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I find the Revenant to be a very useful summon in high Magic dominions. They can be summoned relatively cheaply to add a great deal to your research bar without the single commander per state per round limit and they don't require maintainance gold. Spectres are better, but that's no 3rd level 2D summon.

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Hmm... Does anyone know exactly which summons benefit from Golem Cult? Is it all earth summons, or just like a specific list, or all magic being + lifeless summons or something like that?

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Hey thanks.
It is as I feared for 90% of the summons, then.

NERF! NERF!!!
(Heheh.)

No, but seriously, it is something to consider for dom3.

PvK, do you think you could post (or send me) your Mod, I would greatly be interested in it. Thanks!

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I would prefer to see lame spells (including most lower level summons) improved instead of good spells nerfed. Even before I knew what the higher level summons were, I would read the descriptions of most of the lower level summons and wonder why I would ever waste a mage's time with those spells.

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[rant]
That is what I don't understand about the people on this forum. If you nerf the good summons or improve the lousy ones the result is almost the same. In fact, the only real difference is that by nerfing the good ones you are also making national troops better, which is a very good thing, whereas if you improve the weaker ones, national troops just become more useless than they already are... I guess people are just scared of the word 'nerf'; Zen is over there balancing the game by improving weak summons and everyone loves it, but let someone suggest nerfing something overpowered, like devils, and they get ripped for it.
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It's not the same. I told you that before I had even seen an ice devil or a wraith lord in action, I thought that lower level summons bit the big one. It is not a comparison issue for me. Many of the spells are lame, in and of themselves. If all spells become that lame, I will find another game.

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As Mictlan, I used them to express-ferry blood slaves. Adds speed and reduces micromanagement.

PvK

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As for saving gems for higher level summoning spells, I try to do this as much as I can.

Earth - Mechanical men are vastly superior to clockwork horrors as well as pretty much any other earth summons. You can't always wait for this, as your neighbors often times interrupt grand plans!

Death - The death summons are so very powerful at the higher levels, that I also like to hoard those for a rainy day. Unless you consider Bane Lords to be a lower level summons, as I tend to use that one a lot. Black Servents are very good for fever fetishes, clams, and exploring.

Water - Not very useful for summons. I suppose getting the sea troll kings is done just for the one water gem income per turn and the attached water skill to build clams. That hardly counts, though, for the goal is usally clams and not troops here. The sea trolls themselves are useful fodder, of course, but the fact that you have to pay them upkeep renders them practically useless.

Nature - pretty much everybody I know uses the ivy crown for monthly ritual vine ogres, one of the best bargain summoned troop in the game. Later, the fairy queens are good for the healing ability.

Air - I usually save up the 45 gems for draconians. The leaders can summon more, which is very nice. And they fly, which is a HUGE bonus. The hawks have the gigantic disadvantage that you have to pay them upkeep.

Fire - I don't summon fire much, for the gems are typically better used to convert to money for buying more mages.

Blood - Devils, devils, and more devils. Is there a better low-level summoned troop for the gem cost than a devil? I don't really know of one. Oh, and the ice devils and arch devils too. They are still devils, though. Don't foget soul contracts also, if your neighbors leave you alone.

Astral - Are there any astral summons worth casting other than those high-level abominations that require 25 gems? I don't really know of any.

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Actually the living statues can be almost as good and perhaps better *if* you don't expect constant wrathful skies.

In my mind they are the best price/performers in the game even including devils.

Hmm never really thought much about these. But if the head draconian can summon allies then the spell becomes much more attractive!

I would have to say Vine Ogres are a better buy taking cost into effect, unless ...

Well soul contacts totally change the economics of summoning devils. It takes what, 8.5 turns to break even on a soul contract ( assuming hammer )? More if you have a construction site ( which is much more common than a blood site ). You also needen't burn caster turns summoning the things anymore. They are the best buy in the game (yes, devils bought via contract are better than Vine Ogres, IMO ).

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I summon the Angelic host for the fire mage, who with a little work is some really heavy artillery, and is reasonably tough. The other high level astral summon, Ether Gate gets you another excellent mage, who often has good SC potential. Also, when you consider the high armor and etearealness of the ether warriors, they aren't all that expensive gem for gem.