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Heh, how does that work?

Apprentice base cost 150 gold, upkeep 150/15 = 10 per turn
Demonbred base cost 260 gold, upkeep 260/30 = 8.666 per turn.

Purchase price difference = 110 gold
Upkeep price difference = 10 - 8.666 = 1.334

Should take 80 turns to make up the difference, no?

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Fire immune, superhuman stats, high MR, high morale, heat radiation. They have morningstars which are the best general purpose weapon available. They can also easily afford productivity 3 to make large numbers of troops.

You shouldn't. Fire-9 blessed lava warriors will eat fire-9 blessed Mictlan troops for breakfast. A simple simulation shows that they win 99% of the time.

Jotunheim and Abysia have equal quality troops. The heat radiation and superior numbers mean that they can survive quite well. Ulmish troops are definetly inferior. They have fewer stats, less MR, aren't fire immune, and don't radiate heat. Abysian troops will win even at half the numbers. Marignon troops also suffer from the same problems dealing with Abysian troops. Einheres are also about the same as Abysian troops, and only a very expensive blessing will make Van's and Valkyries equal to Abysian troops when you spend the same amount of gold on them.

Which doesn't matter when you are invading someone else.

And most of Jotunheim's cost 30 gold and 38 resources. Both require productivity to make sufficient numbers.

Sure they can, but those flaming arrows don't do anything to abysian troops.

Actually, you definetly do need to explain this, since any experience would show you that giants and Abysian infantry are ramarkably evenly matched.

For the same cost, without an enormous blessing, abysian troops will defeat Van troops.

Mictlan's troops cannot stand up to Abysia's. They will end up on fire, and don't have weapons that can penetrate a protection of 18 with any regularity.

The only two nations that doesn't get a castle by default is Mictlan and R'lyeh. From there I decide whether I want a wizard's tower for nations like Pythium, or a hill fortress for nations like Miasma C'Tis.

Well, first off, you don't use a watchtower, you use a castle and productivity 3. You alchemize your fire gems early to keep your troop production high.

They have a morale of 11 and have access to holy 4 priests. There's no morale problem there.

Yes, it works with all missile weapons.

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You think that Ulm, Pangaea, and Marignon have better troops than Abysia? According to whom? Tom Clancy??? Unless you're talking vampires (Ulm theme) or carrion critters (Carrion Woods Pan), I'm thinking that you aren't eating enough fish. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ( Marignon's KotC are capital only, incredibly expensive, and thus the fact they may be superior 1 for 1 to Abysia's troops doesn't matter. )

Flood and flame, no kidding that with a watchtower you aren't going to get many a turn, especially if you're playing heavy sloth, which I'm guessing you are. If you want a lot of Abysia's decent national troops, you don't take much sloth (if any), and you take a decent castle admin-wise.

Or you take some sloth, take a 30-40 admin castle, and build castles strategically, to maximize production. But the bottom line is, just like many other nations with good but resource heavy troops - you decide before the game starts whether you want to use those good troops, or not.

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Ok if you use a castle or similiar you may have bigger numbers . But how do you defend your bloodhunters then early-midgame ?
At least they will waste hordes of slaves they gathered to cast imps and you will lose your bloodhunters often .

I haven't seen this yet but i guess a typical caelum drop in with a few archers as decoy + false horror spamming wins even if your bloodmages summon a few imps .

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Nice to see you up and about Boron! You slept, what, four, five hours? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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4,5 hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Now taking my turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I enjoy atm being the Last or 2nd Last guy this way i can always do 2 turns in a row http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Eh, no one's replied to me, so I suppose I'm right? So, again, why use the demonbred instead of a plain warlock apprentice? Okay, I've just realized that warlock apprentices are capital only as well, so arguably demonbreds can fly to new bloodhunting grounds faster, but still 110 gold difference is awfully large. I think I prefer to spend it on two Lava Warriors.

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I tried to answer that about 5 Posts ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Warlock apprentices are really good too . If i have enough money i build a demonbred . If i lack money i built a warlock apprentice instead .

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I don't play Mictlan much but rather Abysia : usually I put 3-4 hunters w/SDR and no patrol, and it works fine, except for some temporary unrest peaks.
I'm reluctant to patrol due to pop loss and the fact that unrest isn't a real problem for bloodhunting before it reaches approx 40 (10% chance it foils the hunt).

Even with my poor Mictlan experience I can't see how it can be more efficient at bloodhunting than Abysia BoH, sacred 100 gold B1 sacred mages recruitable everywhere, sacrifice possible but in addition to normal temple dominion, they get every advantage possible ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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PDF Graeme said that sacrificing for Blood cancels the normal temple check .
I were your opinion but Graeme's points against it were really good . But you are a more experienced dominionplayer than i iirc you played even dominion 1 so here Graeme's main points perhaps you find something i overlooked and Graeme has forgotten http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif