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Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Back to the subject, it reminds me of bumper sticker that I saw:

Kill The Beaver, Save The Trees!

(sorry, could not resist http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif )

[ July 13, 2004, 21:52: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Quote:

Originally posted by Norfleet:
It would appear that this has been changed, then, since I very clearly remember ending up with 150 FR through the Charcoal shield + Fire Ring combo. It no longer goes past 100? That would suggest that it's now impossible.

Norfleet, I pronounce YOU the MASTER!

There are at least a couple bugs here, guys.

Dragon Helmet alone = 50% FR
Charcoal Shield alone = 50% FR
Ring of Fire alone = 100% FR
Burning Pearl alone = 100% FR

Charcoal Shield + Dragon Helmet = 50% FR. [50% low]

Charcoal Shield + Burning Pearl = 100% FR. [Correct if Burning Pearl truly gives "partial" protection, i.e. 50% FR]

Burning Pearl + Dragon Helmet = 100% [Correct if Burning Pearl gives 50% FR]

Dragon Helment + Ring of Fire = 150% [Correct]

Charcoal Shield + Ring of Fire = 150% FR. [Correct]

Ring of Fire + Burning Pearl = 200% FR. [50% high, if Burning Pearl gives 50% FR]

In my previous testing, I was using the Burning Pearl, assuming it gave 100% FR.

Bug #1: I can see why Norfleet was proposing a theory that you can't have two FR's of the same % add -- that would explain the Dragon Helmet + Charcoal Shield result. I'll check various combinations for this later to verify.

Bug #2: Burning Pearl is sometimes worth 50% FR and sometimes worth 100% FR. Bizzarro!

I wouldn't have found this without your specific comment about Charcoal Shield and Ring of Fire, Norfleet. I didn't think it would work at all and was flabbergasted when it did provide the right amount of FR. I had been using the Burning Pearl for that extra +4 attack and thus my error. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Quote:

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
That's not the experience I had, where I tried to stack a firebrand with a charcoal shield in attempt to attain 100 resistance, which didn't affect anything. Are you sure this works? Unless this was changed in the recent patch, past experience says that this wouldn't work...

Graeme is right about this. You can stack two 50%'s and get to 100%. <hr /></blockquote>BTW, my test "confirming" this was Burning Pearl + Dragon Helmet. Now it looks like Norfleet was right, Graeme -- since Burning Pearl is bugged.

For example, Hell Sword (50% FR) + Dragon Helmet (50% FR) = 50% FR [50% too low]

[ July 13, 2004, 12:51: Message edited by: Inigo Montoya ]

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Here is my understanding of the Fire Resistance Bug:

Burning Pearl is worth 100% FR.
Ring of Fire is worth 100% FR.
Red Dragon Scale Mail is worth 75% FR.
Elemental Armor is worth 50% FR (as well as 50% CR and 50% SR).
Three of these items work correctly. All will add FR to each other. Burning Pearl has an additional bug, see below.

The following items will offer 50% FR individually, but will add no additional FR if added to any other one of these items ["Norfleet's rule" = two or more 50%'s will add nothing -- with the strange exception of Elemental Armor, above]:
Fire Brand
Flambeau
Dragon Helmet
Charcoal Shield
Fire Plate
Staff of Elemental Mastery
Sword of Justice
Ember
Rober of Callius
Amon Hotep

If any of these items are paired with Burning Pearl, they will add nothing -- another strange quirk.

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[ July 14, 2004, 03:38: Message edited by: Inigo Montoya ]

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

God help me.

This is so confusing.

I thought Elemental Armor was supposed to offer 100% immunity for Fire, Cold, and Shock.

But my testing shows 50%...

Thoughts?

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Elemental Armor was reduced to 50% like the Spell Elemental Fortitude for the sake of balance, not allowing a single piece of armor to protect you from every element.

Elemental Resistances on Armor types do not stack if they are the same type if it's from an Item, however, if the Item's resistances are not coded to a spell the spell will stack with the Item.

The Burning Pearl is wonky. If you have some inconsistancies with it, it's because it's bugged.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Quote:

Originally posted by Zen:
Elemental Armor was reduced to 50% like the Spell Elemental Fortitude for the sake of balance, not allowing a single piece of armor to protect you from every element.

Elemental Resistances on Armor types do not stack if they are the same type if it's from an Item, however, if the Item's resistances are not coded to a spell the spell will stack with the Item.

The Burning Pearl is wonky. If you have some inconsistancies with it, it's because it's bugged.

Yeah, you have summed it up nicely, Zen. Time to update your excellent item stat reference. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

You make an interesting point about item resistances on armor [edit: and weapons] not stacking (distinguishing item resistances from miscellaneous slots). This doesn't hold true for Red Dragon Scale Mail or for Elemental Armor though.

But essentially, resistance is currently working as designed, eh?

[ July 15, 2004, 03:11: Message edited by: Inigo Montoya ]