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Daynarr October 16th, 2004 03:05 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
Lol, ok. Lets give BoT proper burial. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Just a question - who is Albert von Ulm in your signiture? A name you give to your (Ulm) pretender?

Tuna October 16th, 2004 05:54 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
Albert Einstein was born in Ulm, a German city.

One of the quotes he's famous of is "Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the Old One. I, at any rate, am convinced that he does not throw dice,", or shortened, "God does not play dice."

I love what något has done to it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

alexti October 16th, 2004 07:17 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
At what phase of the turn the globals come into effect and when do they disappear?

For example, casting sequence is:
Mage A casts Astral Corruption
Mage B casts something.

Does Mage B risk to be attacked?

Another sequence:
Mage A dispels (successfully) Astral Corruption
Mage B casts something.

Does Mage B risk to be attacked?

Daynarr October 16th, 2004 07:40 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
That’s a good question. I would like to know the answer too.

archaeolept October 16th, 2004 09:12 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
well, you get the effects of a global, for instance gems, on the same turn they are cast, so that would argue for "after" spells.

Peter Ebbesen October 16th, 2004 09:16 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
IIRC, it has been stated earlier by the developers that rituals take place in a completely random order. (I.e. all rituals are queued, the order is randomized, and they are carried out one by one). As such, if mage A casts Astral Corruption and mage B casts another spell, it is random who goes first and mage B may, indeed, find himself at risk. Depending on algorithm (:D), mage B should have about 50% chance of mage A acting before himself. Same goes for for Astral Corruption is up, mage A dispels it, mage B casts another spell - again, either A or B may go first at random.

Peter Ebbesen October 16th, 2004 09:20 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
Quote:

archaeolept said:
well, you get the effects of a global, for instance gems, on the same turn they are cast, so that would argue for "after" spells.

I suggest you read page 3 of your manual. The relevant information, which every player should know by heart (:D), is as follows.

Resolutions phases:
RECRUIT
RESEARCH
EMPOWERMENT
FORGE
RITUALS <--- Your global enchantment is cast here
MAGIC BATTLES
SEARCH
PRAYERS
BLOOD HUNT
LUCK
ASSASSINATIONS
FRIENDLY MOVEMENT
MOVE BATTLES
STORM CASTLE
ENCHANTMENTS <---- Your global enchantment works here
MAGIC ITEMS
SNEAK
BUILD
SPECIAL ORDERS
INCOME
STARVATION
UPKEEP
DOMINION
SITE EFFECTS
HEAL
MERCS
SCOUTING

archaeolept October 16th, 2004 09:46 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
which is exactly what i said, I believe, though in a much less long-winded manner.

alexti October 16th, 2004 10:16 PM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
Quote:

Peter Ebbesen said:
Quote:

archaeolept said:
well, you get the effects of a global, for instance gems, on the same turn they are cast, so that would argue for "after" spells.

I suggest you read page 3 of your manual. The relevant information, which every player should know by heart (:D), is as follows.

Resolutions phases:
RECRUIT
RESEARCH
EMPOWERMENT
FORGE
RITUALS <--- Your global enchantment is cast here
MAGIC BATTLES
SEARCH
PRAYERS
BLOOD HUNT
LUCK
ASSASSINATIONS
FRIENDLY MOVEMENT
MOVE BATTLES
STORM CASTLE
ENCHANTMENTS <---- Your global enchantment works here
MAGIC ITEMS
SNEAK
BUILD
SPECIAL ORDERS
INCOME
STARVATION
UPKEEP
DOMINION
SITE EFFECTS
HEAL
MERCS
SCOUTING

Then in the case of Astral Corruption, when the battle is resolved? During Enchancement phase? There's no other battle phase in the same turn, so it's either then or the unit is marked to be attacked the next turn. Or is it resolved during magic battles phase, but only if GE is in effect?

Kristoffer O October 17th, 2004 08:39 AM

Re: Global spell tactics ?
 
Attacks from horrors during Astral Corruption are not enchantments. They are probably activated under rituals and forging as it is rituals and forgings that attracts them.


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