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Mind Elemental September 28th, 2008 03:53 AM

Re: Guiding Jomon
 
Having just won an MP game as Jomon with an A4E4 imprisoned Celestial General (very similar to the recommended build), I thought I'd bump this and add two things that were vital for me:

1: Rain of Stones. This is huge. The OP mentioned its use by the pretender - but this is where Jomon's magical diversity comes in useful. It's only E3A1. Slightly more than one in every four master shugenja will have E1A1. A pair of earth boots takes that to E2A1. Summon Earthpower then gives E3A1 - and if you have gems to burn, the shugenja can boost himself to E4A1 for repeat casts. With this, one in four of your cheap, buildable-anywhere mages can slaughter dozens of enemy mages and rout an entire army by himself. An A2 shugenja can mistform himself or Cloud Trapeze, and if by some chance you can cast Fog Warriors, you can now use this in conjunction with armies.

2: Indy crossbowmen. In the LA, indy crossbow provinces are abundant. If you went with good Order/Production scales, or place your other fortresses carefully, you can recruit huge forces of crossbowmen to supplement or replace samurai archers. If you have a F2 mage cast flaming arrows, you can now rival Marignon in a shoot-out.

chrispedersen October 17th, 2008 06:56 PM

Re: Guiding Jomon
 
It seems to me that Gift of Flight might be the critical short term goal for Jomon. Support your infantry with mages, and have them attack rear quickly...

Poopsi October 17th, 2008 07:56 PM

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Tifone - I wouldn't want to spend much on kit for assassins: you have other priorities for your gems. However, an ethereal crossbow or a bow of war can be pretty deadly with a prec. of 14, and both of them are only 5 gems (3 with a dwarven hammer). Of course both of these are Construction 6. Before that your best bet is probably Longbow of Accuracy.
If you have a death pretender, why not summon some revenants and have them craft skull talismans for your assasins? It´s not like those are ultimate weapons, but they do work fairly well

vfb October 17th, 2008 08:43 PM

Re: Guiding Jomon
 
I made a bear claw to get extra range and damage on the shuriken. But for some reason ninjas with a bear claw decide to melee instead of throwing the shuriken first.

Further testing: placing the ninja all the way to the left with fire orders and giving him a bear claw works pretty well! Not exactly the most efficient use of gems, but good for some fun.

sum1lost October 17th, 2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vfb (Post 646476)
I made a bear claw to get extra range and damage on the shuriken. But for some reason ninjas with a bear claw decide to melee instead of throwing the shuriken first.

Further testing: placing the ninja all the way to the left with fire orders and giving him a bear claw works pretty well! Not exactly the most efficient use of gems, but good for some fun.

Why not boots of giant strength?

vfb October 17th, 2008 09:34 PM

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Sure, but they need const2. You can build a bear claw at turn 5, or earlier if you get gem events.

I suppose it could be worth it for Jomon to research const2 first, if you want to set up an early fetish factory.

Makinus April 22nd, 2010 07:59 AM

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Necromanthic post:

I know that this thread is very old, but instead of creating a new one i think that i would post here my recent experiences with Jomon.

I think i found a good strategy to, in the early game, compensate for the weak jomon defense against archers:

Recruit Monks of the Fivefold paths and use the ones with Air magic to protect your troops. The special spell of the Air monk protect the troops from missiles (beyond giving a small bost in morale) so park 2 or 3 of these monks behind your troops casting the "sign"...

Sombre April 22nd, 2010 08:24 AM

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The issue is that just to have 2 or 3 of these monks, which is only enough to cover one army, you need to have recruited a lot of the buggers. And generally they aren't that great.

Baalz April 22nd, 2010 08:56 AM

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Jomon got a bunch of new units in a patch that significantly open up their flexibility. They're a pretty powerful underwater nation now including underwater PD which is pretty rare, and they've got several different land summons that really change how they play (in a good way)

Pablomatic April 23rd, 2010 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Baalz (Post 741719)
Jomon got a bunch of new units in a patch that significantly open up their flexibility. They're a pretty powerful underwater nation now including underwater PD which is pretty rare, and they've got several different land summons that really change how they play (in a good way)

I'm anxiously awaiting the Baalz guide to Jomon! I really want to hear what your devious use of the sacred dragon mages jomon can recruit underwater.


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