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lch May 28th, 2007 09:23 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
Nice map there vfb.

Foodstamp, we're not playing American Football. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Lingchih May 28th, 2007 09:45 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
Quote:

Foodstamp said:


This is the pattern I normally use when placing my units.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ARP/ARP112/Ftb_Play.jpg

That looks like a Hook and Go pattern. How exactly do I script that?

vfb May 28th, 2007 09:55 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
Quote:

lch said:
Nice map there vfb.

Thanks, but I'm not sure it's 100% accurate. PvK thinks the zones are incorrect. I created one army with 4 commanders in the corners to determine the standard starting area, and then a 4000 unit army to see what happened in that case. From there I just counted the grids on the battle map.

PvK May 29th, 2007 02:54 AM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
The grid is more like 58 wide by 28 deep. If the default placement spots are both filled to 4x4, then there are 26 squares between them. I think if you place a commander on the back edge, he starts out in the very rearmost square, or close to it.

vfb May 29th, 2007 04:10 AM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
I've got 26 squares in the neutral zone, that's the yellow/black striped area.

I've got the 'startable' areas as 28 by 28, growing to 38 by 54. Should the max be 38 by 58 instead?

I know what you're talking about in respect to starting at the back edge. It seems commanders there don't have to run 10 full squares as I have it, when they retreat. But I have seen enemy flyers surround a commander on the back edge. I'll have to test it again.

MaxWilson May 29th, 2007 01:44 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
And of course it's possible to move off the edge of the grid, e.g. when being trampled, and then the tramplers pursue off the grid too.

-Max

malthaussen November 20th, 2007 08:48 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
If having two bodyguards is effective, why not ten? Ten of your cheapest brand of troop, since the idea is to soak up ranged attacks, not to fight. Most mages, I daresay, cost more than ten chaff troops.

-- Mal

llamabeast November 20th, 2007 09:55 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
The idea is to fill up the square of the commander being guarded. Two bodyguards will do that just as well as ten.

NTJedi November 20th, 2007 10:55 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
Quote:

vfb said:
I think the grid is this size, please correct me if this is wrong.
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The battlefield grid actually grows depending on the size of the attacking and defending army.

Edratman November 21st, 2007 02:32 PM

Re: The Art of Placement
 
One thing I have noticed and haven't seen mentioned is that single unit spells (paralyze, soul slay, eg)seem to preferentially target by size, ie, the size 5 and 6 creatures are targeted first, regardless of placement on the battlefield. They don't seem to pick out commanders per se, just the largest units on the field.

Because of repeated losses I stopped using SC pretenders against anything but indies. I also try to change spell scripts from single unit spells to AOE spells if scouting reports do not indicate large commanders or troops. No pleasure like soul slaying a slinger (say that fast 3 times).


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