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kasnavada April 4th, 2008 09:10 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
About maenad generation : I did one test in another thread about EA pangaea (it is referenced in the strategy index) and found out the ratio for maenad generation between order 3 and turmoil 3 is 3 to 1. That is, you generate 3 times more maenads with turmoil 3 than with order 3.

I haven't made the test for order / turmoil 0.

Renojustin April 4th, 2008 09:13 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
It seems kind of odd... I used to take Order 3 with Pangaea just to AVOID the Maenads. In that game, I remember that I got very, very few Maenads, and only when my Pans wandered out of my Dominion. Are you sure that Pans generate them at all in an Order dominion?

Edit: Just played 10 turns with about 6-7 Pans and didn't get a single Maenad in EA with Order 3. Looks like Pans don't generate Maenads without Turmoil.

kasnavada April 4th, 2008 09:25 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
I did the test for 30 turns and using the lord of the wild in EA. It seems pans behave differently. In that case, sorry for being misleading.

Kristoffer O April 4th, 2008 09:59 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
I think it depends on both turmoil/order and dominion in the province. Thus the lord of the wild will likely produce more of them since he will often have a nice dominion where he resides.

Renojustin April 4th, 2008 10:27 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
Interesting... now I have to somehow add in high dominion with a well-magicked Gorgon to get the best of all worlds with EA/MA Pangaea.

I never thought Pangaea needed much in the way of dominion strength - between its excellent Dryad priests and 200 gp temples - but here's a great reason to work it in. Or you could just start with a lowish one, then generate Maenads at an exponential rate as your Pans start to pile up, combined with the dominion bonus from extra temples being constantly built.

kasnavada April 4th, 2008 10:32 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
Yup. But a dom10 E9N4 gorgon looks much more powerful now than before.

I'll run a few tests once I come back home to see the effect of dominion and scales on pans.

Renojustin April 4th, 2008 10:36 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
Order 3, Luck 3, Dominion 10 = no Maenads. So it definitely seems as if you MUST have Turmoil (and alcohol) to make naked women.

Sombre April 4th, 2008 11:18 AM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
Did you try that with Lord of the Wild though? Maybe he just domsummons maenads rather than turmoilsummoning them?

kasnavada April 4th, 2008 02:24 PM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
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Hum, I'm unlucky or something. I ran 5 tests with the following common parameters :
- monolith god.
- buying a pan a turn until I get 5 when the nature gem count goes to 25
- stopping the test when it hits 100.

Here are more detailled results :
Test 2 : 473 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 10 turmoil 3 monolith
Test 3 : 598 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 5 turmoil 3 monolith.
Test 4 : 471 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 10 turmoil 3 monolith (forest + farmland has no effect ?),
Test 5 : 464 maenads, 4 pans bought (short on money...), dom 5 turmoil 3 monolith.

Now, I've got no problem with those results if they are intended. From KO's comment it would seem it's intended to be the opposite ?

Second series of tests : lord of the wild. All default, stopped when the nature gem counter hit 100.
Test 6 : 148 maenads, 3 turmoil, 5 dom.
Test 7 : 200 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom (in a forest).
Test 8 : 179 maenads, 3 turmoil, 5 dom.
Test 9 : 138 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom.
Test 10 : 0 maenads, 3 order, 5 dom.
Test 11 : 216 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom (in a forest).
Test 12 : 135 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom.
Test 13 : 0 maenads, 3 order, 5 dom (in a forest).

Errr. My earlier test was version 1.14 though, something changed ?

Well, it would seem that :
- pans and lord of the wild don't seem to have the same mechanics behind them ? Not sure how forest affect pans.
- I confirm renojustin's test. Order 3 = no maenads with pans, nor lord of the wild. Something changed with 1.14 ? I was pretty sure that I got some during my last test... well.
- pans generate more maenads when dominion is lower ?!?
- lord of the wild is affected strongly by forests.

Attached : the tests.

Renojustin April 4th, 2008 05:15 PM

Re: New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage,
 
Nice tests Kas. I have the information I need for min/maxed pretenders for EA and MA Pangaea now.

I believe that the only thing affecting Maenad generation is Turmoil.


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