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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I must confess that I'm not that interested in pre-teen stuff for playstation II (I suspect that your reference derive from this).

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">you asked for reference (in 'colorful' language I would say) about Germanic heavy infantry. You got some with the Teutonic knights. period.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So what? It is not as if only the germans were crushed by the Huns. Can I remind you that it asked for a coalition of rome and barbarians forces to stop them? It does prove nothing about the supposed weakness of german tribes (I'm in no way affiliated with German people btw, so I'm not biased). The point remains that Germanic tribes held in check Rome. Also I urge you to see who migrated and where before the Great Invasions, and you will see that many people were germans. So, yes I stand my point that germanic tribes were amongst the most ferocious so called barbarians in ancient time.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If the point was "does Ulm = Germany?", I'd say the closest thing to Ulmish steel plate in history was the Maximilian-style (ie, "German") full plate of the early XVIth century. And I'd like to think of my Ulmish infantry as landsknechts.

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The name Ulm (it is a place in Germany) and all the German names on commanders also speak for the "Ulm=Germany". I realised that Ulm=Germany the first time i played the game...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, nothing personal, just a little history lesson. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Look it's the tone. I consider anything as "getting personal" when people decide to slam someone when making a point. I have seen that done several times recently, and there's no reason why adults should do that when discussin issues with other adults.

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Hey I dont think that the Germans were ferocious barbarians. I always tought that the most dreaded barbarians were the Huns, Vikings and Mongols..
The most cruel barbarians were the Huns, that is for sure, I read some insane stuff about them! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If the point was "does Ulm = Germany?", I'd say the closest thing to Ulmish steel plate in history was the Maximilian-style (ie, "German") full plate of the early XVIth century. And I'd like to think of my Ulmish infantry as landsknechts.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I agree too on that, Ulm infantry is very close to the Lansquenets (ok landsknechts) regiments. They were mainly mercenaries german though (except before 1500), and I have yet too see a merc company of Guardians (that would be cool!), but their weapons (long pikes 15' to 18', or big, very big two handed sword sometime) and armor fit very well into the Ulm theme.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">it is somehow a judgment call anyway (your, mine, and some others best not named) so we can keep our opinions. Still, Varus would disagree with you. He lost 3 legions in the black forest against Germans. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Also ask yourself why Rome maintained along the Rhine a strong defence (lime) hundred of kilometers long. See also where were stationed the legions (mainly along the rhine and danube). Germans were perhaps not the *ferociest* (if ferocity can be measured!) people in the world, but still it posed a threat to Rome during several centuries, and at the peak of his power. To dismiss them like a band of puppies would be unfair http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
C.A.G.T.F.W *

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Commitee for the aknowledgment of germans tribe as ferocious warriors.

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Germanic tribes were warlike barbarians, just like many other minor/major tribes in those times, like the Huns, Scythians, Vandals etc.

Germans had a nice military power in the middle ages, so I do not know, that what are we talking about at all.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Methinks you give very short shrift to Arabian equestrians with this suggestion...

E. Albright

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I dunno nuttin about silly barbarian hoards, but I do know that the Tiger II was the greatest tank of its time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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PS. The Challenger is a lump of @#$#@$ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

PPS. Tanks r001z0r5!!!!

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