opinion, but I have to say I do not at all agree with it, and I could not sit by and not voice my opinion.

[ May 19, 2004, 00:15: Message edited by: Renegade 13 ]

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Its always about the Jews... what about the dozens of other instances of genocide in the 20th century? For example, millions of Armenians were slaughtered sometime around 1920 or so... the Jews are nothing special or unique. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because of great PR made of it.

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I simply mentioned the Jews because it is the most well known example of genocide. Of course there are lots more! Lets see how many I can come up with:

- Hutu's and the Tutsi's (Rwanda I think)(spelling)
- The former Zaire had something like that a few years back
- The Kurds in Iraq

And the list just goes on and on and ....

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Atrocities, the Iraq didn't support Al Quiada as far as it is known. It did not sent military police to Kuwait and then to Afghanistan. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and they were born there, no secret behind that one. It did pay money to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers, that is the only thing true behind the report.